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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 11:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I used to have a passive scrund about the police & I bet some of you still have it. What is it? (A passive scrund is a scrund you've never really thought about--just a misconception you've taken for granted was true.)
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Does this apply to the police in the USA only?

Did the scrund concern any of the following: becoming a police officer? police work? police hierarchy? who can give orders to the police? whom the police must tell about their work? police funding? history of the police? police uniforms? rights the police have?

Relevant how you discovered you had that scrund? Did you read something? hear something? see somthing? that made you realise you had it?
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Does it concern male officers only? females only? younger ones? older ones? does race make a difference?

coffee and donuts involved? (or doughnuts, as I tend to miss out half the letters like most every other American would...)

police ranks? (bear in mind, my best friend who works for the police is *British*, so they may be different...)

constable? sergeant? lieutenant? (in no particular order)
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Is it about something police: can do? Can say? Can't do? Or say? Has to do? Or say? Interaction between police and the general public relevant? Police and criminals? Police and politicians?
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Doriana (Doriana)
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Does this apply to the police in the USA only?

Did the scrund concern any of the following: becoming a police officer? nopolice work? yespolice hierarchy? no who can give orders to the police? nowhom the police must tell about their work? no police funding? nohistory of the police? no police uniforms? norights the police have? yes

Relevant how you discovered you had that scrund? no Did you read something? hear something? see somthing? that made you realise you had it? In fact, I learned it from my usual source--the TV series "Law & Order"
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Does it concern male officers only? females only? younger ones? older ones? does race make a difference? It concerns all police officres equally

coffee and donuts involved? no(or doughnuts, as I tend to miss out half the letters like most every other American would...)

police ranks? no (bear in mind, my best friend who works for the police is *British*, so they may be different...)

constable? sergeant? lieutenant? (in no particular order) ranks are irrel
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Is it about something police: can do? yes Can say? yesCan't do? noOr say? noHas to do? no Or say? no Interaction between police and the general public relevant? yope or noish Police and criminals? yes Police and politicians? no
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You missed this question: Does this apply to the police in the USA only?

Did you think the police were allowed to do/say something but in fact they aren't? Or the other way round?

Is racism relevant? Being allowed to insult people? to critisize people? to apply force? questioning people? arresting people?
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"Miranda warning"? (aka "police caution")? (Some version of "you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law." etc.)
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You missed this question: Does this apply to the police in the USA only? I don't know

Did you think the police were allowed to do/say something but in fact they aren't? no Or the other way round? yes

Is racism relevant? noBeing allowed to insult people? no to critisize people? noto apply force? no questioning people? relevantarresting people? no
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"Miranda warning"? (aka "police caution")? (Some version of "you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law." etc.) irrel
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Did you think the police had to tell a suspect that they were being interrogated? That they couldn't just sat they were "interviewing" said suspect?
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Twilight, I'm pretty sure they do. Or at least it would be obvious when they read them their Miranda rights.

Is it that if they're undercover and someone asks if they're a cop, they don't have to say they are? And you thought they did? Or does it concern the fact that you don't have to be under arrest to be questioned? And that you similarly don't have to be under arrest to have your Miranda rights read to you, and that just because you are being placed under arrest doesn't necessarily mean they will read you your Miranda rights, since if they're not questioning you they won't sometimes, although they probably will in case you confess unsolicitedly.
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Did you think the police had to tell a suspect that they were being interrogated? irrel That they couldn't just sat they were "interviewing" said suspect? no
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Twilight, I'm pretty sure they do. Or at least it would be obvious when they read them their Miranda rights.

Is it that if they're undercover and someone asks if they're a cop, they don't have to say they are? you're ORT And you thought they did? ditto Or does it concern the fact that you don't have to be under arrest to be questioned? no And that you similarly don't have to be under arrest to have your Miranda rights read to you, and that just because you are being placed under arrest doesn't necessarily mean they will read you your Miranda rights, since if they're not questioning you they won't sometimes, although they probably will in case you confess unsolicitedly. no
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so is being undercover relevant, then? Or maybe off duty?
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so is being undercover relevant, then? no Or maybe off duty? no
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Police telling a lie relevant? How they identify themselves as police? Or when? Police badge relevant? Other ID? Other object?
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is it about being allowed to lie?
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Police telling a lie relevant? yesHow they identify themselves as police? no Or when? noPolice badge relevant? noOther ID? no Other object? no

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is it about being allowed to lie? yes

****SPOIILER **********

I was awfully surprised to learn from "Law & Order" that police are allowed to lie to suspects. Sorry it was so easy, but I think it's an interesting passive scrund. See my new puzzle you know where.
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It does seem sort of wrong for the "good guys" to be lying! I agree - very interesting!
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nice one, Nimue. thanks
Nimue (Nimue)
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What's the situation in other countries? If you're not American, are the police allowed to lie to suspects in your country?

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