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This is a common scrund about American history, & you don't have to be American to have it. What is it?
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does it relate to how history is taught? to what is taught?
does it relate to a specific episode in american history?
does it relate to native americans? the british?
does it relate to the dates between which people think 'american history' lies?
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does it relate to how history is taught? yope to what is taught? yes
does it relate to a specific episode in american history? yes
does it relate to native americans? nothe british? no
does it relate to the dates between which people think 'american history' lies? no
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do we need to know anything about american history to get this? if so I'm going to fail!!

the specific episode - century - 21st? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? before?

is the scrund that the piece of history is not taught, while it is? or vice versa?
is the scrund that it is not taught correctly, while it is? or vice versa?
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do we need to know anything about american history to get this? if so I'm going to fail!! I'd be surprised if you didn't know enough for thispuzzle

the specific episode - century - 21st? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? before?19th

is the scrund that the piece of history is not taught, while it is? noor vice versa? no
is the scrund that it is not taught correctly, while it is? or vice versa?
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is the scrund that it is not taught correctly, while it is? noor vice versa yes--that's part of the scrund?
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is this about the american civil war? does it relate to slavery?
does this relate to the reasons for the war?

so people commonly think something is taught correctly, when actually it isn't?
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is this about the american civil war?yope does it relate to slavery? no
does this relate to the reasons for the war? no

so people commonly think something is taught correctly, when actually it isn't? yes
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Relating to the Lincoln assissination? to income tax? to weaponry? traspoertation? (wild guess) balloons?
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Relating to the Lincoln assissination? yes to income tax? no to weaponry? no traspoertation? no (wild guess) balloons? no
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That Lincoln died instantly after being shot? When it took a bit of time for the wound to kill him?
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Related to anyone else who was present in Ford's Theater?
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That Lincoln died instantly after being shot? irrelWhen it took a bit of time for the wound to kill him? ditto
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Related to anyone else who was present in Ford's Theater? no
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Booth's fellow conspirators relevant? Sic Semper Tyrannis relevant? The fact that it is sometimes translated incorrectly as "Death to Tyrants"

Anything to do with the unusual coincidences between Lincoln & Kennedy's lives and deaths?

Did you think Lincoln was buried at Arlington?
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Booth's fellow conspirators relevant? no Sic Semper Tyrannis relevant? no The fact that it is sometimes translated incorrectly as "Death to Tyrants" no

Anything to do with the unusual coincidences between Lincoln & Kennedy's lives and deaths? no

Did you think Lincoln was buried at Arlington? no
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Booth's death relevant?
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Is Booth actually relevant to the scrund?

Does the scrund have to do with the specific series of events that happened that night in Ford's Theatre? events before that night? after?

Had Lincoln been poisoned at Ford's Theatre could you still have this scrund? If you had witnessed the assassination could you still have this scrund ?

Anything to do with the impact of the assassination ? Lincolns legacy? His popularity?

How about the fact that assassinated leaders tend to be romanticised and their virtues exagerrated? (in my opinion I hasten to add)

Is it possible to have this scrund about McKinley? Garfield? Kennedy?

p.s. for some reason I love puzzles about American Presidents.
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Booth's death relevant? noish
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Is Booth actually relevant to the scrund? yes

Does the scrund have to do with the specific series of events that happened that night in Ford's Theatre? yopeevents before that night?yope after? noish or yope

Had Lincoln been poisoned at Ford's Theatre could you still have this scrund? yesIf you had witnessed the assassination could you still have this scrund ? yes

Anything to do with the impact of the assassination ? noish Lincolns legacy? noHis popularity? no

How about the fact that assassinated leaders tend to be romanticised and their virtues exagerrated? irrel (in my opinion I hasten to add)

Is it possible to have this scrund about McKinley? Garfield? Kennedy? Sorry, I don't know!

p.s. for some reason I love puzzles about American Presidents. We aim to please!!
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Was the assassination planned in advance? Spur of the moment? Is either of these the scrund?
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Was the assassination planned in advance? irrelSpur of the moment? irrelIs either of these the scrund? no
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Does it relate to the family of Lincoln? Of Booth?
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is the scrund about the supposed reason for the assassination?
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Lincoln was assassinated just after the end of the Civil War. Relevant? Do people think it happened during the war?
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Relilgion involved?
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Does it relate to the family of Lincoln? no Of Booth? no
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is the scrund about the supposed reason for the assassination? no
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Lincoln was assassinated just after the end of the Civil War. Relevant? no Do people think it happened during the war? no
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Relilgion involved? no
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Does the scrund involve the actual method of the assassination?
Anyone relevant besides Lincoln and Booth?
If the assassination had taken place in modern times, would we have this scrund? If it had happened in another location (in a park, for example)?
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Does the scrund involve the actual method of the assassination? no
Anyone relevant besides Lincoln and Booth?yes
If the assassination had taken place in modern times, would we have this scrund? just as likely If it had happened in another location (in a park, for example)? ditto
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Other relevant persons: at Ford's Theater? Another politician?
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Other relevant persons: at Ford's Theater? noAnother politician? yope
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The other involved person is yopishly a politician? Or a politician is yopishly involved?
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The other involved person is yopishly a politician?\ Or a politician is yopishly involved? both, but you're also making a false assumption
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Hm- more than one relevant person then?
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Hm- more than one relevant person then? yes
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Are the other relevant persons the other potential (and actual) victims?
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Are the other relevant persons the other potential (and actual) victims no
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Is there more than one other person involved? [LTPF list of integers]? And [LTPF list of integers] of them are politicians? VP Andrew Johnson relevant? I seem to recall reading that Booth's fellow assassins had planned (but not succeeded) to assassinate both Johnson and secretary of State William Seward, thus creating a crisis over who would be president. Is this relevant? But then again, that would be less likely to happen in modern times due to the more detailed order of succession, which would to go the Speaker of the House if the President and VP would die, then to the President Pro Tempore, etc...
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Is there more than one other person involved? not a definite number (By the way, does the LTPF really need to offer a list of integers? How many members don't know what the integers are??) [LTPF list of integers]? And [LTPF list of integers] of them are politicians? They're all at least yopishly politicians VP Andrew Johnson relevant? no I seem to recall reading that Booth's fellow assassins had planned (but not succeeded) to assassinate both Johnson and secretary of State William Seward, thus creating a crisis over who would be president. Is this relevant? no--I didn't even know it But then again, that would be less likely to happen in modern times due to the more detailed order of succession, which would to go the Speaker of the House if the President and VP would die, then to the President Pro Tempore, etc... order of succession is irrel
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The relevant group of "yope" politicians- a political party? The Republicans?
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Does yopish politicians = government employees?
Such as Lincoln's bodyguards?
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The relevant group of "yope" politicians- a political party? no The Republicans? no
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Does yopish politicians = government employees? yesish
Such as Lincoln's bodyguards? no
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would 'government employees' include the army? Navy? nurses/doctors? spies?
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would 'government employees' include the army? Navy? nurses/doctors? spies? None of these people is involved
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Did these employees work in the White House (or Executive Mansion)?
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Did these employees work in the White House (or Executive Mansion)? no
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Are they groundskeepers?
Has it been established that they are HAMs? or HAFs? (Sometimes with politicians you can't be sure about the HA part!)
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Are they groundskeeper no
Has it been established that they are HAMs? yes or HAFs?most are men (Sometimes with politicians you can't be sure about the HA part!) and how!!
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Yopish politicians/ government employees- related to law enforcement? education? judicial system?

Elected position? Appointed?
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Yopish politicians/ government employees- related to law enforcement? no education? nojudicial system? yes

Elected position?I doubt it Appointed? yes
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Related to the judges who tried the conspirators?
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Related to the judges who tried the conspirators?yope
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Is a medical doctor relevant?
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If Solitaire's question is right, I think I know this. Should I email?
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Should I?
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Is a medical doctor relevant? no
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If Solitaire's question is right, I think I know this. Should I email? n/a
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Should I? If you think you know the solution, please feel free to offer it right on the forum!
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All right.
Prepares to be covered in glory - or mud - either of which should be shared with Balin, I'm sure.

A Dr. Mudd was tried as a conspirator because he treated John Wilkes Booth's injuries. This is said to be the origin of the saying "My (his/her/their) name is mud."
???
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their name is mudd surely?
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All right.
Prepares to be covered in glory - or mud - either of which should be shared with Balin, I'm sure.

A Dr. Mudd was tried as a conspirator because he treated John Wilkes Booth's injuries. This is said to be the origin of the saying "My (his/her/their) name is mud." irrel, but interesting. I assumed that "His name is mud" had to do with the ickiness of mud as a substance. So that's another scrund!
???
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their name is mudd surely? irrel
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That was my thought too.

Are the precise circumstances of the assassination relevant? The fact that Lincoln was at the theater? In a private box? Is the play he was watching (Our American Cousin) relevant?
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That was my thought too.

Are the precise circumstances of the assassination relevant? no The fact that Lincoln was at the theater? noIn a private box? no Is the play he was watching (Our American Cousin) relevant? no
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HINT: Many forum members' questions have revealed that those members have this scrund.
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Events prior to the assassination relevant?
During?
After?

If before:days before? weeks? months? years?
If after: days? weeks? months? years?
If during: location? timing? sequence of events? people involved?

Or perhaps the scrund is that Lincoln is still alive somewhere in Bermuda?
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Or perhaps the scrund is that Lincoln is still alive somewhere in Bermuda? LOL!!!

I can honestly say...I have no idea yet, so I'll wait on Ciaobella's q's to be answered =) But this is a cool puzzle!!
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Events prior to the assassination relevant? no
During? no
After? yes

If before:days before? weeks? months? years?
If after: days? weeks? months? years? any, but days would be least relevant
If during: location? timing? sequence of events? people involved?

Or perhaps the scrund is that Lincoln is still alive somewhere in Bermuda?Should I say he's actuaslly in Trinadad?
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Or perhaps the scrund is that Lincoln is still alive somewhere in Bermuda? LOL!!!

I can honestly say...I have no idea yet, so I'll wait on Ciaobella's q's to be answered =) But this is a cool puzzle!! Thanks--the solution will be fun too. . . I think!!
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Related to the trial? If so, the jury? The judge?

Related to laws that may have passed as a result?
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Related to the trial? yesish If so, the jury? yesish The judge? yesish

Related to laws that may have passed as a result? no
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Related to defendant? lawyers? sentencing? charges?
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Or was there a trial? My knowledge of American history is pitiful.
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Related to defendant?see below lawyers? see below sentencing?see below charges? see below
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Or was there a trial?There was no trialMy knowledge of American history is pitiful.
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Is the Lincoln memorial relevant? Did you confuse the Lincoln statue with a Lincoln Statute?

Daft I know but it's all I could of.

Is Lincoln Nebraska relevant?
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Is the Lincoln memorial relevant?no Did you confuse the Lincoln statue with a Lincoln Statute? no

Daft I know but it's all I could of.

Is Lincoln Nebraska relevant? No, but I gave a talk at the university there once, & it's a very nice place!
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So if there was no trial, then Booth was never officially convicted of the crime- is that the scrund?
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So if there was no trial, then Booth was never officially convicted of the crime- is that the scrund? That's the fact that underlies the scrund, & this is close enough for me to declare a

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A fundamental principle of the US legal system is that everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Booth was never convicted of Lincoln's murder, so it is really improper to call him Lincoln's assassin, although people generally do. But I don't!!
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Fair point Nimue and I suppose the same goes for Oswald.
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You bet!
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Good puz.zle, and good point.
But it doesn't work the other way round, as too many people think. For example, if Booth (Oswald) had been tried, and found "not guilty by reason of insanity" that woulld not mean he was innocent, or that the crime never took place. It just means that the killer couldn't be held culpable. Saying "alleged killer" or, worse, "alleged murder" would indicate to some literal minds that you thought no crime took place.
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Interesting point!!

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