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Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is a new type of puzzle. A semi-rule breaker which is also a normal puzzle. Basically, you ask questions to solve the puzzle statement below. If they fit under the rule, I answer them truthfully. If they don't, I can answer them any way I want, although I will generally stay as consistent as possible with false answers to the same (or roughly the same question). Your goal is to solve the puzzle and break the rule. Here is the puzzle statement. Below it, find some examples to illustrate how this works.

If Tobias becomes a hawk, I will suddenly feel a lot older.

Now for some sample questions. I have intentionally picked some which are irrelevant to the puzzle to avoid giving any answers away. However, note that just because I say a question fits the rule or doesn't fit the rule doesn't mean it actually would or wouldn't if you asked it.

The following questions will by hypothetically assumed to fit the rule. As such, all answers are truthful for the purposes of this hypothetical illustration.
Is Tobias a llama? No
Tobias = a llama? No
Are you Tobias? Yes
Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old? 32
Is Tobias dead? No

And the following will be assumed to be not fitting the rule and as such, answers may not be true (for this hypothetical example)

Tobias = llama Yes
Is Tobias a kind of llama? Yes
Tobias = You? No
Is Tobias alive Yes (Note that I CAN answer truthfully to questions which don't fit the rule, but I don't have to)
Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old? between five and seven

Once again, the above questions and answers should not be seen as following the rule. Feel free to ask them again if you want them answered properly.

And as a reminder, questions about the rule should be asked in italics
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2011 - 10:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm... In the first set of questions, "Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old?" is considered to fit, but in the second set, it's considered not to fit...
Is that an error?
If not, is the order of the questions relevant?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 3:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm... In the first set of questions, "Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old?" is considered to fit, but in the second set, it's considered not to fit...
Is that an error?
If not, is the order of the questions relevant?
It's an error, I should have rephrased it. However, the above sample questions are just that - samples, and the answers may not even be what they would have been if they were really asked. And I wouldn't tell you if they fit or not either. So why not ask the question for real? And order of the questions is irrelevant.
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, then :-)

Is Tobias a llama?
Tobias = a llama?
Are you Tobias?
Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old?
Is Tobias dead?
Tobias = llama?
Is Tobias a kind of llama?
Tobias = You?
Is Tobias alive?
Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old?
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 4:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are questions about the things/people mentioned in the puzzle statement the only kind that can be answered, or will the usual rulebreaker questions apply? for example, A? B? C?...Z? and so on...
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 2:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Tobias a llama? Yes
Tobias = a llama? No
Are you Tobias? No
Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old? 18
Is Tobias dead? No
Tobias = llama? Yes
Is Tobias a kind of llama? Yes
Tobias = You? No
Is Tobias alive? No
Is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers] years old? 18

are questions about the things/people mentioned in the puzzle statement the only kind that can be answered, or will the usual rulebreaker questions apply? for example, A? B? C?...Z? and so on... For now, ask questions to solve the puzzle. I may permit standard rule-breaker questions once the puzzle has been $poyled. However, of course, you may ask questions about the rule in italics any time you want.
Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How old is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers]?
Is Tobias 18 years old?
Is Tobias 18?
Tobias = 18?
Tobias = 18 years old?

Is Tobias HAM?
Is Tobias H/A/M?
Is Tobias H/A/F?
Is Tobias human?
Is Tobias adult?
Is Tobias male?
Tobias = human?
Tobias = a human?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 - 11:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Note: to make things easier for you, from here on out, when the question does not fit the rule, I will always answer FALSELY. This necessitates me changing the following answer, which, in case you couldn't figure it out, means that this question does NOT fit the rule. It also should give away whether or not another question fits the rule although I won't reveal that. Also, if the question you ask is irrelevant, I will give a relevant answer when you ask it in a way that doesn't fit the rule. It will always be the same fake answer when it doesn't fit the rule. This may provide a way for you to crack at the rule. However, they have to be real questions and not just "Z?" or something. It can be obviously irrelevant, but it has to be legitimate.

Are you Tobias? Yes


How old is Tobias [LTPF List of Integers]? 32
Is Tobias 18 years old? Yes
Is Tobias 18? Yes
Tobias = 18? No
Tobias = 18 years old? No

Is Tobias HAM? Yes
Is Tobias H/A/M? No
Is Tobias H/A/F? Yes
Is Tobias human? Yes
Is Tobias adult? No
Is Tobias male? No
Tobias = human? No
Tobias = a human? No

I have also discovered a scenario by which a CA could exist. We will most likely reach that scenario at some point in this puzzle. If so, I will say CA since it would be hard to classify whether it fits the rule or not.
Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Will Tobias become a hawk?
Is Tobias likely to become a hawk?
Is Tobias likely to become a bird?
Is Tobias likely to become a bear?
Might Tobias become a hawk?
Might Tobias become a bear?

"You" = Gregoryuconn?
Does "you" (in the puzzle statement) equal Gregoryuconn?
Does "you" equal Gregoryuconn?
Does "you" equal the puzzle host?
Is "you" the same person as Gregoryuconn?
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, I'm back guys. Sorry I missed out on this. Unfortunately, I have forgotten both the rule and the solution to this, so unless I told anyone and forgot about it, I'm going to have to let this one die.

And just so it gets archived:
*******SPOILER*********

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