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| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1047 Registered: 8-2001 |
The Harry Potter names are complete coincidental. I’ve just had HP on the brain since Potato’s puzzle. Neville followed the rule, Draco did not, and Luna only followed part of the rule. Of the three, only Luna was punished. Why? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1742 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was Luna physically unable to be punished (for instance, because she was dead)? Did the results of not following both parts of the rule undo each other in some way? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1051 Registered: 8-2001 |
Was Luna physically unable to be punished (for instance, because she was dead)? No Did the results of not following both parts of the rule undo each other in some way? No, but OTRT | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1293 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was the rule something in the format of "Do X and Y" and Neville did X and Y, Draco did neither, and Luna did only one of them? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1052 Registered: 8-2001 |
Was the rule something in the format of "Do X and Y" and Neville did X and Y, Draco did neither, and Luna did only one of them? YES! Exactly like that. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3813 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are Neville, Draco, and Luna H/A/M? H/A/F? Two H/A/Ms and one H/A/F? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1054 Registered: 8-2001 |
Are Neville, Draco, and Luna H/A/M? H/A/F? Two H/A/Ms and one H/A/F? This one. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3814 Registered: 9-2010 |
True story? FYOI? FSEI? LTPF list of continents? LTPF list of centuries? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1055 Registered: 8-2001 |
True story? FYOI? FSEI? True story LTPF list of continents? Irrelevant LTPF list of centuries? Irrelevant | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3815 Registered: 9-2010 |
Punished...by doing X but not Y (or Y but not X) did Luna commit a crime? Was she sent to prison? Made to do community service? Fined? Was she executed? Are Draco, Neville and Luna in their: 20's? 30's? 40's? 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's? 90's? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1056 Registered: 8-2001 |
Punished...by doing X but not Y (or Y but not X) did Luna commit a crime? No Was she sent to prison? No Made to do community service? No Fined? No Was she executed? No Are Draco, Neville and Luna in their: 20's? 30's? 40's? 50's? 60's? 70's? 80's? 90's? Not relevant | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1744 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the rule a business practice? some kind of "by-law" of an organization? a school rule? a rule of how to correctly approach a problem (e.g. a math problem on an exam)? a rule of a game? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1057 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is the rule a business practice? This is closest. some kind of "by-law" of an organization? No a school rule? No a rule of how to correctly approach a problem (e.g. a math problem on an exam)? No a rule of a game? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 795 Registered: 2-2011 |
punished by getting the sack? not being promoted? was the effect of doing x but not y to cause financial los? embarassment? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 701 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is the rule something like "Do this and that and then write it down and/or inform somebody" and Luna did the first part but didn't write it down/didn't write it down the way she should have/ didn't tell anyone? Did she not file certain documents? Or did she not put anything else where she was supposed to? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1059 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez punished by getting the sack? No not being promoted? No was the effect of doing x but not y to cause financial los? No embarassment? Mostly this, with a possible threat of being fired. Potato Is the rule something like "Do this and that and then write it down and/or inform somebody" No and Luna did the first part but didn't write it down/didn't write it down the way she should have/ didn't tell anyone? No Did she not file certain documents? No Or did she not put anything else where she was supposed to? Yes-ish (but mostly because this is SO vaguely worded. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13792 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were any of the three given an assignment or task to perform? Is any of their jobs relevant? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1297 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was it something like "make these top-secret calculations and don't share them with anyone outside this company" and she made the top-secret calculations and sent them to a rival company? And Draco didn't do the calculations at all, and didn't get in trouble because it would be pointless to do them anyway after Luna leaked them? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1065 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin Were any of the three given an assignment or task to perform? In a way... Is any of their jobs relevant? No Gregoryuconn Was it something like "make these top-secret calculations and don't share them with anyone outside this company" Vaguely like... and she made the top-secret calculations and sent them to a rival company? No And Draco didn't do the calculations at all, No and didn't get in trouble because it would be pointless to do them anyway after Luna leaked them? No | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 514 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the task they were given to perform involve: * manipulating physical objects? * manipulating data? * moving around? * keeping record ( as in lab notebook )? * using equipment? driving? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1068 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did the task they were given to perform involve: Just to clarify, they were given a task to perform only "in a way", NOT Yes. * manipulating physical objects? This is closest. * manipulating data? No * moving around? No * keeping record (as in lab notebook )? No * using equipment? No driving? No | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1069 Registered: 8-2001 |
Brief Recap: * The "rule" is a business practice/policy. * While not a school rule, it could be. * Gregoryuconn determined that the rule was "in the format of "Do X and Y" and Neville did X and Y, Draco did neither, and Luna did only one of them". | ||
| Jacek (Jacek)
New member Username: Jacek Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2011 |
Did Luna do X? Or Y? Is the order of actions even relevant? If it is, then is it physically or logically possible to do Y without doing X first? Was she punished because doing X without Y causes in fact more harm than gain? (Or Y without X?) Was she the only one punished because of some harm or damage resulting from her actions? Did Neville avoid punishment because he did the job like he was supposed to? And Draco because he didn't do the job, but at least didn't cause any damage either? Or maybe Draco did something, but with disregard for the rules? Did he avoid punishment because he wasn't caught? Or rather because it didn't matter that he didn't follow the rules, as long as the job was done? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13825 Registered: 4-2010 |
Welcome to the forum, Jacek! Was Draco able to do X? Y? Was Luna able to do [X or Y, whichever one she didn't do]? | ||
| Jacek (Jacek)
New member Username: Jacek Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2011 |
Thanks! I first heared about lateral puzzles only yesterday (At the age of 26, can you believe it?) when a friend told me the classic one about a dead naked guy lying near a mountain (at least I guess it's classic worldwide, not only here in Poland). I got interested, googled around a bit, and found your group. I really like it and intend to stay around a bit. (Sorry for off-topicing, hope I won't get banned after an hour of membership!) | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1076 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jacek Did Luna do X? Yes Or Y? no Is the order of actions even relevant? Order not relevant but... If it is, then is it physically or logically possible to do Y without doing X first? Excellent Q! It is NOT possible to do Y without having done X. Was she punished because doing X without Y causes in fact more harm than gain? No (Or Y without X?) No Was she the only one punished because of some harm or damage resulting from her actions? No, no harm or damage resulted from her actions, nor was she punished for that reason. Did Neville avoid punishment because he did the job like he was supposed to? Yes and... Also, FA in that it's not a "job". And Draco because he didn't do the job, but at least didn't cause any damage either? No Or maybe Draco did something, but with disregard for the rules? No Did he avoid punishment because he wasn't caught? YES! Or rather because it didn't matter that he didn't follow the rules, as long as the job was done? No Balin Was Draco able to do X? Y? Yes Was Luna able to do [X or Y, whichever one she didn't do]? She was able to both but only did X. Jacek Thanks! I first heared about lateral puzzles only yesterday (At the age of 26, can you believe it?) Better late than never! (Sorry for off-topicing, hope I won't get banned after an hour of membership!) We are a pretty laid back group. I don't think you even can get banned if you're not running around being over-the-top offensive or trying to sell us things. :D | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1081 Registered: 8-2001 |
I realized my answers have been slightly misleading in one aspect. Slight BLOOPER: Technically the rule is the form of "Do X and avoid doing Y"... Neville did X and avoided doing Y. Draco did neither. Luna did X but did NOT avoid doing Y. Carry on! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13834 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is technology relevant? A server crash? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1087 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is technology relevant? No A server crash?No | ||
| Jacek (Jacek)
New member Username: Jacek Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2011 |
Did the Y part involve: Preventing from happening something that happens "by itself" as a result of the X action? Not telling anybody about X, or not letting anybody know? (i.e. concealing something connected with X?) Something that modifies the outcome of X? Or diminishes / removes X's unwanted consequences? Was the result of whatever Luna did or didn't do: funny? embarassing? to her? to someone else? Did the situation happen at work? In an office? Was the person who administered the punishment their boss? Or maybe it wasn't administered at all, but rather Luna brought it upon herself by her actions, causing something unpleasent to hapen to her? | ||
| Jacek (Jacek)
New member Username: Jacek Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2011 |
Did the Y part involve: Preventing from happening something that happens "by itself" as a result of the X action? Not telling anybody about X, or not letting anybody know? (i.e. concealing something connected with X?) Something that modifies the outcome of X? Or diminishes / removes X's unwanted consequences? Was the result of whatever Luna did or didn't do: funny? embarassing? to her? to someone else? Did the situation happen at work? In an office? Was the person who administered the punishment their boss? Or maybe it wasn't administered at all, but rather Luna brought it upon herself by her actions, causing something unpleasent to happen to her? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1089 Registered: 8-2001 |
It looks like you double posted, but I'm using your second set of Qs just in case. Let me know if I'm missing anything. Did the Y part involve: Preventing from happening something that happens "by itself" as a result of the X action? No Not telling anybody about X, No or not letting anybody know? No (i.e. concealing something connected with X?) Yes Something that modifies the outcome of X? No Or diminishes / removes X's unwanted consequences? No Was the result of whatever Luna did or didn't do: funny? Perhaps embarassing? Perhaps to her? to someone else? Funny perhaps to someone else, likely embarassing to her. Did the situation happen at work? Yes In an office? Yes Was the person who administered the punishment their boss? Yes Or maybe it wasn't administered at all, No, it was. but rather Luna brought it upon herself by her actions, causing something unpleasent to happen to her? No | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1471 Registered: 9-2009 |
Just to make sure I get this straight... You said their profession and their age are irrelevant. Does this mean that this is a rule that can apply to everyone having some kind of job, or even not a job at all? Is it something related to salaries of the employees? Was X possible to be done only with a computer? Did it relate to ways of dressing up? Was any of the X or Y related to the office's relation with the customers? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1080 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the rule about moving in the office building? Entering/leaving the building? Handling things you work with? Interacting with other people in the office? People elsewhere (e.g. on the telephone)? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1120 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rbruma Just to make sure I get this straight... You said their profession and their age are irrelevant. Correct. Does this mean that this is a rule that can apply to everyone having some kind of job, Yes! or even not a job at all? Eh, this sort of rule would be most common at a job or perhaps a school. Is it something related to salaries of the employees? No Was X possible to be done only with a computer? As in you need a computer to do X? No. Or as in, X requires only a computer to do? Also No. Did it relate to ways of dressing up? YES! Nice leap forward. Was any of the X or Y related to the office's relation with the customers? No Markobr Is the rule about moving in the office building? No Entering/leaving the building? No Handling things you work with? No Interacting with other people in the office? Yes-ish, see above People elsewhere (e.g. on the telephone)? No | ||
| Jacek (Jacek)
New member Username: Jacek Post Number: 36 Registered: 5-2011 |
Is their gender relevant? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1121 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is their gender relevant? No. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1315 Registered: 9-2010 |
Dress code? Special exceptions to the dress code? Maybe something along the lines of how offices in Super Bowl team cities make exceptions to let you wear your team's gear? But if you're the fan of another team, too bad for you, wear your normal business attire or the enemy's clothes? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1081 Registered: 5-2009 |
Are people in the office supposed to wear a uniform? Other kind of special professional clothing? Or just formal clothing? Is the rule about a specific peace of clothing? Health and safety relevant? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1123 Registered: 8-2001 |
Gregoryuconn Dress code? Yes Special exceptions to the dress code? No Maybe something along the lines of how offices in Super Bowl team cities make exceptions to let you wear your team's gear? No But if you're the fan of another team, too bad for you, wear your normal business attire or the enemy's clothes? No Markobr Are people in the office supposed to wear a uniform? No Other kind of special professional clothing? No Or just formal clothing? Irrelevant. Is the rule about a specific peace of clothing? YES Health and safety relevant? No | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1082 Registered: 5-2009 |
Do you usually wear the peace of clothing on the head? Around your neck? On the arms? Hands? Breast? Waist? Legs? Feet? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1124 Registered: 8-2001 |
Do you usually wear the peace of clothing on the head? No Around your neck? No On the arms? No Hands? No Breast? No, with a possible Maybe Waist? Sort of Legs? Sort of Feet? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13859 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the piece of clothing part of a uniform? Is it an undergarment? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1127 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is the piece of clothing part of a uniform? No Is it an undergarment? YES! *whew* The actual word used was "underwear" but the meaning of that can vary from place to place, so I struggled with how to answer. I have no idea if they meant panties/boxers/trunks only or bras too... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13863 Registered: 4-2010 |
Always wear underwear? Always wear clean underwear? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1131 Registered: 8-2001 |
Always wear underwear? Yes, this was X. Always wear clean underwear? Oddly, no. So what was Y and why did Luna get in trouble but not Draco? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13866 Registered: 4-2010 |
Avoid showing off your underwear? Period? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1133 Registered: 8-2001 |
Avoid showing off your underwear? Yes! Period? Um, is this an emphatic or are you asking a question? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13868 Registered: 4-2010 |
Emphatic. So... Neville wore undies but didn't show them off. Draco didn't and managed to avoid flashing anyone. Luna did, but ended up revealing her undergarments somehow, and got in trouble for it (and probably embarrassed as well). All this correct? What's left to find out? | ||
| Jacek (Jacek)
New member Username: Jacek Post Number: 38 Registered: 5-2011 |
Ha, that was clever! Actually, not doing Y made X irrelevant, so that's why Draco didn't get caught! Is the puzzle solved, or do we still have to guess why Luna showed her underwear and how she got punished? (I see serious potential of this turning into a thread for adults only, though...) | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1137 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin Neville wore undies but didn't show them off. Draco didn't and managed to avoid flashing anyone. Luna did, but ended up revealing her undergarments somehow, and got in trouble for it (and probably embarrassed as well). YEP! Point perfect summary. Jacek Ha, that was clever! Actually, not doing Y made X irrelevant, so that's why Draco didn't get caught! Is the puzzle solved, or do we still have to guess why Luna showed her underwear and how she got punished? Nope, that's it. I was writing the Spoiler while you two were chatting. (I see serious potential of this turning into a thread for adults only, though...) OH MY! No, no "brown chicken brown cow" intended here. ***** SPOILER ***** In June 2009, the city council of Brooksville, Fla., by 4-1, adopted an appearance policy that requires all municipal employees to wear underwear while on the clock and to make sure it is not visible. I read that and my very first thought was "Well, that's totally unenforceable", thus the title. After all, the only way you could get in trouble is to WEAR underwear and have it show. If you chose to go commando, how on earth would they know?? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13872 Registered: 4-2010 |
Ummm...what a law? I'm not sure how to react to it. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1320 Registered: 9-2010 |
Maybe when you go through the metal detector at the city hall, it will x-ray your pants to make sure there is underwear underneath? Sort of like the TSA full-body scanners? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1321 Registered: 9-2010 |
I also remember reading an article about an employer which fired an employee for not wearing shoes on the job, which violated the dress code. The catch - his legs were amputated at the knee. What would happen if there was a guy with no legs? Would they still make him wear underpants? And where would he wear them where they wouldn't show? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1149 Registered: 8-2001 |
Okay, that's totally ridiculous. I hope he sued for discrimination. |
