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Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 10:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Frank just meant well, but the result was a lifetime of hardship.
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Frank = H/A/M? A famous person? Is his age relevant? profession? religion? race?
a lifetime of hardship - for him? for someone else?
Time or location relevant? If so, the usual [LTPF lists], please.
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Frank = H/A/M? Yes
A famous person? No
Is his age relevant? No
profession? No
religion? No
race? No

a lifetime of hardship - for him? That, too
for someone else? But mainly this

Time or location relevant? No
If so, the usual [LTPF lists], please.
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hardship - financial? physical? emotional?
the someone else - one person? more than one? his family? people he didn't know?
meant well - by doing something? saying something?
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hardship -
financial? Possibly
physical? Yes
emotional? Yes
However, not all persons are affected by all of the above...

the someone else -
one person? Yes. Explore.
more than one? Yes, except for the physical
his family? Yes
people he didn't know? No

meant well -
by doing something?
saying something? This would be closest
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So only one person had physical hardship? Is it Frank? His mom? His dad? His sister? His brother? And did everyone experience the other harships? Are there any kinds of hardships we haven't discovered? Did [LTPF List of integers] people experience the hardships? Relevant? Are you one of Frank's family?
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So only one person had physical hardship? Yes
Is it Frank?
His mom?
His dad?
His sister?
His brother? No to all

And did everyone experience the other harships? Yesish

Are there any kinds of hardships we haven't discovered? Yes
Did [LTPF List of integers] people experience the hardships? 3
Relevant? Yes
Are you one of Frank's family? No, it's all FMOI.
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So, three people - Frank? his wife? son? daughter?

Are there any other relevant people in this puzzle?

Did someone misunderstand Frank? His words? His intentions?
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Oooops, didn't mean to bold it!! Sorry!
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So, three people -
Frank? Yes
his wife? Yes
son? daughter? Yes, their child, gender irrelevant

Are there any other relevant people in this puzzle? No

Did someone misunderstand Frank? No
His words? His intentions? So no to both
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Is the person who experienced the physical hardship his wife? his child? Was the physical hardship related to not having enough to eat? having to work hard? not having a place to live? not having adequate clothing?
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Is the person who experienced the physical hardship his wife? No
his child? Yes

Was the physical hardship related to not having enough to eat? No, but explore. No to the rest.
having to work hard?
not having a place to live?
not having adequate clothing?
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No one? I'm going to help out with a RECAP then :-)

Due to something that Frank said, he, his wife and his child have a lifetime of hardship. All of them more or less have to endure emotional and possibly financial hardship and the child has to endure physical hardship and another kind of hardship as well. The reason why the child has to suffer from those additional hardships is not a lack of food but it has to do with nutrition. When he said the thing that triggered it all, Frank was not misunderstood.

The puzzle title is highly important.
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Was the child not allowed to eat certain things? Because of an allergy/intolerance? Did he/she have to become a vegetarian? vegan? Did the child have to endure this hardship from the moment of his/her birth?

Is a certain event in Frank's life relevant?
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Relevant to whom Frank said the relevant thing? Was the physical hardship done to the child directly by Frank? by Frank's wife? by third party?
If Frank and his wife hadn't had a baby, would someone else experience the physical hardship?
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Was the child not allowed to eat certain things? Because of an allergy/intolerance?
Did he/she have to become a vegetarian? vegan?
Did the child have to endure this hardship from the moment of his/her birth? Yes
No to the rest, and there's an FA in there.

Is a certain event in Frank's life relevant? Yes

Relevant to whom Frank said the relevant thing? Yes
Was the physical hardship done to the child directly by Frank? No
by Frank's wife? Yes
by third party? No

If Frank and his wife hadn't had a baby, would someone else experience the physical hardship? No
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Is the relevant event the birth of his child? His wife's pregnancy?

Did he say the relevant thing to his wife? to his child? Did he want to give his wife some advice about what to eat during her pregnancy? And he was wrong about it? But the wife did it nevertheless and therefor the baby was handicapped or malformed?
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Is the relevant event the birth of his child?
His wife's pregnancy?
Both are relevant, but Frank said the relevant thing during her pregnancy.

Did he say the relevant thing to his wife? Yes
to his child? No, FA
Did he want to give his wife some advice about what to eat during her pregnancy? Yope. Explore.
And he was wrong about it? Yesish
But the wife did it nevertheless She did what he said and therefor the baby was handicapped or malformed? Yes
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Did he tell his wife to take vitamins? nutrients? folic acid? And she took too much of it?

Drinking relevant? Smoking?
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Did he tell his wife to take vitamins? nutrients? folic acid? No to all
And she took too much of it? So, no

Drinking relevant? Yes
Smoking? No
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Did he tell her not to drink? to drink? Did the child develop fetal alcohol syndrome?
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Did he tell her not to drink?
to drink? This. Explore.
Did the child develop fetal alcohol syndrome? YES
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Did he tell her it might be good to have suchandsuch an amount of alcohol during pregnancy? Did she drink more than he said?
Was she a teetotaller before her pregnancy?
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Did she misunderstand the amount that she should drink?
Something about "a glass" (which denoted a specific amount) whereas she was filling a glass they happened to have, which was larger than the recommendation?

Differences in type of alcohol?
Like drinking a glass of wine versus drinking a glass of hard liquor (straight, one assumes which *shiver*)?
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Did he tell her it might be good to have suchandsuch an amount of alcohol during pregnancy?
Did she drink more than he said?
Was she a teetotaller before her pregnancy?
No to all
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*cough* Please see my questions.
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*cough* Please see my questions. Oops. Sorry for that.

Did she misunderstand the amount that she should drink? No
Something about "a glass" (which denoted a specific amount) whereas she was filling a glass they happened to have, which was larger than the recommendation? No

Differences in type of alcohol? No
Like drinking a glass of wine versus drinking a glass of hard liquor (straight, one assumes which *shiver*)? Thus no
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did Frank tell his wife to take cough medecine or some sort of tonic which he didn't realise contained alcohol?
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did Frank tell his wife to take cough medecine or some sort of tonic which he didn't realise contained alcohol? No, but it's somewhat OTRT
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did he tell her to take something?

did it contain alcohol?

did it contain another substance which had the ame effect that alcohol would have?
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did he tell her to take something? Yes

did it contain alcohol? Yes, it was alcoholic drinks

did it contain another substance which had the ame effect that alcohol would have? No, FA
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did Frank know that the drinks contained alcohol?
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did Frank know that the drinks contained alcohol? Yes
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did Frank think this kind of alcohol didn't count?
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did Frank think this kind of alcohol didn't count? Yope
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BLOOPER:

Did he tell her it might be good to have suchandsuch an amount of alcohol during pregnancy? No, but...
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So Frank encouraged his wife (can we call her Fiona?) to drink something during pregnancy?
Which he knew contained alcohol?
But for reasons not determined, he thought the alcohol wouldn't hurt the baby?

Was the drink clearly an alcoholic beverage?
Wine?
Beer?
Some sort of mixed drink?

Was it marketed/presented as medicine?

Kind of alcohol - I'm guessing ethanol?
Because if it was methanol she'd be dead...

Was he encouraging Fiona to drink the beverage because of other ingredients it contained?

Was it some sort of energy shot?
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So Frank encouraged his wife (can we call her Fiona? Sure) to drink something during pregnancy? Yesish
Which he knew contained alcohol? Yes
But for reasons not determined, he thought the alcohol wouldn't hurt the baby? Yope. Explore.

Was the drink clearly an alcoholic beverage? Yes
Wine?
Beer?
Some sort of mixed drink? No to all

Was it marketed/presented as medicine? Noish to yope. Good question. Explore.

Kind of alcohol - I'm guessing ethanol? Right
Because if it was methanol she'd be dead... Well, that'd be bad

Was he encouraging Fiona to drink the beverage because of other ingredients it contained? Could be, but I think it's mainly the alcohol

Was it some sort of energy shot? No
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Did Frank know she was pregnant?
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Did Frank advise Fiona to drink the alcoholic beverage for her own benefit? For child's benefit? For someone else's benefit?

Is it relevant at which stage of pregnancy was Fiona when Frank advised her to drink alcohol?

Did Frank misunderstand the drink's advertisements?
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Did Frank know she was pregnant? NO!

Did Frank advise Fiona to drink the alcoholic beverage for her own benefit? This. Explore.
For child's benefit?
For someone else's benefit?

Is it relevant at which stage of pregnancy was Fiona when Frank advised her to drink alcohol? Yes, at the beginning. However...

Did Frank misunderstand the drink's advertisements? No
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Did Fiona know she was pregnant? Was she showing "pregnancy symptoms" (e.g. morning sickness) and Frank mistook them for symptoms of something else? Which he thought could be cured with alcohol?
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Was Frank trying to get her drunk?
Not drunk but relaxed?
Were Fiona and Frank trying to get pregnant?

Were, err...how do I ask this delicately...Were they having marital difficulties and Frank thought a drink or two would better facilitate intimacy?

(On reflection, I think my abstract phrasing actually made that LESS delicate...)

Was Fiona having trouble sleeping?
Muscle or back pain?
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Did Fiona know she was pregnant? No
Was she showing "pregnancy symptoms" (e.g. morning sickness) and Frank mistook them for symptoms of something else? Yes
Which he thought could be cured with alcohol? Yes

Was Frank trying to get her drunk? No
Not drunk but relaxed? Yesish
Were Fiona and Frank trying to get pregnant? No

Were, err...how do I ask this delicately...Were they having marital difficulties and Frank thought a drink or two would better facilitate intimacy? No

(On reflection, I think my abstract phrasing actually made that LESS delicate...) xD

Was Fiona having trouble sleeping? No
Muscle or back pain? No


You-know-what is in the making...
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*********** SPOILER ***********

I guess you all have read or heard at least once about women giving birth in random places without even having been aware of being pregnant. Well, Fiona is one of them. When she was pregnant, she didn't develop any of the typical signs of pregnancy, except for occasional feelings of sickness. Frank, her husband, however related that to stomach problems and suggested that she should drink a schnapps whenever she feels unwell. Due to the alcohol exposure during the entire pregnancy, the couple's baby developed Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.


Great work, everyone!
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Nice puzzle!
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Thanks :-)
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that's terrible!
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Very good puzzle!
Although I absolutely don't understand how a woman fails to notice she's pregnant.
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Neither do I, to be honest, but apparently, this does happen...
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It happens with some regularity actually. And if you have no real symptoms, including no major weight gain, maybe some health issues, and had irregular cycles...then yeah, I can see really easily how it would happen.

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