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14-year-old Elinda may seem to have ideal parents. They give her lots of attention and concern whenever she wants it, but they leave it entirely up to her whether to come home for dinner and even whether to stay out all night. She is delighted with this, until she realizes that. . . .
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That...hmm...

Elinda = human female?

True story? FYOI? FSEI?
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... they don't give her any money to spend?
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... that, as star of the TV show that her parents run, she had better shape up? :D

Is she involved in the arts?
In sports?
Including cheerleading, gymnastics?
In special academic programs?

Does she have a boyfriend who is related to this situation?

Are other members of the family relevent?
Is she a twin?
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that they don't care what happens to her?
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That...hmm...

Elinda = human female? yes

True story? FYOI? FSEI? it's based on my family
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... they don't give her any money to spend? no
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... that, as star of the TV show that her parents run, she had better shape up? noo:D

Is she involved in the arts? irrel
In sports? ditto
Including cheerleading, gymnastics? ditto
In special academic programs? dotto

Does she have a boyfriend who is related to this situation? no

Are other members of the family relevent? no
Is she a twinb{ irrel}
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that they don't care what happens to her? no--the idea that liberal parents don't care about their kids is a myth to justify authoritarianism, I think
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until she realises that making decisions for oneself can be harder than having them made for you? that making decisions for oneself means you have no one to blame when things go wrong?
that making decisons for oneself may mean you are more cautious?
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that she has nothing to rebel against?
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until she realises that making decisions for oneself can be harder than having them made for you? that making decisions for oneself means you have no one to blame when things go wrong? no
that making decisons for oneself may mean you are more cautious? no
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that she has nothing to rebel against? no
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Does her realization concern her? Her parents? Their reasons for allowing her to stay out late?
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Is her realization more on a practical level? She can stay up as late as she wants to, but she will also be responsible for getting herself up and off to school in the morning? Without hitting the snooze button more than once? OTRT? OTWT?
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Does her realization concern her? yesHer parents? yes Their reasons for allowing her to stay out late? yes
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Is her realization more on a practical level? noShe can stay up as late as she wants to, but she will also be responsible for getting herself up and off to school in the morning? no Without hitting the snooze button more than once? no OTRT? no OTWT? yes
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Is there some financial advantage to the parents that Elinda stays out later? Or social advantage? Like more time alone? Or more time to spend with friends/hobbies?
Is it actually better for the parents the longer Elinda stays out? Or the more often she stays out?
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Is there some financial advantage to the parents that Elinda stays out later? no Or social advantage? no Like more time alone? noOr more time to spend with friends/hobbies? no
Is it actually better for the parents the longer Elinda stays out? no Or the more often she stays out? no
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Is their reason for acting like this detrimental to her? Is she in some kind of danger? Are her parents deceiving her? Is her future relevant?
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Based on the title.... libertarianism relevant?
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Is their reason for acting like this detrimental to her? noishIs she in some kind of danger? noAre her parents deceiving her? no Is her future relevant? yesish
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Based on the title.... libertarianism relevant?not in the political sense, just in the social sense of not putting lots of restrictions on your children
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Is her realization correct? Does her parents care that she knows the reason? Did they hide the reason? Relevant what they do when she's away? Relevant what she does when she's away? Money involved? Do they want to save on food by having her stay (and eat) at friends? Or save on some other expense?
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Is her realization correct? yes Does her parents care that she knows the reason? probably Did they hide the reason?no Relevant what they do when she's away? no Relevant what she does when she's away? yes Money involved? noDo they want to save on food by having her stay (and eat) at friends? no Or save on some other expense? no
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Are the parents secretly monitoring the girl while she is away from home?
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Are the parents secretly monitoring the girl while she is away from home? no
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do they want her to be independent because they won't always be around to look out for her?
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do they want her to be independent because they won't always be around to look out for her? irrel
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"Relevant what she does when she's away? yes"

Does this activity get her into trouble?
Do her parents know about this activity?
Is it something that she does or something that she doesn't do that is relevant?
Is transportation relevant?

Does she become concerned as a teenager? As an adult? (I do not know your age)

Upon this realization, is she...
upset?
afraid?
angry?
sad?
irritated?
bored?
embarrassed?
Same list for her parents, please

Is this something she just suddenly thought of? Or did something occur to bring about the realization?

Does her realization deal with future...
friends?
teachers/ professors?
bosses?
romantic interests?
offspring?
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"Relevant what she does when she's away? yes"

Does this activity get her into trouble? no
Do her parents know about this activity? yes
Is it something that she does or something that she doesn't do that is relevant? something that she doesn't do
Is transportation relevant? no

Does she become concerned as a teenager? probably As an adult? yes (I do not know your age)

Upon this realization, is she...responses are indicated as follows: for her, for parents
upset? a little, no
afraid? no, no
angry? probably not, no
sad?yesish, no
irritated? yes, no
bored? no, no
embarrassed? yes, no
Same list for her parents, please

Is this something she just suddenly thought of? irrel Or did something occur to bring about the realization? ditto

Does her realization deal with future... not specific to any of these
friends?
teachers/ professors?
bosses?
romantic interests?
offspring?
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Is there something that she does when a home which the parents would rather she didn't? Like playing music loudly? Playing computer games? Having heating/lights on constantly?
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Is there something that she does when a home which the parents would rather she didn't? Like playing music loudly? Playing computer games? Having heating/lights on constantly? no to all
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Any other relevant people besides the girl and her parents?
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Any other relevant people besides the girl and her parents? yope or noish
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The girl's friends? Does she hang out with her friends while not at home?
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The girl's friends?possibly Does she hang out with her friends while not at home? ditto
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Does this girl genuinely stay out late at times? Miss dinner sometimes? Stay out all night sometimes?
Are the parents actually unbothered by her staying out?
Would this be the same if she stayed out for several days?
Is she in some way monitored by the parents when she goes out?
Does any specific relevant person accompany her?
Or any specific relevant item?
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does she realise that she's never stayed out late or not been home for dinner? because she doesn't want to? because she has no-one to be with late at night? because none of her friends are allowed?
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Does this girl genuinely stay out late at times? yes Miss dinner sometimes? often Stay out all night sometimes?yes but very rarely
Are the parents actually unbothered by her staying out? yes
Would this be the same if she stayed out for several days? I don't know--I'm Elinda & I never did that
Is she in some way monitored by the parents when she goes out? no
Does any specific relevant person accompany her? no
Or any specific relevant item? no
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does she realise that she's never stayed out late or not been home for dinner? false assumption. She does stay out late & miss dinner because she doesn't want to? no because she has no-one to be with late at night? no because none of her friends are allowed?no
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Are her parents happy when she comes to this realization? Do they experience any positive emotion? Negative emotion? Or are they pretty neutral?
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Are her parents happy when she comes to this realization?It's irrel whether they even know that she comes to this realization. If they do know, they may be a bit unhappy but another emotion is more likely Do they experience any positive emotion? yope (probably) Negative emotion?see previous answers Or are they pretty neutral? see previous answers
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if her parents did know, would they be satisfied that their decisions had achieved the required result? or dissatisfied?

is the other emotion a negative one? anger? despair? frustration?
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if her parents did know, would they be satisfied that their decisions had achieved the required result?noish or dissatisfied? yope

is the other emotion a negative one? no anger? nodespair? no frustration? no
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amused?
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amused? yes--that was main reaction in my family
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did you realise that you were quite happy to eat dinner at home and come home at a reasonable hour?
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did you realise that you were quite happy to eat dinner at home and come home at a reasonable hour? no
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Had other members of your family (besides you and your parents) come to this realization? Relevant? If so, relevant which family member?

Would it help to figure out what you did while away from the house?
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Had other members of your family (besides you and your parents) come to this realization? irrelRelevant? no If so, relevant which family member? n/a

Would it help to figure out what you did while away from the house? yes--& it's even more relevant what my parents thought I did
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I take it that what you did and what your parents thought you did are two different things?

What you did- you did alone? with others? outdoors? indoors? technology relevant?

What your parents thought- you did alone? with others? outdoors? indoors? technology relevant?
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I take it that what you did and what your parents thought you did are two different things? no!!

What you did- you did alone?usually not with others?usually outdoors? usually not indoors? usually technology relevant? no

What your parents thought- you did alone? with others? outdoors? indoors? technology relevant?same answers as above, of course
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were you studying? boarding at school?
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were you studying? sometimes but not usually boarding at school? no
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Did your parents think you were studying? Every time you were out? (or most times?)
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Did your parents think you were studying? not necessarilyEvery time you were out? (or most times?)Remember, they had an accurate idea of what I was doing
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Were you gainfully employed?
Is transportation involved?
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Were you gainfully employed? no
Is transportation involved? irrel
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Did you think that they thought that you were doing something else (for example- you were going to parties; they knew you were going to parties; you thought they thought you were going to the library)?

I hope that didn't sound too confusing!
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Were you gainfully employed? no
Is transportation involved? irrel
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Did you think that they thought that you were doing something else (for example- you were going to parties; they knew you were going to parties; you thought they thought you were going to the library)? no. I knew that they had a basically accurate view of what I was doing.

I hope that didn't sound too confusing!
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Did the way they felt about it surprise you? The reason they felt that way?
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Did the way they felt about it surprise you? no. alasThe reason they felt that way? ditto
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BTW, were you an only child? Relevant?
If not, with older sibling(s)? younger? Relevant?
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BTW, were you an only child? irrelRelevant? no
If not, with older sibling(s)? irrel younger? irrelRelevant? no
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Do your parents get some sort of advantage from your absence? from the things you do while you're away?
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Few 14-year-olds can drive. Did you walk to where you went to do what you did, or take public transportation? both? sometimes one, sometimes the other? or bicycle? ride a horse? (I don't think that likely, but want to cover all bases.)
Is the city/town or type of city/town you lived in relevant? Is the season of the year relevant, or did this happen in all seasons?

Could you, would you in the rain?
Could you, would you, on the plain?
Could you, would you, in the snow?
Could you, would you, high or low?

---apologies to Dr. Seuss
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Do your parents get some sort of advantage from your absence? no from the things you do while you're away?
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Few 14-year-olds can drive. Did you walk to where you went to do what you did, or take public transportation? both? sometimes one, sometimes the other? or bicycle? ride a horse? (I don't think that likely, but want to cover all bases.) I liked in Brooklyn, & walked or took a bus or subway. As I said, transportation is irrel.
Is the city/town or type of city/town you lived in relevant? no Is the season of the year relevant, or did this happen in all seasons? a;ll

Could you, would you in the rain? yes
Could you, would you, on the plain? yes
Could you, would you, in the snow? yes
Could you, would you, high or low? yes
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Do you need to be at a particular place to do this?
Random guesses: shopping? watching a movie? working? taking a pottery class? working out? volunteering? sipping a latte at an Internet cafe while reading posts on the lateral puzzles forum?
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Do you need to be at a particular place to do this? no
Random guesses: shopping? possibly watching a movie? dittoworking? no taking a pottery class? no working out? NEVER!!!! volunteering? no sipping a latte at an Internet cafe while reading posts on the lateral puzzles forum? no
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So you were out and about having fun in general. Your parents knew what you were doing. You were happy with the arrangement, until you had a realization. This realization was amusing to your family, but embarrassing for you. Did I understand correctly?

You were embarrassed/ upset because:
-others knew something you didn't?
-you looked silly or stupid to others?
-your physical appearance changed?
-you misunderstood a situation? that misunderstanding led you to do or say something embarrassing?
-your parents did or said something that embarrassed you?
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So you were out and about having fun in general. Your parents knew what you were doing. You were happy with the arrangement, until you had a realization. This realization was amusing to your family, but embarrassing for you. Did I understand correctly? Completely!

You were embarrassed/ upset because:
-others knew something you didn't? no
-you looked silly or stupid to others? noish
-your physical appearance changed? no
-you misunderstood a situation? no that misunderstanding led you to do or say something embarrassing? no
-your parents did or said something that embarrassed you?yope
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Has it been established if money was involved? If you went shopping, surely it was? did you not have money enough to pay for something, and your parents wouldn't pay for it either? That would be embarassing!
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Had you been unaware of your parents' doings?
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Has it been established if money was involved? no & it's irrel If you went shopping, surely it was? I wasn't usually shopping & if I was, the amount of money would be too small to be relevant. did you not have money enough to pay for something, and your parents wouldn't pay for it either? no That would be embarassing!
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Had you been unaware of your parents' doings? no
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did you realise that your parents giving you freedom also gave them freedom to do other things?
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did you realise that your parents giving you freedom also gave them freedom to do other things? no
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Was this realization about your parents? about yourself? about other people?
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Was this realization about your parents? yes yes about yourself? about other people?yesish or yope
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HINT: The most important question asked so far is as follows: Is it something that she does or something that she doesn't do that is relevant?
something that she doesn't do. Follow up on it!
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She doesn't do-
-something expected?
-something irresponsible?
-something she should do?
-something dangerous?
-something beneficial to her parents?
-something detrimental to her parents?
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She doesn't do-
-something expected? What she does is roughly what her parents expect
-something irresponsible? She does not do anything irresponsible
-something she should do?What she does is neutral--neither something that she should do not something that she should not do
-something dangerous?she does not do anything dangerous
-something beneficial to her parents?What she does is neither beneficial nor harmful to her parents
-something detrimental to her parents?
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement: Elinda's parents have an accurate idea of the innocuous activities she is engaging in. Their reason for putting so few restrictions on her is embarrassing to her, & her embarrassment is mildly amusing to them.
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That she is too tame to get in any kind of troublel? too dull? too plain? too shy?
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That she is too tame to get in any kind of trouble? yes too dull? yes too plain? not really too shy? no


************* SPOILER ******************
When I told my mother that I really appreciated having so few restrictions placed on my when I was growing up (I wasn't expected to come home for dinner & could even stay out all night), she laughed & said, "Well, what were you going to do, have an orgy?" It's hard to think of yourself as an exciting person when your mother thinks you're too nerdy to get into trouble!
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lol! aww, poor Nimue. But your puzzles are exciting! (even if they are too hard for a poor kaylee kitteh to solve...)
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That's funny. Of course, I had a similar upbringing- for the exact same reason! Great puzzle, Nimue!
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Sounds like you didn't know this till years later, when it was too late to rebel. Is this true?

Nimue, your puzzles are so deceptively simple that it takes us forever to guess them. Maybe you should make them more difficult\complicated so we could get them sooner! =)

Or maybe that's the idea??
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Sounds like you didn't know this till years later, when it was too late to rebel. Is this true? yes

Nimue, your puzzles are so deceptively simple that it takes us forever to guess them. Maybe you should make them more difficult\complicated so we could get them sooner! =)

Or maybe that's the idea?? yes (or maybe I'm just simpleminded!)

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