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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Today, I was really pleased not to hear a certain word.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 5:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the word a:
noun?
- if so, proper noun?
verb?
- if so, active? passive?
adjective?
article?
adverb?
conjunction?

was the word a slur? if so, was it racist? sexist? bigotry of some sort? against any religion?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 5:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the word a:
noun?
- if so, proper noun? this
verb?
- if so, active? passive?
adjective?
article?
adverb?
conjunction?

was the word a slur? no if so, was it racist? sexist? but I find it sexist to some extent bigotry of some sort? against any religion?
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a name?
if so,of a person?
place?

is it an honorific?
Mr., Mrs., Miss?
Sir/Madam?
A title for royalty?

As it's sexist to an extent, is it applied to males? females?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a name? yes
if so,of a person? yope
place? no

is it an honorific?
Mr., Mrs., Miss?
Sir/Madam?
A title for royalty?
no to all

As it's sexist to an extent, is it applied to males? females? females
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a nationality? a race?

can it only be applied to females?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a nationality? a race? no to both, OTWT

can it only be applied to females? yes
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a formal name?
Or nickname?
Is it a woman's name?
Do you know this person?
Were you part of the sitation where the name was said?
Or did you overhear others talking?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a formal name? yes
Or nickname? no
Is it a woman's name? yes
Do you know this person? no
Were you part of the sitation where the name was said? yesish
Or did you overhear others talking? no
There's a bit of an FA about 'the name', but that's because of my wording. Anyway, explore and you'll clear it up (:
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 10:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a nickname? a mocking one?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2011 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a nickname? a mocking one? no to both
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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When the name is mentioned, is a particular woman being called that?
Or is it used for women in general?

Is it actually a women's name but it's not usually associated with women?
If so, is it associated with an animal?

Does the name refer to a woman's physcial trait?
Or to a character trait?

Would you have been as pleased not to hear the name on any other day, too?

You were glad not to hear the name, so, in a way, you must've expecting hearing it, right?
Were you expecting to hear the name in a certain situation?
If so, was it
...in a conversation?
...at work/college?
...in a shop?
...at a party?
...in the media?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 8:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When the name is mentioned, is a particular woman being called that? yesish
Or is it used for women in general? no

Is it actually a women's name but it's not usually associated with women? no, it's a women's name, but there's still some kind of FA
If so, is it associated with an animal? no

Does the name refer to a woman's physcial trait?
Or to a character trait? no to both

Would you have been as pleased not to hear the name on any other day, too? yes! (at least in a specific situation, see below

You were glad not to hear the name, so, in a way, you must've expecting hearing it, right? yes!
Were you expecting to hear the name in a certain situation? yes
If so, was it
...in a conversation?
...at work/college? college
...in a shop?
...at a party?
...in the media? there are situations were I would be pleased not to hear it in the media as well, but let's say college because it's were it bothers me most
good q!
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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 9:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it Your own name?
Passing/failing exams relevant?
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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 2:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Assuming it wasn't your own name, was it that of a fellow student?
Of a professor?
Of a famous person?

Was the name actually the name of the person who was being addressed?
Or was somebody being called a name that wasn't hers?

Had you expected one certain person to say the name?
If so, was it
...a fellow student?
...a professor?
...somebody else?

Had you expected to hear a family name as well?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 3:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it Your own name? no
Passing/failing exams relevant? no

Assuming it wasn't your own name, was it that of a fellow student?
Of a professor?
Of a famous person? this one

Was the name actually the name of the person who was being addressed? no
Or was somebody being called a name that wasn't hers? no

Had you expected one certain person to say the name? yes
If so, was it
...a fellow student? could be this in a slightly different setting
...a professor? yesterday, it was this
...somebody else?

Had you expected to hear a family name as well? yes, and...
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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 5:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the professor known for mentioning "her" again and again (possibly thinking he's funny) to the point where it's annoying?
Is "she" a person who's related to his class in any way?

Relevant who she is?
If so, is she
...a scientist?
...an author?
...an actress?
...any kind of musician?
...any other kind of entertainer?
...an athlete?
...a politician?
...deceased?
...still alive?

Had you expected to hear more than just her full name?
If so, was it
...where she's from?
...where she's living?
...any of the things she's famous for?
...a quotation of hers?
...her husband/wife/partner/whatever?
...her child(ren)?

Wild guess: Is she Daniela Katzenberger? Or "Sexy Cora"?

Or the opposite: Is she famous for achieving something in a male dominated area and the professor comments on how a woman isn't supposed to do that?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the professor known for mentioning "her" again and again (possibly thinking he's funny) to the point where it's annoying? no, but nice thought
Is "she" a person who's related to his class in any way? yes

Relevant who she is? yope, and beware of FA
If so, is she
...a scientist? this
...an author? and this, no to rest
...an actress?
...any kind of musician?
...any other kind of entertainer?
...an athlete?
...a politician?
...deceased? this
...still alive? but under other circumstances, this - explore

Had you expected to hear more than just her full name? yes
If so, was it
...where she's from?
...where she's living?
...any of the things she's famous for? this
...a quotation of hers? maybe this
...her husband/wife/partner/whatever?
...her child(ren)?

Wild guess: Is she Daniela Katzenberger? Or "Sexy Cora"? lol, no to both

Or the opposite: Is she famous for achieving something in a male dominated area yes! and the professor comments on how a woman isn't supposed to do that? but no
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Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 6:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she famous for two (possibly unrelated) things? And you heard her mentioned only for one of the things, while you'd have preferred to hear a mention of her contribution in the other field?

She is deceased but still alive under some circumstances... Was a theory named after her? A theorem in maths? An element in chemistry? The Curie family relevant?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 11:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she famous for two (possibly unrelated) things? no And you heard her mentioned only for one of the things, while you'd have preferred to hear a mention of her contribution in the other field? so, no

She is deceased but still alive under some circumstances... no, FA Was a theory named after her? A theorem in maths? An element in chemistry? The Curie family relevant? no to all

HINT: Find out what I did hear.
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2011 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did you hear another name? the name of someone you wanted to hear about?

were you about to do a test?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2011 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did you hear another name? no the name of someone you wanted to hear about? but yope

were you about to do a test? no
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Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 1:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it something about the precise wording of how her name was given, rather than her being mentioned at all (for instance, calling her "Mrs. _______" rather than giving her full first and last name)? or even the old way of using her husband's first name as though it were her own ("Mrs. John Smith")?

Was she in fact mentioned, just not in the way that annoys you?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2011 - 9:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it something about the precise wording of how her name was given, rather than her being mentioned at all yes! (for instance, calling her "Mrs. _______" rather than giving her full first and last name almost!)? or even the old way of using her husband's first name as though it were her own ("Mrs. John Smith")? yuk! no

Was she in fact mentioned, just not in the way that annoys you? yes!

You're really close now, I'll do a little RECAP.
My professor was talking about a female researcher, and instead of calling her "Jane Doe", he called her ______. I was pleased not to hear her first name, because... - remember that I would have considered mentioning her first name somewhat sexist.


Wow, I could do a whole series on annoying habits of professors and students...
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Posted on Friday, June 24, 2011 - 3:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he call her "Dr. _____ "? Did he mention her in conjunction with a male researcher, and refer to him as a "Dr. ____ " ? so the sexist part would have been to use the title only for the male?
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Posted on Friday, June 24, 2011 - 10:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he call her "Dr. _____ "? no Did he mention her in conjunction with a male researcher, and refer to him as a "Dr. ____ " ? no so the sexist part would have been to use the title only for the male? no
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Posted on Friday, June 24, 2011 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does he first name have another meaning?

did not using her first name mean that he was giving her the respect she was due? like calling her Professor Doe?
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Posted on Friday, June 24, 2011 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does he first name have another meaning? no

did not using her first name mean that he was giving her the respect she was due? yes like calling her Professor Doe? he just called her "Doe", but it's close enough for a

******SPOILER********
My professor was talking about a female researcher (in this specific case it was Brigitte Schlieben-Lange but it could have been any woman) and instead of calling her "Brigitte Schlieben-Lange", he called her Schlieben-Lange.
I was very pleased not to hear her first name because I find it somewhat sexist - does he have to point out that this researcher is a woman in every single sentence? He would never say "John Doe said..." but "Doe said...", so why use the first name for a woman? She shouldn't be mentioned because she's a she, but because she has written/found out something important in her field.


This is just one of my many pet peeves at university. Two of my fellow students carried it too far when they spoke about "Simone" instead of de Beauvoir - hey, I didn't know you were on first name terms with her!

Thanks for playing, and thumbs up for Shez and Biograd for the final questions! (:
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Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 7:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for a nice puzzle Doriana, but I respectfully disagree.

If I start a sentence with "Curie said" the first thing to ask is which one? :-)

A name is a name. Newton is Isaac as much as Einstein is Albert and de Beauvoir is Simone. I don't see where sexism plays a part.

I agree however with your last comments -- I never heard of Isaac's second law of mechanics or Albert's theory of relativity :-)
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Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 1:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Curie is the only exception to that rule (; (And maybe the Grimm/Lumière/Schlegel/... brothers) I think it's okay to use the first name in the first sentence, but afterwards I'd only use the last name.
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Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2011 - 6:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

nice one Doriana, right on sister!
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Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 10:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting. I would never have thought that using first and last name appears sexist. For me it was always a sign of respect if a distinguished researcher is referred to by his/her full name rather than just the last name (which sounds somewhat rude to me).
It's also just interesting for students to learn whether some famous researcher is male or female.

(For Schlieben-Lange the case is different, her double name will always give her away as a woman.)

This remembers me of a fellow student who frequently referred to Kutta as "she". The student was from Russia and in Slavonic languages surnames on -a are in most cases female.

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