| Author | Message | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1571 Registered: 8-2001 |
Edgar was only trying to help. He saw a problem and jumped right in to correct it. Jake ended up being very embarrassed by Edgar’s “help”. Why? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 68 Registered: 6-2011 |
Did Edgar physically jump into something? A swimming pool? Did Jake appear to need help to Edgar? Did Jake need help? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1575 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did Edgar physically jump into something? More metaphorical. A swimming pool? No Did Jake appear to need help to Edgar? No and FA Did Jake need help? No and FA | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2725 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is Edgar HAM? Is Jake? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 899 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did Edgar help Jake? Did he help somebody else? Was Jake a witness of Edgar's help? Did Edgar make Jake help him help somebody else (What a sentence... Help...)? Was there a problem in the first place? Was the thing Edgar considered a problem meant to be the way it was? Any of those relevant? Repairing something? Taking something somewhere? Taking somebody somewhere? Correcting a writing error? Teaching somebody something? Making somebody say something? Arranging items? Rescuing a person? Plants? Animals? Was Jake embarrassed because he was responsible for whatever Edgar corrected and shouldn't let him correct it? Did Jake get into trouble? Did Edgar get into trouble? Did Edgar's help result in a comical situation? In a dangerous one? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1578 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel Is Edgar HAM? Yes Is Jake? Yes Potato Did Edgar help Jake? No Did he help somebody else? Yes Was Jake a witness of Edgar's help? No Did Edgar make Jake help him help somebody else (What a sentence... Help...)? Hee. I followed it - and No. Was there a problem in the first place? Yes Was the thing Edgar considered a problem meant to be the way it was? Yes Any of those relevant? Those...you mean the things below. Dunno, let's find out... Repairing something? No Taking something somewhere? No Taking somebody somewhere? No Correcting a writing error? No Teaching somebody something? No Making somebody say something? No Arranging items? No Rescuing a person? YOPE Plants? No Animals? No Was Jake embarrassed because he was responsible for whatever Edgar corrected Yes and shouldn't let him correct it? A little of this too! Did Jake get into trouble? No Did Edgar get into trouble? No Did Edgar's help result in a comical situation? Somewhat In a dangerous one? No | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 901 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did Edgar think that a person was in trouble? In danger? Was the person really in trouble/danger? And the person really wasn't? Is acting relevant? Is the other person HAM? HAF? Are there more relevant persons? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 70 Registered: 6-2011 |
Did Edgar think a crime was being committed? Did Edgar think something was lost? Did Edgar think he would help somebody financially? medically? mentally? physically? If so, did he succeed? Was Edgar trying to help a third person? Is this third person a HAM? Are there any other relevant people than these 3? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1579 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did Edgar think that a person was in trouble? Yes In danger? Yes Was the person really in trouble/danger? Yes, and slight FA And the person really wasn't? No, they were. Is acting relevant? No Is the other person HAM? HAF? Are there more relevant persons? And FA solved (very neatly done). Two other folks, both HAMs. | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 72 Registered: 6-2011 |
Did Edgar think a crime was being committed? Did Edgar think something was lost? Did Edgar think he would help somebody financially? medically? mentally? physically? If so, did he succeed? Let's name the two other HAMs Mike and Nick. Was Mike in danger? Was Nick in danger? Did Edgar know Mike from before? Nick? Did Jake know Mike from before? Nick? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1581 Registered: 8-2001 |
d Edgar think a crime was being committed? Yes... Did Edgar think something was lost? No Did Edgar think he would help somebody financially? No medically? No mentally? No physically? Yes If so, did he succeed? Yes Let's name the two other HAMs Mike and Nick. Sure. Was Mike in danger? Yes(ish) Was Nick in danger? Yes(ish) Did Edgar know Mike from before? Nick? Did Jake know Mike from before? Nick? Everyone involved knew everyone else. :D | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1128 Registered: 2-2011 |
were the two people Edgar "saved" involved in some sort of acting? a sport? a game? a dare? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 77 Registered: 6-2011 |
Did Edgar misunderstand Nick's intentions? Mike's? Jake's? Did Jake object to what Edgar was doing? Did Mike or Nick? Were all four of them in eyeshot of each other when this occurred? earshot? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1582 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez were the two people Edgar "saved" involved in some sort of acting? a sport? a game? a dare? None of these Dbw Did Edgar misunderstand Nick's intentions? No Mike's? No Jake's? No Did Jake object to what Edgar was doing? No Did Mike or Nick? No Were all four of them in eyeshot of each other when this occurred? No earshot? No | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1592 Registered: 8-2001 |
Some classic "starter" questions might help here. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1622 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are any of this relevant for E, J, M or N: -- their profession -- their nationality -- their religion -- their place of birth ? Are they related? (How to put this... Is E related to J? M? N? Is J related to M? N? Is M related to N?) Relevant when the event happened? Location relevant? If so, location as in country/town? Or maybe as in a geographical feature, such as in the mountains or at the seaside? Or maybe as in a type of building / type of vehicle? You said not all four were in eyeshot of each other -- were there at least two of them? Three of them? If so: E & J? E & M? E & N? J & M? J & N? M & N? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1608 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rbruma Are any of this relevant for E, J, M or N: -- their profession Yes for all four. -- their nationality No -- their religion No -- their place of birth No Are they related? No one in this puzzle is releated to anyone else in this puzzle. :D Relevant when the event happened? No Location relevant? Yes! If so, location as in country/town? No Or maybe as in a geographical feature, such as in the mountains or at the seaside? No Or maybe as in a type of building / type of vehicle? Yes, building. You said not all four were in eyeshot of each other -- Edgar, Mike and Nick were all in the same place when the "problem" happened. Jake was not. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1157 Registered: 2-2011 |
was Jake responsible for the safety of people in the building? was it a school? office block? store? house? a public building? gymnasium? swimming pool? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1612 Registered: 8-2001 |
was Jake responsible for the safety of people in the building? Yes was it a school? office block? store? house? gymnasium? swimming pool? No to these a public building? Yes, of a sort. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1162 Registered: 2-2011 |
a church? library? museum? sports facility? town hall? law court? police station? bus station? airport? car park? theatre? cinema? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1613 Registered: 8-2001 |
a church? library? museum? sports facility? town hall? law court? police station? bus station? airport? car park? theatre? cinema? None of these | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2011 |
Jake was embarrassed afterward. Were there similar repercussions for the other 3 men? Was there laughter? Was there a "I'm gonna get you for that!" or a "Well, at least we know not to do that next time!"? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1183 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a government building? municipal building? commercial? a bank? restaurant? train station? some kind of monument? castle? theme park? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1619 Registered: 8-2001 |
Fionakelleghan Jake was embarrassed afterward. Were there similar repercussions for the other 3 men? Hmm...good question. Mike and Nick were probably embarassed after the fact. Perhaps made so by Jake. Was there laughter? Yes Was there a "I'm gonna get you for that!" or a "Well, at least we know not to do that next time!"? Less this, more just mocking. Shez was it a government building? Sort of?municipal building? No commercial? Could be. a bank? restaurant? train station? some kind of monument? castle? theme park? None of these | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 107 Registered: 7-2011 |
Are they wedding planners? <g> | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 108 Registered: 7-2011 |
You say they share a profession. Was Edgar being a bit unprofessional? A lot unprofessional? Was it a wardrobe malfunction? Is the incident going to continue to embarrass them because it was photographed or filmed? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1631 Registered: 8-2001 |
Fionakelleghan Are they wedding planners? <g> No, but that could make for a fun puzzle. Hmmmm... You say they share a profession. Actually, I didn't. I said profession was important for all four. Was Edgar being a bit unprofessional? No A lot unprofessional? No Was it a wardrobe malfunction? No Is the incident going to continue to embarrass them because it was photographed or filmed? No, it was not filmed or photographed. It was, however, covered by the press. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1216 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it being covered by the press because Edgar's intervention was noteworthy? or was it being covered by the press anyway? was it parliament? Congress? the senate? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1639 Registered: 8-2001 |
was it being covered by the press because Edgar's intervention was noteworthy? Sort of or was it being covered by the press anyway? No was it parliament? Congress? the senate? None of these | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1640 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Edgar a policeman? Fire fighter? Paramedic? Doctor? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1648 Registered: 8-2001 |
Was Edgar a policeman? No, but this is in the right field though not on quite the right track. Explore. Fire fighter? Paramedic? Doctor? no to these | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1226 Registered: 2-2011 |
was Edgar a security man? doorkeeper? private detective? soldier? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1651 Registered: 8-2001 |
was Edgar a security man? doorkeeper? private detective? soldier? None of these. HINT: It might help to figure out the other's profession(s) first. | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 157 Registered: 7-2011 |
Was one of them involved in law enforcement? the judicial system? criminal law? Was one of them involved in a "safe" industry such as running a shop or managing a grocery store? Was one of them a certain kind of doctor? Eye doctor? General practitioner? Butt doctor? Ear doctor? Throat doctor? Veterinarian? Okay, now I'm boring myself. :D Edgar saw a problem and jumped in to help it. Did this embarrass one of the other guys, because one of the other guys should have known how to help? Did one of the men have an allergy, which Edgar fixed? Did one have a sneezing attack? Did one have to pose for a photo, but for some reason could not keep his face straight? Did Edgar have a Seeing Eye dog, who was brought to the occasion to help, but it turned messy? Is the physical layout of the room important? Precisely how many people were in the room, when this incident happened? Was the incident something that they could all laugh about, later? Was the incident so awful that they could no longer be friends? I am stumped. And I'm enjoying this! | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1663 Registered: 8-2001 |
Was one of them involved in law enforcement? YES!! Three of them to be exact - Jake, Mike and Nick the judicial system? No criminal law? No Was one of them involved in a "safe" industry such as running a shop or managing a grocery store? Nope Was one of them a certain kind of doctor? No Okay, now I'm boring myself. :D Hey, I was greatly entertained by 'butt doctor'. :P Edgar saw a problem and jumped in to help it. yes Did this embarrass one of the other guys, because one of the other guys should have known how to help? No Did one of the men have an allergy, which Edgar fixed? No Did one have a sneezing attack? No Did one have to pose for a photo, but for some reason could not keep his face straight? No Did Edgar have a Seeing Eye dog, who was brought to the occasion to help, but it turned messy? No (also, eww) Is the physical layout of the room important? No Precisely how many people were in the room, when this incident happened? Unsure, let's say Edgar, Nick and Mike and 20 others. Was the incident something that they could all laugh about, later? Perhaps. Was the incident so awful that they could no longer be friends? Not relevant I am stumped. And I'm enjoying this! Good! These are supposed to be fun, even when challenging. You made a good breakthrough with your first question. Might help figure out the location and specifics about Edgar. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1695 Registered: 8-2001 |
So....anyone want to follow up on: Was one of them involved in law enforcement? YES!! Three of them to be exact - Jake, Mike and Nick Or is this poor puzzle dying of neglect?? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1319 Registered: 2-2011 |
so the only one who was not in law enforcement was Edgar - was he the janitor? was someone threatening Mike and Nick? with a weapon? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1700 Registered: 8-2001 |
so the only one who was not in law enforcement was Edgar - Correct. was he the janitor? No was someone threatening Mike and Nick? No with a weapon? No HINT: The exact nature of "law enforcement" will help. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1321 Registered: 2-2011 |
police? traffic? FBI? detectives? army? private security? judges? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1702 Registered: 8-2001 |
police? No traffic? No FBI? No detectives? No army? No private security? This is closest. judges? No I realize in hindsight that this may be tough for those outside the US, as different countries have different ways of handling a key matter at hand here. By way of a HINT: In the US, this is handled both by law enforcement and by private contractors, depending on the specific location. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1707 Registered: 8-2001 |
This one is really languishing so perhaps it’s time for a … RECAP: Edgar was only trying to help. He saw a problem and jumped right in to correct it. Jake ended up being very embarrassed by Edgar’s “help”. Why? Edgar embarrassed Jake by rescuing/helping Mike and Nick. Mike, Nick, and Jake all share a profession and work together. It is something like law enforcement. Edgar does not share this profession. Jake was embarrassed because he was responsible for the “problem” Edgar fixed and Edgar should not have been the one fixing it. Jake was also responsible for the safety of those inside the building where this took place. The building is very relevant and is a public building of a sort. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13992 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Jake supposed to help/rescue Mike and Nick? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1715 Registered: 8-2001 |
Was Jake supposed to help/rescue Mike and Nick? No | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1731 Registered: 8-2001 |
ANOTHER HINT: Mike and Nick work for Jake. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1371 Registered: 2-2011 |
did they get locked in somewhere and Jake had to let them out? did they get handcuffed to something? or to each other? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1742 Registered: 8-2001 |
did they get locked in somewhere and Jake had to let them out? No did they get handcuffed to something? or to each other? No...but they probably have handcuffs with them or nearby. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1764 Registered: 8-2001 |
I don’t know why this one has died such a slow death, but there aren’t any more hints I can give and we don’t seem to be moving forward. I rarely do this, but… ***** SPOILER ***** Based on a true story. Edgar is an inmate at a county jail. One day a fight breaks out between two guards and Edgar steps in and breaks up the fight. Jake, the director of the facility, is embarrassed to have the media get wind of his staff fighting on the job and doubly so when one of the inmates they are supposed to be guarding had to break up the fight. Reportedly, the fight was over a bag of chips. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1391 Registered: 2-2011 |
oh good grief! I don't think we ever would have got that - it's too bizarre! but don't blame the puzzle, maybe we weren't lateral enough | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14031 Registered: 4-2010 |
D'oh! I remember hearing about this on the news. Don't know how I forgot it. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4092 Registered: 9-2010 |
Wow, how bizarre... |
