| Author | Message | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1526 Registered: 12-2010 |
Today, I was really pleased not to hear a certain word. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3877 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was the word a: noun? - if so, proper noun? verb? - if so, active? passive? adjective? article? adverb? conjunction? was the word a slur? if so, was it racist? sexist? bigotry of some sort? against any religion? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1527 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the word a: noun? - if so, proper noun? this verb? - if so, active? passive? adjective? article? adverb? conjunction? was the word a slur? no if so, was it racist? sexist? but I find it sexist to some extent bigotry of some sort? against any religion? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3878 Registered: 9-2010 |
is it a name? if so,of a person? place? is it an honorific? Mr., Mrs., Miss? Sir/Madam? A title for royalty? As it's sexist to an extent, is it applied to males? females? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1528 Registered: 12-2010 |
is it a name? yes if so,of a person? yope place? no is it an honorific? Mr., Mrs., Miss? Sir/Madam? A title for royalty? no to all As it's sexist to an extent, is it applied to males? females? females | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 970 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it a nationality? a race? can it only be applied to females? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1532 Registered: 12-2010 |
is it a nationality? a race? no to both, OTWT can it only be applied to females? yes | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1345 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is a formal name? Or nickname? Is it a woman's name? Do you know this person? Were you part of the sitation where the name was said? Or did you overhear others talking? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1534 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is a formal name? yes Or nickname? no Is it a woman's name? yes Do you know this person? no Were you part of the sitation where the name was said? yesish Or did you overhear others talking? no There's a bit of an FA about 'the name', but that's because of my wording. Anyway, explore and you'll clear it up (: | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1776 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is it a nickname? a mocking one? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1536 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it a nickname? a mocking one? no to both | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 824 Registered: 7-2010 |
When the name is mentioned, is a particular woman being called that? Or is it used for women in general? Is it actually a women's name but it's not usually associated with women? If so, is it associated with an animal? Does the name refer to a woman's physcial trait? Or to a character trait? Would you have been as pleased not to hear the name on any other day, too? You were glad not to hear the name, so, in a way, you must've expecting hearing it, right? Were you expecting to hear the name in a certain situation? If so, was it ...in a conversation? ...at work/college? ...in a shop? ...at a party? ...in the media? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1537 Registered: 12-2010 |
When the name is mentioned, is a particular woman being called that? yesish Or is it used for women in general? no Is it actually a women's name but it's not usually associated with women? no, it's a women's name, but there's still some kind of FA If so, is it associated with an animal? no Does the name refer to a woman's physcial trait? Or to a character trait? no to both Would you have been as pleased not to hear the name on any other day, too? yes! (at least in a specific situation, see below You were glad not to hear the name, so, in a way, you must've expecting hearing it, right? yes! Were you expecting to hear the name in a certain situation? yes If so, was it ...in a conversation? ...at work/college? college ...in a shop? ...at a party? ...in the media? there are situations were I would be pleased not to hear it in the media as well, but let's say college because it's were it bothers me most good q! | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 848 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was it Your own name? Passing/failing exams relevant? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 825 Registered: 7-2010 |
Assuming it wasn't your own name, was it that of a fellow student? Of a professor? Of a famous person? Was the name actually the name of the person who was being addressed? Or was somebody being called a name that wasn't hers? Had you expected one certain person to say the name? If so, was it ...a fellow student? ...a professor? ...somebody else? Had you expected to hear a family name as well? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1540 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it Your own name? no Passing/failing exams relevant? no Assuming it wasn't your own name, was it that of a fellow student? Of a professor? Of a famous person? this one Was the name actually the name of the person who was being addressed? no Or was somebody being called a name that wasn't hers? no Had you expected one certain person to say the name? yes If so, was it ...a fellow student? could be this in a slightly different setting ...a professor? yesterday, it was this ...somebody else? Had you expected to hear a family name as well? yes, and... | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 826 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is the professor known for mentioning "her" again and again (possibly thinking he's funny) to the point where it's annoying? Is "she" a person who's related to his class in any way? Relevant who she is? If so, is she ...a scientist? ...an author? ...an actress? ...any kind of musician? ...any other kind of entertainer? ...an athlete? ...a politician? ...deceased? ...still alive? Had you expected to hear more than just her full name? If so, was it ...where she's from? ...where she's living? ...any of the things she's famous for? ...a quotation of hers? ...her husband/wife/partner/whatever? ...her child(ren)? Wild guess: Is she Daniela Katzenberger? Or "Sexy Cora"? Or the opposite: Is she famous for achieving something in a male dominated area and the professor comments on how a woman isn't supposed to do that? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1542 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the professor known for mentioning "her" again and again (possibly thinking he's funny) to the point where it's annoying? no, but nice thought Is "she" a person who's related to his class in any way? yes Relevant who she is? yope, and beware of FA If so, is she ...a scientist? this ...an author? and this, no to rest ...an actress? ...any kind of musician? ...any other kind of entertainer? ...an athlete? ...a politician? ...deceased? this ...still alive? but under other circumstances, this - explore Had you expected to hear more than just her full name? yes If so, was it ...where she's from? ...where she's living? ...any of the things she's famous for? this ...a quotation of hers? maybe this ...her husband/wife/partner/whatever? ...her child(ren)? Wild guess: Is she Daniela Katzenberger? Or "Sexy Cora"? lol, no to both Or the opposite: Is she famous for achieving something in a male dominated area yes! and the professor comments on how a woman isn't supposed to do that? but no | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1560 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is she famous for two (possibly unrelated) things? And you heard her mentioned only for one of the things, while you'd have preferred to hear a mention of her contribution in the other field? She is deceased but still alive under some circumstances... Was a theory named after her? A theorem in maths? An element in chemistry? The Curie family relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1550 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is she famous for two (possibly unrelated) things? no And you heard her mentioned only for one of the things, while you'd have preferred to hear a mention of her contribution in the other field? so, no She is deceased but still alive under some circumstances... no, FA Was a theory named after her? A theorem in maths? An element in chemistry? The Curie family relevant? no to all HINT: Find out what I did hear. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1044 Registered: 2-2011 |
did you hear another name? the name of someone you wanted to hear about? were you about to do a test? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1563 Registered: 12-2010 |
did you hear another name? no the name of someone you wanted to hear about? but yope were you about to do a test? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1785 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was it something about the precise wording of how her name was given, rather than her being mentioned at all (for instance, calling her "Mrs. _______" rather than giving her full first and last name)? or even the old way of using her husband's first name as though it were her own ("Mrs. John Smith")? Was she in fact mentioned, just not in the way that annoys you? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1569 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it something about the precise wording of how her name was given, rather than her being mentioned at all yes! (for instance, calling her "Mrs. _______" rather than giving her full first and last name almost!)? or even the old way of using her husband's first name as though it were her own ("Mrs. John Smith")? yuk! no Was she in fact mentioned, just not in the way that annoys you? yes! You're really close now, I'll do a little RECAP. My professor was talking about a female researcher, and instead of calling her "Jane Doe", he called her ______. I was pleased not to hear her first name, because... - remember that I would have considered mentioning her first name somewhat sexist. Wow, I could do a whole series on annoying habits of professors and students... | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1791 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did he call her "Dr. _____ "? Did he mention her in conjunction with a male researcher, and refer to him as a "Dr. ____ " ? so the sexist part would have been to use the title only for the male? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1580 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he call her "Dr. _____ "? no Did he mention her in conjunction with a male researcher, and refer to him as a "Dr. ____ " ? no so the sexist part would have been to use the title only for the male? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1073 Registered: 2-2011 |
does he first name have another meaning? did not using her first name mean that he was giving her the respect she was due? like calling her Professor Doe? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1583 Registered: 12-2010 |
does he first name have another meaning? no did not using her first name mean that he was giving her the respect she was due? yes like calling her Professor Doe? he just called her "Doe", but it's close enough for a ******SPOILER******** My professor was talking about a female researcher (in this specific case it was Brigitte Schlieben-Lange but it could have been any woman) and instead of calling her "Brigitte Schlieben-Lange", he called her Schlieben-Lange. I was very pleased not to hear her first name because I find it somewhat sexist - does he have to point out that this researcher is a woman in every single sentence? He would never say "John Doe said..." but "Doe said...", so why use the first name for a woman? She shouldn't be mentioned because she's a she, but because she has written/found out something important in her field. This is just one of my many pet peeves at university. Two of my fellow students carried it too far when they spoke about "Simone" instead of de Beauvoir - hey, I didn't know you were on first name terms with her! Thanks for playing, and thumbs up for Shez and Biograd for the final questions! (: | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1586 Registered: 9-2009 |
Thanks for a nice puzzle Doriana, but I respectfully disagree. If I start a sentence with "Curie said" the first thing to ask is which one? :-) A name is a name. Newton is Isaac as much as Einstein is Albert and de Beauvoir is Simone. I don't see where sexism plays a part. I agree however with your last comments -- I never heard of Isaac's second law of mechanics or Albert's theory of relativity :-) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1585 Registered: 12-2010 |
Curie is the only exception to that rule (; (And maybe the Grimm/Lumière/Schlegel/... brothers) I think it's okay to use the first name in the first sentence, but afterwards I'd only use the last name. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1079 Registered: 2-2011 |
nice one Doriana, right on sister! | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 822 Registered: 6-2003 |
Interesting. I would never have thought that using first and last name appears sexist. For me it was always a sign of respect if a distinguished researcher is referred to by his/her full name rather than just the last name (which sounds somewhat rude to me). It's also just interesting for students to learn whether some famous researcher is male or female. (For Schlieben-Lange the case is different, her double name will always give her away as a woman.) This remembers me of a fellow student who frequently referred to Kutta as "she". The student was from Russia and in Slavonic languages surnames on -a are in most cases female. |
