| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13978 Registered: 4-2010 |
If Tanner hadn't already cleaned, he would have finished cleaning sooner, although he still would have had to ask for help. Tanner = HAM = all "he"s | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1130 Registered: 2-2011 |
does the first clean involve cleaning the same thing as the second clean? is he cleaning himself? another person? an animal? a car? a room? a building? something indoors? something outdoors? a machine? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 19 Registered: 6-2011 |
Did it got dirty after he cleaned first? Is it a dog? Is he cleaning something big? Any other person relevant? Is someone who is asking for cleaning very harsh? Does he/she not sure if Tanner cleaned it and ask him to clean again? Is Tanner considered Lazy? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2011 |
Okay, Balin, I'm thinking that there is a large number, if not an infinite number, of people who clean, and of places that need to be cleaned. Please tell us: Is Tanner's job relevant? Did Tanner usually clean a certain room, or a variety of places? Or was this a special occasion, that Tanner cleaned when, normally, he would not be expected to? Following Yatin509 [thanks there, my new friend!], Is Tanner occasionally / frequently / always supposed to report to a boss, work with a colleague, and / or deal with the public? Does Tanner have the usual 9-5 job (the "usual", as we say in the States)? Is his height, general looks, disabilities, expertise with languages, ability to kiss up to the boss - are any of these why Tanner is (1) getting ahead, making great progess, at his job, or (2) Does he malinger and be counter-productive, sometimes? Shez and Yatin509 have written some subtle, and some going-right-for-the-throat questions. | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2011 |
Balin, I am trying to think of almost everything, from coyotes to abortion doctor specialists - but I don't feel certain that I'm on the right track. I am [excuse me, I had a cat on my lap - I'm sure you'll understand] I guess my next set of questions might spread some territory: Did Tanner travel (or voyage) on a boat or a ship; and/or on the high seas? Was Tanner one of the maniacs (ahem) who climbs Everest and/or other important places? When Tanner was young, what was his/her favorite book or movie? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2011 |
Wait now. The word "clean" is used throughout the fishing industry, and I should know, because last year I was paid nicely for writing an article about it. So: Will we learn more about Tanner if we throw some verbs at him? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13979 Registered: 4-2010 |
does the first clean involve cleaning the same thing as the second clean? Yes, with a slight -ish is he cleaning himself? another person? an animal? a car? a room? Yope - see next answer a building? Yes, but a specific part of it something indoors? Yes something outdoors? a machine? Did it got dirty after he cleaned first? Yes Is it a dog? No Is he cleaning something big? Yes Any other person relevant? Yes, one HAM Is someone who is asking for cleaning very harsh? Irrel Does he/she not sure if Tanner cleaned it and ask him to clean again? No Is Tanner considered Lazy? No Okay, Balin, I'm thinking that there is a large number, if not an infinite number, of people who clean, and of places that need to be cleaned. Very true. Please tell us: Is Tanner's job relevant? Yes Did Tanner usually clean a certain room, This or a variety of places? Or was this a special occasion, that Tanner cleaned when, normally, he would not be expected to? No Following Yatin509 [thanks there, my new friend!], Is Tanner occasionally / frequently / always supposed to report to a boss, work with a colleague, and / or deal with the public? Yes Does Tanner have the usual 9-5 job (the "usual", as we say in the States)? Yes Is his height, general looks, disabilities, expertise with languages, ability to kiss up to the boss - are any of these why Tanner is (1) getting ahead, making great progess, at his job, or (2) Does he malinger and be counter-productive, sometimes? All of this is irrelevant Shez and Yatin509 have written some subtle, and some going-right-for-the-throat questions. And both types can be useful! Balin, I am trying to think of almost everything, from coyotes to abortion doctor specialists - but I don't feel certain that I'm on the right track. Those are far from the right track, in fact. I am [excuse me, I had a cat on my lap - I'm sure you'll understand] Having two cats at home...yes, I do! I guess my next set of questions might spread some territory: Did Tanner travel (or voyage) on a boat or a ship; and/or on the high seas? No Was Tanner one of the maniacs (ahem) who climbs Everest and/or other important places? No When Tanner was young, what was his/her favorite book or movie? Irrel Wait now. The word "clean" is used throughout the fishing industry, and I should know, because last year I was paid nicely for writing an article about it. So: Will we learn more about Tanner if we throw some verbs at him? You might, but the only relevant thing about Tanner is his job. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1601 Registered: 8-2001 |
If Tanner hadn't already cleaned, he would have finished cleaning sooner, although he still would have had to ask for help. Are there two specific instances of cleaning relevant? The one he "already did"? And the one he would have finished sooner? Is Tanner: A janitor? A tech specialist? A painter (walls rather than canvasses)? Was he cleaning as in using cleaning products to remove dirt? Was he cleaning the entire room? The room itself? Or something in the room? The room - Common in homes? Offices? A garage? A kitchen? Bathroom? Bedroom? Storage room? Is the room itself large? Airplane hanger? Circus tent? Boat storage? Barn? Grainery? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 34 Registered: 6-2011 |
Was He cleaning something outdoor (terrace etc)? indoor (indoor room etc}? Is the other HAM Tanner's Boss? Relative? Friend ? Work Mate? He would need help from the same person(the other HAM)? Is some natural occurring relevant(like wind, storm etc)? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 40 Registered: 6-2011 |
Is Tanner professional in cleaning? The helper always helped him? Was it cleaned before the time it was cleaned everyday? Was it cleaned when it was not so dirty? Was it cleaned before the time it should be cleaned? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13980 Registered: 4-2010 |
If Tanner hadn't already cleaned, he would have finished cleaning sooner, although he still would have had to ask for help. Right Are there two specific instances of cleaning relevant? Not really The one he "already did"? And the one he would have finished sooner? Is Tanner: A janitor? No, but he was doing a task that a janitor typically does A tech specialist? A painter (walls rather than canvasses)? Was he cleaning as in using cleaning products Yope to remove dirt? Yes Was he cleaning the entire room? The room itself? A certain part of the room Or something in the room? The room - Hmmm - maybe "building" works better than "room." See below Common in homes? Offices? A garage? A kitchen? Bathroom? Bedroom? Storage room? Is the room itself large? YES, but none of the below Airplane hanger? Circus tent? Boat storage? Barn? Grainery? Was He cleaning something outdoor (terrace etc)? indoor (indoor room etc}? This Is the other HAM Tanner's Boss? A manager, but it could just as easily have been a co-worker Relative? Friend ? Work Mate? He would need help from the same person(the other HAM)? Yes Is some natural occurring relevant(like wind, storm etc)? No, with a tiny -ish Is Tanner professional in cleaning? Well, his job involves this particular cleaning The helper always helped him? No Was it cleaned before the time it was cleaned everyday? No Was it cleaned when it was not so dirty? NO Was it cleaned before the time it should be cleaned? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13984 Registered: 4-2010 |
To help: The building is a grocery store. What type of cleaning might Tanner be doing there? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 83 Registered: 6-2011 |
Is he cleaning a supercomputer viruses or defragmentation (just a thought)? Then the other ham computer engineer? Cleaning something technical?Floor? Registers? Glasses? The room whole? Table? Is it his office cabin? He cleaned his office drawer and then he was fired so cleaned it again(I don't know from where I get these useless thoughts anyway lets continue)? Is it big as compared a 100 sq feet room? Smaller than 10 sq feet? Relevant? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1208 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he cleaning the floor? the freezer? the window? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 84 Registered: 6-2011 |
Did something fell which he cleaned and it again fell ? Some naughty visitor in the grocery store? Store room? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 116 Registered: 7-2011 |
A grocery store! And I was about to show proof that it had to be a trainer's race-horse stables. Okay, is it that special, wonderful small person who is known as a jockey? Does he need help because (1) he needs someone tall to reach objects on a high shelf, or (2) he's Andre the Giant, and he needs help for fragile objects? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 117 Registered: 7-2011 |
Maybe Tanner is a vacuum cleaner salesman? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 118 Registered: 7-2011 |
Balin, is Tanner an actual tanner? Or a butcher? Or working on an assembly line with these skills needed? If he's, say, left-handed, or blind in one eye, or allergic or ANYthing - does he have an ailment that requires him to have a helper or colleague? Or, if I'm still far from the idea: Does the room or area that he cleans have lots of smells? When he goes home to his lady, does he need to shower first? I'm fascinated. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13985 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he cleaning a supercomputer viruses or defragmentation (just a thought)? No Then the other ham computer engineer? No Cleaning something technical? Floor? This Registers? Glasses? The room whole? Which is true for this Table? Is it his office cabin? No He cleaned his office drawer and then he was fired so cleaned it again No (I don't know from where I get these useless thoughts anyway lets continue)? Is it big as compared a 100 sq feet room? Smaller than 10 sq feet? Relevant? It was the floor of the grocery store; exact size is not relevant was he cleaning the floor? This -- see above the freezer? the window? Did something fell which he cleaned and it again fell ? No Some naughty visitor in the grocery store? In a certain way, the answer is YES. "Naughty" wouldn't be the right word though. Store room? No A grocery store! And I was about to show proof that it had to be a trainer's race-horse stables. Okay, is it that special, wonderful small person who is known as a jockey? No Does he need help because (1) he needs someone tall to reach objects on a high shelf, or (2) he's Andre the Giant, and he needs help for fragile objects? Neither Maybe Tanner is a vacuum cleaner salesman? No, and he was not vacuuming. Balin, is Tanner an actual tanner? Or a butcher? No to both Or working on an assembly line with these skills needed? No If he's, say, left-handed, or blind in one eye, or allergic or ANYthing - does he have an ailment that requires him to have a helper or colleague? No Or, if I'm still far from the idea: Does the room or area that he cleans have lots of smells? Irrel -- assume No When he goes home to his lady, does he need to shower first? Irrel I'm fascinated. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1268 Registered: 2-2011 |
Hi Balin. Are you back now? so he cleaned the floor? and then something happened which meant that he had to clean the floor again? and if he hadn't already cleaned it earlier it wouldn't have taken so long the second time? did a person enter the store? an animal? did something get spilled? did it make more of a mess than it might have because the floor was still wet? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13987 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hi Balin. Are you back now? Almost -- a few more days before I get to have my computer again. so he cleaned the floor? Yes and then something happened which meant that he had to clean the floor again? A certain part of the floor, yes and if he hadn't already cleaned it earlier it wouldn't have taken so long the second time? Yope did a person enter the store? No an animal? YES did something get spilled? No did it make more of a mess than it might have because the floor was still wet? No, FA | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1305 Registered: 2-2011 |
did something get spilled on that part of the floor he had to clean again? the animal - a mammal? bird? reptile? did it do a poo? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13993 Registered: 4-2010 |
did something get spilled on that part of the floor he had to clean again? No the animal - a mammal? bird? reptile? None of these did it do a poo? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1359 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the animal a fish? an insect? amphibian? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14003 Registered: 4-2010 |
was the animal a fish? an insect? This, or some other type of bug. Exact type of bug is irrelevant, athough it is relevant that it was large. amphibian? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1365 Registered: 2-2011 |
did someone try to swat the bug and knock something over? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14015 Registered: 4-2010 |
did someone try to swat the bug and knock something over? No. HINT: "Tanner" is actually me. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1367 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the bug knock something over? did you squish the bug and make a mess? does it help that we know Tanner is you? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14017 Registered: 4-2010 |
did the bug knock something over? No did you squish the bug and make a mess? Yes and Yes, but not necessarily in the way you think. does it help that we know Tanner is you? It might help keep you all from going too far off track, but it could be anyone. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1748 Registered: 8-2001 |
For the first floor cleaning - were you sweeping? Mopping? Rewaxing the floor? Is this relevant? For the second floor cleaning: Did you sweep? Mop? Rewax the floor? Did the bug guts eat through the floor wax and so you had to do a deeper "clean" the second time? Redo something you'd already done? Did you have to move something because of the bug squishing? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14028 Registered: 4-2010 |
For the first floor cleaning - were you sweeping? Yes Mopping? Rewaxing the floor? Is this relevant? YES For the second floor cleaning: Did you sweep? Yes and relevant Mop? Rewax the floor? Did the bug guts eat through the floor wax and so you had to do a deeper "clean" the second time? No, see above Redo something you'd already done? Yes Did you have to move something because of the bug squishing? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14067 Registered: 4-2010 |
RECAP with a few extra HINTS incorporated: I was sweeping the floor at the grocery store where I worked over the summer. Towards the end of my sweep, something happened involving a bug that meant I had to resweep part of the floor. I also had to ask for help, which would have been the case whether or not I'd had to resweep. The reason I had to ask for help involved the bug. | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 68 Registered: 7-2011 |
Did you have to ask for help because you have a phobia about this particular type of insect? I have one about grasshoppers, though, strangely, not about crickets. There must be a long Latin name for this! Was the but - pardon me, insect - still twitching? (Sorry to bring up such a gross subject!) Was it the type of insect you would NOT want to see in a grocery store, and you had to report it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14113 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you have to ask for help because you have a phobia about this particular type of insect? No I have one about grasshoppers, though, strangely, not about crickets. There must be a long Latin name for this! "Acridophobia" -- I just Googled it. Was the but - pardon me, insect - still twitching? (Sorry to bring up such a gross subject!) As it turns out, it was (yes, it was gross), but for the sake of the puzzle, assume it dead. Was it the type of insect you would NOT want to see in a grocery store, Do you want to see any type of insect in a grocery store? and you had to report it? No I'll just say the type of insect (it's not really relevant): it was a Palmetto bug, which is like a cockroach on steroids (and with wings, to boot). | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4148 Registered: 9-2010 |
keep palmetto bugz and any bugz awai frum our cheezburgurz kplzthnxbai... Were there more insects, or just the one? were there a nest of them somewhere? (do they have nests?) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14119 Registered: 4-2010 |
keep palmetto bugz and any bugz awai frum our cheezburgurz kplzthnxbai... Were there more insects, or just the one? Just one were there a nest of them somewhere? So no (do they have nests?) Don't know | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2011 |
Of all the critters one would not want to see in a grocery store, palmetto bugs/cockroaches would lead the list! Spiders, for example, I wouldn't mind. Has it been established whether you squished/squashed it accidentally or deliberately? Relevant? Thanks for adding to my vocabulary. I will remember to tell people that I am acridophobic. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14121 Registered: 4-2010 |
Of all the critters one would not want to see in a grocery store, palmetto bugs/cockroaches would lead the list! Spiders, for example, I wouldn't mind. Has it been established whether you squished/squashed it accidentally or deliberately? No, it hasn't (until now); I deliberately killed it. Relevant? Very! Thanks for adding to my vocabulary. I will remember to tell people that I am acridophobic. | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2011 |
Was the bug a female, and the egg hatched just as you squashed momma, and lots of little p.b.s were running around all over the floor? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4157 Registered: 9-2010 |
eek! *runsaway from bugz* soli kitteh...i thinkz yuo iz getz it rite mabee...but ick...kaylee kitteh no liekz explodin bugz...maik dem goez awai balin cat, kplzthnxbai... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14126 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the bug a female, and the egg hatched just as you squashed momma, and lots of little p.b.s were running around all over the floor? No, no, no. Actually I don't know what gender the bug was, but No to the rest. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1454 Registered: 2-2011 |
did you have to ask for help because you were scared? because you didn't want to kill the bug and you needed help to catch it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14128 Registered: 4-2010 |
did you have to ask for help because you were scared? No because you didn't want to kill the bug and you needed help to catch it? No | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 76 Registered: 7-2011 |
You squashed a bug - this is established, yes? You did it deliberately - this is also established. Is it relevant what you squashed it with? Your shoe? bare foot (eeuuuw)? hand? Something else? something the grocer could sell if it hadn't been used to kill a bug? Is all of this way out? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14131 Registered: 4-2010 |
You squashed a bug - this is established, yes? Right. You did it deliberately - this is also established. Also right. Is it relevant what you squashed it with? Very! Your shoe? No bare foot (eeuuuw)? No hand? No Something else? Yes something the grocer could sell if it hadn't been used to kill a bug? No Is all of this way out? No; that was an extremely relevant question! | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 79 Registered: 7-2011 |
Is it relevant what part of the store you were in? If so, office? bathroom? produce section? dairy section? canned goods,? etc. Storeroom? The murder weapon - was it "overkill", that is too large for the job? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14136 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it relevant what part of the store you were in? If so, office? bathroom? produce section? dairy section? canned goods,? etc. Storeroom? No; just that I was near the end of my sweep. The murder weapon - was it "overkill", that is too large for the job? It was, but it succeeded...eventually. | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 81 Registered: 7-2011 |
"Eventually?" That must have been some roach! ("Palmetto Bug" is just a bit of p.r. They're all roaches.) Were you using a vacuum cleaner & tried to whack it to death with that? broom (probably not effective, as they can run between the bristles)? or something like a large book? not a commputer??!! or computer-related, like a monitor? Did you drop a bag of cash on it? (Money is powerful!) OTRT or not? | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 85 Registered: 7-2011 |
Or maybe a telephone - one of those old-fashioned sits-on-a-desk phones? cell phone probably wouldn't do much good, as a full-grown palmetto bug is bigger. Well, seems that way anhhow. =) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14144 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Eventually?" That must have been some roach! ("Palmetto Bug" is just a bit of p.r. They're all roaches.) Were you using a vacuum cleaner & tried to whack it to death with that? broom (probably not effective, as they can run between the bristles)? This, but it wasn't an ordinary broom; it was a large sh*g broom. or something like a large book? not a commputer??!! or computer-related, like a monitor? Did you drop a bag of cash on it? (Money is powerful!) OTRT or not? Or maybe a telephone - one of those old-fashioned sits-on-a-desk phones? cell phone probably wouldn't do much good, as a full-grown palmetto bug is bigger. Well, seems that way anhhow. =) You've got most of it; now why did I have to re-sweep part of the floor, and why did I have to ask for help? | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 86 Registered: 7-2011 |
You tried to hit the bug with the back, or wooden, part of the broom? Or anyway, broke the broom? (Roach 1, Balin 1, tied at the bottom of the 9th) And had to ask for a replacement broom? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14153 Registered: 4-2010 |
You tried to hit the bug with the back, or wooden, part of the broom? No Or anyway, broke the broom? Yes (Roach 1, Balin 1, tied at the bottom of the 9th) And had to ask for a replacement broom? No, but close enough. I'm tired of this one. **********SPOILER********** This past summer, while in Myrtle Beach, I worked as a bagger at a Piggly Wiggly. One of my tasks was to sweep the floor every two hours or so with a large sh*g broom. One day, I was sweeping just before closing, and had nearly completed the sweep when I noticed a large palmetto bug crawling all over the broom. I immediately started slamming the broom on the ground in an attempt to kill the bug. I didn't succeed immediately at that, but I did succeed in two other things: I spread all the dust that had been under the broom all over the floor, and I managed to separate the head of the broom from the handle. But I was able to use the end of the handle (which was metal; it hooked onto the head) to behead (and de-wing) the bug. However, I needed to ask a manager for help because I did not know how to reattach the broom head, and I had to re-sweep the section of floor which now was covered in dust and dead bug. If that had happened at the beginning of the sweep, I wouldn't have had to re-sweep any part of the floor, but I still would've needed help in fixing the broom. Side note: When I swept up the bug's remains into a dustpan later, it was still twitching. Yeah, gross, I threw it out immediately. Nice work everyone, especially Shez and Solitiare. New, less gross one below. | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 88 Registered: 7-2011 |
Okay, Roach 1, Balin 2. No rematch expected! But yes, we should just drop it, or nobody will ever want to move to the South. Hmmm, maybe not such a bad idea. wonder what the Brits thought of it? as they don't use 'bug' for 'insect' there. Trust me, you don't want to find one of these in your bed. Anyway, I enjoyed the puzzle, even if you didn't enjoy the experience. |
