| Author | Message | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1513 Registered: 9-2010 |
Bob and Joe are both scientists. One day, Bob gives Joe what he (Bob) thinks is a compliment, though some people might be insulted by it. In fact, Joe is offended by what Bob said, but for a completely different reason than most would be. Bob & Joe = H/A/M. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14605 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are Bob and Joe involved in the same field? Do they work together? Would any nonscientist think that what Bob said was a compliment? An insult? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1514 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are Bob and Joe involved in the same field? Irr, assume yes Do they work together? Probably not Would any nonscientist think that what Bob said was a compliment? An insult? They would view it as just as complimentary/insulting as a scientist would. And the vast majority of them who thought it insulting would think so for the same reason the vast majority of insulted scientists were insulted. There are some who would view it as insulting for the same reason Joe did. It's hard to get an exact count on them, since most would likely not be the recipient of said comment. Don't focus on the scientist vs. non-scientist distinction too much. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14612 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is an experiment relevant? Is research? Did the attempted compliment involve a pun? A scientific one? Ditto on the perceived insult? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1518 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is an experiment relevant? Is research? Well, Bob was complimenting Joe's research. But it isn't exactly relevant what that research was. Did the attempted compliment involve a pun? A scientific one? Ditto on the perceived insult? No to all | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 94 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did the compliment involve a comparison (as in, "You did that as well as __________" or "You are as smart as __________" or "You are the next _[famous person]__")? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1720 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he say "Congratulations! You've almost caught up with my research"? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1519 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did the compliment involve a comparison Yope. Good question! (as in, "You did that as well as __________" This is closest or "You are as smart as __________" This is close too or "You are the next _[famous person]__")? But not this | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1521 Registered: 9-2010 |
Sorry, missed Shez's question did he say "Congratulations! You've almost caught up with my research"? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4282 Registered: 9-2009 |
Comparison to: a person? A group? A profession? A company? An organization? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1523 Registered: 9-2010 |
Comparison to: a person? this A group? A profession? A company? An organization? Hint: Find out exactly what the comparison was | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4290 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it a comparison person to person? In the form "you are [better than] <person>"?Comparison: better than? Worse than? No worse than? Just like? Not like? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1526 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was it a comparison person to person? Yope In the form "you are [better than] <person>"? Yes Comparison: better than? this one Worse than? No worse than? Just like? Not like? this was implied in his statement. No to the rest. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1527 Registered: 9-2010 |
Slight clarification. It was in the form "you are better than [description of person] [person]". The addition of the [description of person] portion is relevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14632 Registered: 4-2010 |
The person compared to: Bob? Another scientist? Someone well-known? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1529 Registered: 9-2010 |
The person compared to: Bob? No Another scientist? Yope Someone well-known? Well, they were well known within the scientific community. Outside it, probably not. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4291 Registered: 9-2009 |
You are better than <derogatory> <person>? <profession> <person>? <compliment> <person>? <generic> <person>? <false> <person>? Did Joe look up to that person? Was Joe really better than that person? Did Joe aspire to be like that person? Was that person a friend of Joe's? Was the comment an insult to that person? If so, is that why Joe took offense? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1532 Registered: 9-2010 |
You are better than <derogatory> <person>? <profession> <person>? <compliment> <person>? <generic> <person>? None of these really, though it may have been somewhat generic <false> <person>? Yes! Good question Did Joe look up to that person? Noish Was Joe really better than that person? NO! Good question. Did Joe aspire to be like that person? I'm not really sure how to answer this. I'm going to say yope Was that person a friend of Joe's? No Was the comment an insult to that person? Yes, could mislead If so, is that why Joe took offense? Yesish. As for the other people who would take offense to such a comment (but for a different reason), it would be a flat out yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4311 Registered: 9-2009 |
You're better than that [hack|bastard|idiot|faker|criminal|incompetent|pathetic] <person>? Does Joe agree with Bob's false assessment of the person? Relevant? Does <person> work in the same field as Joe? does Joe know <person?> Tom? Is Tom present? Relevant what he does? What he's known for? Have Bob worked with Tom? Has Joe? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1535 Registered: 9-2010 |
You're better than that [hack|bastard|idiot|faker|criminal|incompetent|pathetic] <person>? No, it's not an inherently insulting phrase, it's just not an accurate description in this case, which creates the insult. And it might be insulting in general when used in a comparison (even if it were an accurate description). But when used outside a comparison (i.e. "You're a <descriptor>") it would be fine and not insulting in the least. Does Joe agree with Bob's false assessment of the person? No Relevant? Yes Does <person> work in the same field as Joe? Yes, could mislead does Joe know <person?> Yes, I suppose, DOYD/svv of "know". Could mislead. Tom? If you're referring to the person in the comparison as "Tom", you can't. Choose a different name. However, I will answer the questions about Tom as they would apply to that person. Is Tom present? Yope/yesish Relevant what he does? Somewhat What he's known for? Somewhat Have Bob worked with Tom? Irr, probably not though Has Joe? I'm not really sure how to answer this. Yope is the best answer I can think of. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14655 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the person in the comparison a fictional character? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1537 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the person in the comparison a fictional character? No, OTWT | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 100 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is <person> HAM? Was the insult insulting simply because it was incorrect? Because it was the wrong profession? nationality? Gender? Any of those traits relevant to Joe? <person>? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1539 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is <person> HAM? No, H/A/F. Good question! Was the insult insulting simply because it was incorrect? No Because it was the wrong profession? No nationality? No Gender? No Any of those traits relevant to Joe? <person>? Gender is relevant, though I don't think that's the best word to use. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1754 Registered: 2-2011 |
so Tom is a woman? Tomasina? was he insulted because he was compared to a woman? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1542 Registered: 9-2010 |
so Tom is a woman? Yes Tomasina? haha sure. was he insulted because he was compared to a woman? No. As a RECAP Bob said to Joe "You are better than <descriptor> Tomasina". But in this case, <descriptor> wasn't true. In cases where <descriptor> was true, some people might be insulted, though it still could be considered a compliment. However, in this case, Joe was insulted, and rightly so. Also, if I've been unclear, I'm sorry. I'm not sure <descriptor> is the best way to describe what Bob said, but I couldn't think of a better way to phrase it. So, if you want to try to clarify yourself, go ahead. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14682 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the descriptor a noun? A profession? "You are better than that X Tomasina"? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1770 Registered: 2-2011 |
that genius? is it that the descriptor could be taken to indicate sarcasm? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1545 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the descriptor a noun? Well, another word and a noun. I'm not sure what part of speech the other word is, but it's what my second grade teacher would call a "helping word". A profession? No "You are better than that X Tomasina"? "You are better than <other> <noun> Tomasina" that genius? No is it that the descriptor could be taken to indicate sarcasm? No | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1546 Registered: 9-2010 |
I wrote <otherword> <noun> with "otherword" actually having a space between "other" and "word". But that apparently messed it up. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1551 Registered: 9-2010 |
I will $poyle this Sunday night if it isn't already done, because I am having surgery on Monday (a week from today). | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1782 Registered: 2-2011 |
good luck with the surgery. I hope it's nothing too awful | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14698 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the "other word" or "noun" emphasize that Tomasina is a woman? Is the insult related to masculinity/femininity? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1788 Registered: 2-2011 |
is either word a swear word? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1552 Registered: 9-2010 |
Does the "other word" or "noun" emphasize that Tomasina is a woman? Sort of with the noun. Not at all with the other word. I'm not sure if it's a preposition, a pronoun, a conjunction, something like that but no. Is the insult related to masculinity/femininity? Not really... Sort of OTRT thoug. is either word a swear word? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14717 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Tomasina a good scientist? A bad one? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1858 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is it a title like "Mr." or "Mrs."? Does it incorrectly portray Tomasina's marital status? or would it in fact only make sense if describing a man (and thus, the comparison is actually made to a spouse or relative of the scientist, who himself was not a scientist at all!)? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1554 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was Tomasina a good scientist? Probably this, but... A bad one? Is it a title like "Mr." or "Mrs."? No Does it incorrectly portray Tomasina's marital status? No or would it in fact only make sense if describing a man (and thus, the comparison is actually made to a spouse or relative of the scientist, who himself was not a scientist at all!)? Huh? Rephrase this. I'm not sure what you mean, but you may be on to something. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1808 Registered: 2-2011 |
was she a good scientist but a bad something else? relevant to this puzzle? is Tomasina married to Bob? Joe? otherwise related to one of them? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1558 Registered: 9-2010 |
was she a good scientist but a bad something else? relevant to this puzzle? irr is Tomasina married to Bob? Joe? No to both otherwise related to one of them? Bob: no. Joe: yope/yesish/DOYD of "related" | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1818 Registered: 2-2011 |
Joe's girlfriend? Joe's ex? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1560 Registered: 9-2010 |
Joe's girlfriend? Joe's ex? No to both, completely OTWT, though I suppose "ex" would be accurate for an extremely svv of "ex". (Is or would it be "extreme svv"?) | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 119 Registered: 8-2011 |
Otherword: Preposition: obove? Over? with? beside? by? as? in? for? Pronoun: him? her? it? they? this? both? each? one? Conjunction: when? after? because? while? since? Noun: relation (sister, girlfriend,etc.)? hobbyist (hiker, poet, etc.)? concept (as in, Her Majesty, or Her Highness)? something that would not typically be used to describe a human being (as in "cow")? Something that would not typically be used to describe a woman (such as "husband" or "monk")? Something related to her lifestyle (lesbian, churchgoer, vegan, etc.)? Was Tomasina Joe's previous boss? fellow student? Did they know each other on a professional level? a personal level? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1561 Registered: 9-2010 |
Otherword: Preposition: obove? Over? with? beside? by? as? in? for? Pronoun: him? her? it? they? this? both? each? one? Conjunction: when? after? because? while? since? None of these. I looked it up online. It's a "possessive pronoun". Noun: relation (sister this was what the word was, but there's an ish because it wasn't true girlfriend,etc.)? hobbyist (hiker, poet, etc.)? concept (as in, Her Majesty, or Her Highness)? something that would not typically be used to describe a human being (as in "cow")? Something that would not typically be used to describe a woman (such as "husband" or "monk")? Something related to her lifestyle (lesbian, churchgoer, vegan, etc.)? No, but Tomasina's lifestyle is relevant. Was Tomasina Joe's previous boss? fellow student? Did they know each other on a professional level? a personal level? No to all, except on personal and professional levels for svv of "know". Also, I forgot to mention this before because, knowing the solution, I didn't realize it quite as much, but all these questions about Tomasina's and Joe's relationship are based on an FA. However, the questions about the descriptor were not. At first, I didn't think this was relevant, but thinking it over, it probably is. Sorry about that. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1562 Registered: 9-2010 |
On a different note, I'm willing to grant this puzzle an extension until after my surgery because it's so active and you're so close. I may do the same on the Big Election puzzle if we can get some questions, but I won't do it for the Kissing Up puzzle, which has had no questions in a month. I will now post this message on my other two puzzles. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1835 Registered: 2-2011 |
you are better than our sister Tomasina? my sister? your sister? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1568 Registered: 9-2010 |
you are better than our sister Tomasina? my sister? your sister? this | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14760 Registered: 4-2010 |
But Tomasina wasn't actually Joe's sister? Was that the reason for the insult? Do we need to figure out why Bob called Tomasina "your sister"? Is it because Tomasina and Joe were in the same field? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1570 Registered: 9-2010 |
But Tomasina wasn't actually Joe's sister? yes Was that the reason for the insult? there's more to it than that. Do we need to figure out why Bob called Tomasina "your sister"? That would help, but if you figure out why Joe was offended, the answer to that would logically follow. Either way is fine. Is it because Tomasina and Joe were in the same field? Well, they are, but there's more to it than that. Also, same FA (the one I didn't notice before). | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 120 Registered: 8-2011 |
OK, so to clear the FA: Are Joe and Tomasina in the same field? Have they ever actually met? or do they just "know of" each other? Or does Joe know of Tomasina but not the other way around? Is Tomasina still alive? Do they share the same last name? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1574 Registered: 9-2010 |
OK, so to clear the FA: Gosh, why am I answering the really complex part of the puzzle write after surgery ???? Are Joe and Tomasina in the same field? Yope/technically yes yes Have they ever actually met? or do they just "know of" each other? Or does Joe know of Tomasina but not the other way around? DYOD of "met" Is Tomasina still alive? Yope/DOYD of "alive" Do they share the same last name? YES! Good question. I feel my out of it brain may have given away too much now. Or not enough. We'll see. | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 146 Registered: 8-2011 |
I hope your surgery went well and that you will be feeling much better soon. I think you did just fine with the above questions. I am at the same level of curiosity as before. So, is Tomasina a flesh-and-blood living person? Is she animated, but not real (as in an android, cartoon character, or computer program)? Is she a female image (such as a drawing) that is not animated? Is she an object that, while completely void of female attributes, has been given a female name (the way people name boats and such)? Is it an object with some female attribute that I have not listed above? Is she a plant? Is she, or has she ever been, alive in the biological sense? Is she, or has she ever been, dead in the biological sense? Does Tomasina have parents? Anything supernatural going on? By "met", had Joe met her face to face the way people generally meet? communicated with her using a device (telephone, Internet, etc.)? communicated with her some other way (such as messengers or letters)? worked with her in some other capacity? "used" her (if she is not a flesh-and-blood human being)? Is the specific last name relevant? Something common in English-speaking countries? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1887 Registered: 2-2011 |
is she a fictional character? book? film? TV? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1576 Registered: 9-2010 |
So, is Tomasina a flesh-and-blood living person? Yes Is she animated, but not real (as in an android, cartoon character, or computer program)? no Is she a female image (such as a drawing) that is not animated? No Is she an object that, while completely void of female attributes, has been given a female name (the way people name boats and such)? No Is it an object with some female attribute that I have not listed above? No Is she a plant? no The above are all very OTWT and probably based on an FA As well Is she, or has she ever been, alive in the biological sense? She is now, with a slight ish. Is she, or has she ever been, dead in the biological sense? Other than before she was born, no. Does Tomasina have parents? Yes, although if you're asking whether they're alive, irr Anything supernatural going on? No By "met", had Joe met her face to face the way people generally meet? No, fA communicated with her using a device (telephone, Internet, etc.)? communicated with her some other way (such as messengers or letters)? worked with her in some other capacity? "used" her (if she is not a flesh-and-blood human being)? No to all, same FA though all except the last one could be true for an extremely literal interpretation of the question. Is the specific last name relevant? Something common in English-speaking countries? Irr | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1577 Registered: 9-2010 |
Ok, so in reading over my previous answers again I've realized I've misled you completely. The answers are correct from what I can tell, but are completely misleading due to the FA you have. I'm not going to go through and answer them again since that would take a long time and I suspect you would have phrased some of them diffierently if you weren't misled which means answering them could be misleading as well, so just bear in mind that you are missing a VERY important point that I inadvertently ignored. I don't know how to phrase this any better without $poyling this puzzle. So just use some really lateral thinking and you should be fine. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14862 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Joe alive? Is Bob alive? Is Tomasina alive? Is the complisult spoken face-to-face? Over the phone? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 196 Registered: 8-2011 |
Anything unusual about Tomasina's birth? Current health? Is Tomasina biologically or legally related to Joe? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1921 Registered: 2-2011 |
was Tomasina some sort of typing error? like someone or something should have referred to Mr X and had put Miss or Mrs X, when actually they were referring to Joe? | ||
| Jvp (Jvp)
New member Username: Jvp Post Number: 41 Registered: 9-2011 |
So, Bob's compliment was in the form "You are better than [my|your|our|their|someone's] sister, Tomasina." ? Did the complisult include the name 'Tomasina,' or is that just our puzzle reference? In Joe's interpretation of Bob's statement, did Joe hear Bob correctly? Is the precise possessive pronoun represented by [my|your|our|their|someone's] key to understanding how the comment may be understood as an insult in various ways? If so, is it any one of those listed? Is Tomasina debilitated or incapable in some way (autistic, coma, etc.)? | ||
| Jvp (Jvp)
New member Username: Jvp Post Number: 42 Registered: 9-2011 |
(Also, best wishes on your surgery, I hope your recovery is swift.) | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1584 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is Joe alive? Is Bob alive? Is Tomasina alive? They are all alive, but same FA that I somehow missed to mention until it was already established fact because I was confused from my surgery. Is the complisult spoken face-to-face? Over the phone? Irr So, Bob's compliment was in the form "You are better than [my|your|our|their|someone's] sister, Tomasina." ? <b> We've already established it was specificaly "... your [Joe's] sister ..." Did the complisult include the name 'Tomasina,' or is that just our puzzle reference? Tomasina is just a made up name because someone asked to call her Tom but we can't. I believe it included her name, but that's irrelevant. In Joe's interpretation of Bob's statement, did Joe hear Bob correctly? If I'm correct, you're asking if Joe's interpretation of Bob's statement was due to mishearing a word. If so, no. But you're making an FA that I thought we had already resolved (other than the other overarching FA that I screwed up on). So I'm posting a recap below. And given the fact that I was about to have/just had brain surgery whhen I posted this, my answers may be confusing (even aside from the complete elimination of an FA which cannot be clarified now without $poyling the puzzle. Is the precise possessive pronoun represented by [my|your|our|their|someone's] key to understanding how the comment may be understood as an insult in various ways? If so, is it any one of those listed? I guess.... This is the closest you've come yet to the solution. But keep in mind Bob wouldn't have used any other pronouns in this situation. I'll clarify in the recap below. Is Tomasina debilitated or incapable in some way (autistic, coma, etc.)? Not this *****RECAP WITH A FEW SMALL HINTS BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT MINOR DETAILS WE INCLUDED***** First, as a disclaimer there is a major FA in this recap that I failed to clarify until it was too late and unfortunately it's too late to clear it up without $poyling the puzzle. But one very major assumption you've been making is wrong. Remember that. Bob, a scientist, said to Joe, also a scientist "you are a much better scientist than your sister Tomasina". Note that Tomasina is not her real name, just one we made up, but Bob referenced her by her real first name, not Tomasina. Bob believed that Tomasina was Joe's sister when he made the remark. Were this the case, Joe could still be insulted since Tomasina was actually a scientist and if they were in the same line of work, Joe could be reasonably insulted by being compared to her, even positively. After all, in a way it's an insult to Tomasina, which is an insult to him since he's her brother (so Bob thought.) But, Joe was not Tomasina's sister. So, the statement was even more insulting and anyone put in that situation (which would be very few other scientists) would likely be completely outraged (as was Joe presumably, though nothing he did or said in a fit of rage is relevant.) Some of this was specifically due to the fact that Bob referred to Tomasina as "your" sister, though there isn't any other pronoun he would have or could have used in this case, provided he actually thought it was true and wasn't just making up sentences for the sake of saying them. Knowing this will help you figure out what "this case" is though. Although all characters are currently alive as flesh and blood human beings, it would be inaccurate to simply classify Tomasina as "alive" without clearing up the FA. But that being said, she's not dead either, at least not biologically. Finally, Tomasina is not debilitated or incapable in any way, but there is some very relevant and unusual aspect of her that will help you solve this. Additionally, if you want to give me some slighhtly modified statements Bob could have said to Joe (changing the pronoun(s), the characters involved, the relation, the comparison, or any other part you want but not the whole form of the question) I will say if that would be insulting, neutral, complimentary, or impossible (all of this presuming Bob legitimately and reasonably, but not necessarily falsely believed what he was saying to be true.) Go for it. It may help. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15083 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Joe have a sister named Tomasina who was not a scientist? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2042 Registered: 2-2011 |
you didn't answer my question about whether Tomasina really exists or is a typing error or something when someone had intended to address Joe - I take it that's a no then? has Joe changed sex? was he previously Tomasina? hope the surgery was a success and you're feeling good again | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1873 Registered: 6-2008 |
Oh, I think Shez got it. I actually remember reading such a story, where a female scientist transitioned to male and then was called a better scientist by those who didn't know, revealing that those others had been prejudiced against her as a woman. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2080 Registered: 2-2011 |
I have just realised that my last question came a bit too close to asking about the surgery - I wasn't actually suggesting that you'd had gender realignment surgery - I think it might take a bit longer to recover! | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1586 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did Joe have a sister named Tomasina who was not a scientist? No, but see below! you didn't answer my question about whether Tomasina really exists or is a typing error or something when someone had intended to address Joe - I take it that's a no then? see below has Joe changed sex? Yes! was he previously Tomasina? Indeed! hope the surgery was a success and you're feeling good again Oh, I think Shez got it. I actually remember reading such a story, where a female scientist transitioned to male and then was called a better scientist by those who didn't know, revealing that those others had been prejudiced against her as a woman. Yeah. I read that story too. I have just realised that my last question came a bit too close to asking about the surgery - I wasn't actually suggesting that you'd had gender realignment surgery - I think it might take a bit longer to recover! Indeed. Awkward.... Anyway.... *****SPOILER******* So this happened once to one (male) scientist, Ben Barnes (Joe). But Ben wasn't always Ben. He used to be Barbara Barnes, who, of course, had the same last name as Ben, same family. So, one day, some other scientist (Bob) says to (or about, really doesn't matter, but we were going on the premise that it was said directly to him) "Your work is better than what your sister Barbara did" or something to that effect. Of course, if Barbara were Ben's sister, it would still be insulting to Barbara, and therefore potentially to Ben, but in reality Barbara was Ben before he got the sex change. The (very small and not necessarily representative of sexual discrimination) study also showed that both scientists who transitioned from male to female saw their careers plummet afterwards. Barbara/Ben, on the other hand, saw his rise. Look for my new puzzle soon. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2094 Registered: 2-2011 |
great puzzle, thanks! and I think we were being particularly dense |
