| Author | Message | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 972 Registered: 7-2006 |
Bill was beaten and became a rich man. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1624 Registered: 9-2009 |
Bill - H? A? M? Beaten - as in physically beaten? Or rather beaten at a contest? Rich - as in having more money? More things easy to be turned into cash by selling? More wisdom? Is the location relevant? The time? Is this a true story? Any other people relevant? The one(s) who beat Bill -- one person? More than one? Was he beaten, but not by a particular person? Is Bill famous (provided that this is a true story)? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 973 Registered: 7-2006 |
Rbruma, Bill - H? A? M? HUMAN, ADULT, MALE Beaten - as in physically beaten? YES Or rather beaten at a contest? NO Rich - as in having more money? YES More things easy to be turned into cash by selling? YES More wisdom? NO Is the location relevant? POSSIBLY A LITTLE The time? YES Is this a true story? YES Any other people relevant? YES The one(s) who beat Bill -- one person? I THINK NOT More than one? PROBABLY Was he beaten, but not by a particular person? YES (I THINK) Is Bill famous (provided that this is a true story)? NOT VERY | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1215 Registered: 2-2011 |
is compensation relevant? was his becoming rich actually connected with having been beaten? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 974 Registered: 7-2006 |
Shez, is compensation relevant? YES was his becoming rich actually connected with having been beaten? YES | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1630 Registered: 8-2001 |
Very nice to see you, mon capitan! I always enjoy your puzzles. Was Bill beaten once? More than once? Was he beaten with bare hands? With objects? Is this relevant? Is it relevant who beat him? Time period: 21st century? 20th? 19th? 14th-18th? Middle ages? Ancient History (Greece, Rome, Egypt etc.)? Is time of day of the beating important? Day? Evening? Night? Very late night? Did Bill report the beating to the police? Was the person(s) responsible apprehended? Did Bill receive compensation from his attackers? Did Bill receive notoriety as a result? And this resulted in him getting money Did Bill get some other benefit from the beating? Other relevant people: One? More than one? HAM? HAF? Involved in the beating? Bill’s family? Co-workers? Is Bill’s profession relevant? Is his nationality/country of residence relevant? Is the time between the beating and Bill becoming rich relevant? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 975 Registered: 7-2006 |
Vesica, Was Bill beaten once? NO More than once? YES Was he beaten with bare hands? POSSIBLY With objects? YES Is this relevant? NOT MUCH Is it relevant who beat him? YES Time period: 21st century? 20th? 19th? NO 14th-18th? YES Middle ages? NO Ancient History (Greece, Rome, Egypt etc.)? NO Is time of day of the beating important? NO Day? Evening? Night? Very late night? Did Bill report the beating to the police? NO Was the person(s) responsible apprehended? NO Did Bill receive compensation from his attackers? NO Did Bill receive notoriety as a result? POSSIBLY And this resulted in him getting money NO Did Bill get some other benefit from the beating? YES Other relevant people: One? YES More than one? OTHERS BUT NOT SO IMPORTANT HAM? HAF? HUMAN, ADULT, MALE Involved in the beating? Bill’s family? Co-workers? NO Is Bill’s profession relevant? MAYBE Is his nationality/country of residence relevant? YES Is the time between the beating and Bill becoming rich relevant? YES Days? Weeks? Months? Years? YEARS Decades? POSSIBLY | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3950 Registered: 9-2010 |
14th century? 15th? 16th? 17th? 18th? Was Bill a child when the beating occurred? A teenager? a young man? Was he a young man or an old man when he became rich? did Bill invent something because of the beating? did he become nobility? royalty? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 976 Registered: 7-2006 |
Kaylee, 14th century? 15th? 16th? 17th? 18th? 17TH Was Bill a child when the beating occurred? YES A teenager? YES a young man? NO Was he a young man or an old man when he became rich? YOUNG MAN did Bill invent something because of the beating? NO did he become nobility? royalty? NO | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3953 Registered: 9-2010 |
was Bill 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? 17th...so, the 1600's. Was Bill's right name William? But as Bill is not famous, not Will Shakespeare? Was Bill from England, nevertheless? Scotland? Ireland? Wales? France? Elsewhere in Europe? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 977 Registered: 7-2006 |
Kaylee, was Bill 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? AT SOME STAGE YES 17th...so, the 1600's. Was Bill's right name William? CORRECT But as Bill is not famous, not Will Shakespeare? CORRECT Was Bill from England, nevertheless? YES Scotland? Ireland? Wales? France? Elsewhere in Europe? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3954 Registered: 9-2010 |
Let me rephrase that first question, and add more: When he was beaten the first time, was Bill 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? was he beaten many times over the years? has he got any connection to famous people? family members? friends? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 978 Registered: 7-2006 |
Kaylee, Let me rephrase that first question, and add more: When he was beaten the first time, was Bill 13? 14? 15? 16? 17? 18? 19? YOUNGER was he beaten many times over the years? YES has he got any connection to famous people? YES family members? friends? NO, YES | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1220 Registered: 2-2011 |
was Bill beaten at school? by his parents? a relative? is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 979 Registered: 7-2006 |
Shez, was Bill beaten at school? YES by his parents? a relative? NO is this a true story? YES FYOI? FSEI? ????? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1223 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he tell his story to someone who then put it into a book? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3958 Registered: 9-2010 |
FYOI = from your own imagination? FSEI = from someone else's imagination? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 980 Registered: 7-2006 |
Shez, did he tell his story to someone who then put it into a book? NO | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1640 Registered: 8-2001 |
So Bill was beaten as a child/teenager... Beaten by schoolmasters? Priests? Monks? (Nuns?) Is Bill an apprentice being beaten by his master? Did Bill make his money: Through marriage? Through patronage or gift of the monarch? Through trade? Through an invention? Is a monarch relevant here? Succession to the throne? Is Bill's social class relevant? Does his class change durin this puzzle? Bill is not famous, but he is known - since you know the story. Is it relevant how he is known? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 981 Registered: 7-2006 |
Vesica, So Bill was beaten as a child/teenager... CORRECT Beaten by schoolmasters? YES Priests? Monks? (Nuns?) MAYBE - DON'T KNOW Is Bill an apprentice being beaten by his master? NO Did Bill make his money: Through marriage? NO Through patronage or gift of the monarch? YES Through trade? Through an invention? NO Is a monarch relevant here? YES Succession to the throne? NO Is Bill's social class relevant? NO Does his class change durin this puzzle? DON'T KNOW Bill is not famous, but he is known - since you know the story. Is it relevant how he is known? A LITTLE | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1650 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is the specific monarch relevant? Is the specific monarch: Elizabeth I? James I? Charles I? Charles II? James II? William & Mary? Is Bill's profession relevant? Did the beatings lead directly to his becoming rich? Or was the main effect of the beatings to make him pay attention in school, thus gaining the skills he later turned to a profession, which made him rich? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 982 Registered: 7-2006 |
Vesica, Is the specific monarch relevant? YES Is the specific monarch: Elizabeth I? James I? Charles I? YES Charles II? James II? William & Mary? Is Bill's profession relevant? NO Did the beatings lead directly to his becoming rich? YES (OR ALMOST DIRECTLY) Or was the main effect of the beatings to make him pay attention in school, thus gaining the skills he later turned to a profession, which made him rich? NO | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 152 Registered: 7-2011 |
Excuse me if I missed some clues! Did Bill deserve the beating? A week later, would Bill say he deserved the beating? Is Bill's relationships with family relevent? Is Bill's relationships with animals relevent? Does our modern language contain a saying, or a famous (or not) quote that concerns what happened to Bill, or what Bill said later? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 983 Registered: 7-2006 |
Fiona, Did Bill deserve the beating? NO A week later, would Bill say he deserved the beating? NO Is Bill's relationships with family relevent? NO Is Bill's relationships with animals relevent? NO Does our modern language contain a saying, or a famous (or not) quote that concerns what happened to Bill, or what Bill said later? NO | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1244 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the famous person he knows Charles I or are we looking for another person as well? did Bill work for him? was he a courtier? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 984 Registered: 7-2006 |
Shez, is the famous person he knows Charles I YES or are we looking for another person as well? NO did Bill work for him? EFFECTIVELY YES was he a courtier? NO | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1661 Registered: 8-2001 |
*brushes up on this period of English history* Establishment of the Commonwealth relevant? Execution of Charles I relevant? Bill's profession: Landowner/Lord of the Manor? Overseas trade? The church? Advisor to the court/king? House of Commons (did they have this yet??)? The arts? Did Bill live in teh country? The city? Little of both? Did he make his money within England? Or overseas? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 985 Registered: 7-2006 |
Vesica, Establishment of the Commonwealth relevant? Execution of Charles I relevant? NO Bill's profession: Landowner/Lord of the Manor? YES Overseas trade? The church? Advisor to the court/king? House of Commons (did they have this yet??)? The arts? NO Did Bill live in the country? NO The city? YES Little of both? Did he make his money within England? YES Or overseas? NO | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1270 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he a landowner before he received compensation for being beaten? did he receive financial compensation? land? property? something else? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 986 Registered: 7-2006 |
Shez, was he a landowner before he received compensation for being beaten? NO (I think) did he receive financial compensation? land? property? something else? YES, YES, YES, NO I AM OFF TO BARCELONA FOR A FEW DAYS SO THERE MAY BE A DELAY IN REPLYS TO THE NEXT FEW QUESTIONS. PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1280 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he a commoner? (before the compensation)he must have been quite well to do before that as he went to school in the first place? or was he not a pupil but someone who worked in the school? presumably many boys were beaten but did not get compensation - was there something special about Bill? or the person who beat him? was he beaten by Charles II? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 987 Registered: 7-2006 |
Shez, was he a commoner? PROBABLY - HE WAS NOT TITLED. (before the compensation)he must have been quite well to do before that as he went to school in the first place? NOT NECESSARILY or was he not a pupil but someone who worked in the school? QUITE POSSIBLY presumably many boys were beaten but did not get compensation CORRECT was there something special about Bill? YES or the person who beat him? NO was he beaten by Charles II? NO - HE WAS NOT BEATEN BY ANY ROYAL PERSON | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 719 Registered: 2-2009 |
Was Bill a whipping boy? for Charles I? Was it customary for whipping boys to be given lots of money at the end of their time as whipping boys? Or did Bill's becoming rich come about under special/specific circumstances? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4005 Registered: 9-2010 |
"Was Bill a whipping boy?" I should have thought of that, Kalira..."The Whipping Boy" was one of my favourite books in elementary school...has anyone else here read it, I wonder? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 720 Registered: 2-2009 |
At the risk of throwing this puzzle off topic, the answer to your question is absolutle, Kaylee. Read it many times, and I think I still have a copy in my 'books from my childhood that I need to go through' box. The questions here reminded me of the book, so I figured it couldn't hurt to ask :-) Also, given that we're basically the same age, we could probably start entire puzzles that the other (but not the older/younger ones hereabouts) would know the answer to right away... hmm... I think I may have to try that. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4006 Registered: 9-2010 |
...I remember the cutthroats smelled like onions and garlic. Should have smelled like cheezburgur. *giggles at Kalira kitteh* =D Hehe, maybe we can continue this in email, or something. :D what do you think? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 989 Registered: 7-2006 |
* * * SPOILER *** Was Bill a whipping boy? for Charles I? Kalira - Yes. William Murray was the whipping boy for Charles I. Whenever the young prince was naughty or disobedient it was poor William who was whipped. Charles and William became lifelong friends and Charles gave William the house and grounds at Ham in Richmond. Ham House is an excellent place to visit and remains the one of the finest Jacobean houses and gardens you can find anywhere. | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 990 Registered: 7-2006 |
More on William and Ham House here http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-hamhouse/w-hamhouse-history.htm | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4007 Registered: 9-2010 |
Hey, Kalira got it! =D Excellent puzzle, Admin! (And now the title makes sense, LOL!) *clicks on link* | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1687 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hooray for learning something! Was not aware of that tradition and the house looks really cool. Will have to put it on my list for next time I hop the pond. |
