| Author | Message | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 311 Registered: 8-2011 |
No one would believe the good doctor until a man with no medical background supported his claim. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2072 Registered: 12-2010 |
the good doctor = H/A/M? "good" as in skillful? or as in "a good person"? True story? FYOI? FSEI? Time or location relevant? If so, the usual lists of [Centuries] and [Continents] please. a man with no medical background - H/A/M, I assume? is his profession relevant? his claim = the good doctor's claim? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 313 Registered: 8-2011 |
the good doctor = H/A/M? Yes, although gender is irrelevant "good" as in skillful? this... or as in "a good person"? ...and this as well True story? This, I was told FYOI? FSEI? Time or location relevant? Not particularly, but it took place in the US a few years ago. If so, the usual lists of [Centuries] and [Continents] please. a man with no medical background - H/A/M, I assume? Yes is his profession relevant? Yes his claim = the good doctor's claim? Yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2073 Registered: 12-2010 |
doctor = doctor of medicine, right? (Just making sure...) Is the doctor's specialty relevant? If so, [LTPF list of medical specialties], if allowed. Does he work in a hospital? a practice? in research? Is the other man a famous person? Does he work in Artistic / musical / writer Banking / financial / real estate Clerical / Administrative Computer related / Hardware Construction / Craftsman Criminal / Questionable Repute Education / Academic Research Entertainment / Media Environmental / Outdoors / Nature Executive / Management Hospitality / Travel Legal Services Manufacturing / Distributions Medical / Health Services Politics / Government / Military Sales / Marketing Technical / Science / Engineering Teaching / Child care Transportation Food Service Other? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 314 Registered: 8-2011 |
doctor = doctor of medicine, right? (Just making sure...)No =) Is the doctor's specialty relevant? If so, [LTPF list of medical specialties], if allowed. This is the same doctor from my first puzzle- a psychologist. Does he work in a hospital? no a practice? yes in research? Actually, this is true as well. But irrelevant to the puzzle. Is the other man a famous person? no Does he work in Politics / Government / Military This is closest. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2151 Registered: 2-2011 |
if not the military, the police? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did the doctor retell something the other man had told him, and no one believed it before the originator confirmed it? Was the other man a patient of the doctor? Were they friends? Had they worked together somewhere? Did they know each other at all? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4614 Registered: 9-2010 |
Fourth Doctor? =) | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 321 Registered: 8-2011 |
Shez if not the military, the police? No to both, and I should correct myself- "Politics/Government/Military" is a perfectly fitting category. I'm not sure why I didn't just say "yes" yesterday. Jondahr Did the doctor retell something the other man had told him, and no one believed it before the originator confirmed it? This is true but incomplete. Good question! Was the other man a patient of the doctor? no Were they friends? no Had they worked together somewhere? no Did they know each other at all? yes-ish Kayleetonkslupin Fourth Doctor? =) Nice catch, but Doctor Who is irrelevant. I included the pun simply to celebrate my fourth puzzle. Otherwise, it is irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15287 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he a politician? An advisor? Is the doctor's occupation relevant? If so, [above LTPF list of jobs]? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4621 Registered: 9-2010 |
oh well then, happy fourth puzzle!!! I'm going to go eat dinner now, and think of questions... | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2011 |
Was the claim the doctor made about the other man? Did it have any political relevance or impact? Was the claim such that a doctor should have authority in making it? Or was his profession irrelevant in the act of making the claim? Was it something that concerned everyone? Or the whole population of that country? Did he make the claim face to face with someone? On the phone? In writing? Through some public media? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 324 Registered: 8-2011 |
Balin Is he a politician? An advisor? Neither Is the doctor's occupation relevant? If so, [above LTPF list of jobs]? He's a consulting psychologist. Kayleetonkslupin oh well then, happy fourth puzzle!!! thx! I'm going to go eat dinner now, and think of questions... Cheezeburgerz? Nom. Jondahr Was the claim the doctor made about the other man? The man without the medical background? No Did it have any political relevance or impact? The doctor's claim was not of a political nature. Is that what you meant? Was the claim such that a doctor should have authority in making it? Yes Or was his profession irrelevant in the act of making the claim? No Was it something that concerned everyone? no Or the whole population of that country? no Did he make the claim face to face with someone? yes On the phone? no In writing? It was documented as well Through some public media? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15303 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a patient of the good doctor's relevant? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 329 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is a patient of the good doctor's relevant? Yes | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did the other man know the patient? Was the doctor's claim related to something the patient had told him? Or did the doctor make the claim to the patient? Was the patient the one who didn't believe it until the other man confirmed it? Are there more people relevant to the story than the doctor, the other man and the patient? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 338 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did the other man know the patient? Yes-ish, but... Was the doctor's claim related to something the patient had told him? Yes-ish Or did the doctor make the claim to the patient? Yes Was the patient the one who didn't believe it until the other man confirmed it? No one, including the patient, believed the doctor's claim (except the man who confirmed it). Are there more people relevant to the story than the doctor, the other man and the patient? There are other people in the story, but they are not particularly relevant to this puzzle (for instance, the patient's family didn't believe the doctor either). Don't worry about them. | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did the doctor say something about the patient? About his/her condition? Is the patient a man? Woman? Relevant? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 345 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did the doctor say something about the patient? Yes About his/her condition? Yes Is the patient a man? This, but... Woman? Relevant? ...No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15331 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the patient have some form of personality disorder? Do most people think he does? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2181 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the patient not really a patient? is the patient not his patient? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did the patient lack some ability that most people have? Or did he have an ability that most don't? Is the claim about something that had surfaced in or as a result of therapy with the patient? Did the doctor make the claim in public? If so, was he allowed to do so? Or did he break his code? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 349 Registered: 8-2011 |
Balin Does the patient have some form of personality disorder? No Do most people think he does? It's possible, though something else is more likely Shez is the patient not really a patient? Please clarify is the patient not his patient? The patient came to the doctor seeking help. Jondahr Did the patient lack some ability that most people have? No Or did he have an ability that most don't?No-ish Is the claim about something that had surfaced in or as a result of therapy with the patient? The claim came about as a result of an assessment of the patient. Did the doctor make the claim in public? Irrel If so, was he allowed to do so? Or did he break his code? The doctor broke no laws. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2199 Registered: 2-2011 |
is religion relevant? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2011 |
Was there something about the man that was physically different to others? Mentally? Was something discovered about the man that had never been discovered in anyone else? Did some new science or practice arise from this? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 355 Registered: 8-2011 |
Shez is religion relevant? no Jondahr Was there something about the man that was physically different to others? No Mentally? Yope Was something discovered about the man that had never been discovered in anyone else? No, although this would be a rare situation. Did some new science or practice arise from this? No, and this is not a famous case. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15405 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the man mentally ill? Did people think he was? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2207 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the doctor realise the man had had an experience which he had no knowledge of? did the doctor think he was suffering from some kind of trauma? post-traumatic shock? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did the mental oddity have to do with... Memory? Visual perception? Audible? Motoric functions? Problem solving? Logical thinking? Interpretation? Linguistic skills? Emotions? Empathy? Internal visualizing? Conceptualizing? Reflexes? Something else? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 359 Registered: 8-2011 |
Balin Was the man mentally ill? No... Did people think he was?...and YES! Great question, Balin! Shez did the doctor realise the man had had an experience which he who is "he"? had no knowledge of? You will need to clarify before I answer. did the doctor think he was suffering from some kind of trauma? post-traumatic shock? No to both Jondahr Did the mental oddity have to do with... Memory? Visual perception? Audible? Motoric functions? Problem solving?<--yope Logical thinking?<---yope Interpretation?<---yope Linguistic skills? Emotions? Empathy? Internal visualizing? Conceptualizing? Reflexes? Something else?It could fit here as well No to the rest. The symptom the man claimed is known by a common name. It vaguely relates to the things mentioned above (some more vaguely than others). However, as Balin has determined, the man is not mentally ill. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4702 Registered: 9-2010 |
Does he spend all his time writing and solving lateral thinking puzzles? =P | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 363 Registered: 8-2011 |
Does he spend all his time writing and solving lateral thinking puzzles? =P I don't know, but that made me laugh. It would be interesting to see a lateral thinker in this predicament. Once the puzzle is spoyled, perhaps you could tell me what a Kaylee kitteh would do in this situation? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15416 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they think he had Asperger's (if that's spelled right)? Savant syndrome? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 74 Registered: 10-2011 |
So, the man claimed he had a mental illness, the doctor said "no, you're perfectly sane", nobody would believe this until this other man confirmed it, right? Did the man really believe he was mentally ill? Or was he lying on purpose? Was there something he believed/claimed he was able to do, that most people can't? Or wasn't able to that most people can? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 366 Registered: 8-2011 |
Balin Did they think he had Asperger's (if that's spelled right)? Savant syndrome? Nothing like these Jondahr So, the man claimed he had a mental illness, the doctor said "no, you're perfectly sane", nobody would believe this until this other man confirmed it, right? That's correct. =) Did the man really believe he was mentally ill? Yes Or was he lying on purpose? No Was there something he believed/claimed he was able to do, that most people can't? No or no-ish Or wasn't able to that most people can? No or no-ish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15436 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the man being drugged? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 379 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was the man being drugged? No, but that would have made a great puzzle too! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15449 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think he had ADD? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 388 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did he think he had ADD? No | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did the man seem to think in a manner very different to most people? Did he have difficulties in solving seemingly simple problems? Did he arrive at different solutions than most people would? Did he have problems concentrating? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4726 Registered: 9-2010 |
was he addicted to LOLcats? did he habitually eat cheezburgur? think he was a kitteh? (just checking =) ) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2215 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he think he had a special ability? or did he think the fact that he had a special ability indicate that there was something wrong with him? was there another reason that the man believed there was something wrong with him? was he depressed? hallucinating? did he hear voices? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 392 Registered: 8-2011 |
Jondahr Did the man seem to think in a manner very different to most people? yes or maybe yes-ish Did he have difficulties in solving seemingly simple problems? no Did he arrive at different solutions than most people would? Possibly Did he have problems concentrating? Maybe as a secondary concern, but this was not his primary complaint Kayleetonkslupin was he addicted to LOLcats? Who isn't? That was not his complaint. did he habitually eat cheezburgur? Who doesn't? But again, not relevant. think he was a kitteh? (just checking =) ) Nope, not this either. But I like your questions, even when silly. Shez did he think he had a special ability? no or did he think the fact that he had a special ability indicate that there was something wrong with him? I don't follow. If you meant that he actually had a special ability and took it as a psychological symptom, well, some might see it that way, but to say "yes" and leave it at that would be misleading. If I misunderstood your question, please clarify. was there another reason that the man believed there was something wrong with him? yes or yes-ish was he depressed? No hallucinating? Yope did he hear voices? no or no-ish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15462 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he having trouble sleeping? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4732 Registered: 9-2010 |
I love asking silly questions =) did he think he was The Doctor? (again, just checking) | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 396 Registered: 8-2011 |
Balin Was he having trouble sleeping? Yes, but this was not his primary complaint. (The sleeping trouble was caused by his primary complaint.) Kayleetonkslupin I love asking silly questions =) And I love answering them! did he think he was The Doctor? (again, just checking) no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15474 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did his mind frequently wander? Was he unable to focus? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 398 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did his mind frequently wander? Was he unable to focus? Again, these are possibilities but would only be a product of his primary complaint. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2223 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he worried about something? did he think he was paranoid? did he hear voices? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 403 Registered: 8-2011 |
was he worried about something? did he think he was paranoid? YES, on both counts! did he hear voices? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15485 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he think someone wanted to kill/harm him? Was he actually correct? Or was someone manipulating things so he would think that? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 405 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did he think someone wanted to kill/harm him? Not this exactly but... Was he actually correct? ...yes to this. Or was someone manipulating things so he would think that? Nothing like this | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2226 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he think there was some sort of conspiracy? did he think someone was planning to kill someone? hurt someone? steal something? destroy something? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did he think someone was spying on him, had a tap on his phone or was following him around? Was he hearing some noises he thought he was imagining, that were actually real? Or seeing something? Smelling? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 409 Registered: 8-2011 |
Shez did he think there was some sort of conspiracy? Possibly did he think someone was planning to kill someone? hurt someone? steal something? destroy something? All these things are unlikely Jondahr Did he think someone was spying on him, had a tap on his phone or was following him around? Yes, Yes, and Yes- good thinking! Want to put it all together? Was he hearing some noises he thought he was imagining, that were actually real? This is unlikely Or seeing something? Possible Smelling? No | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2011 |
Okay, so this man thinks the military (or something like that) is spying on him, listening to his phone calls and following him around. Everyone thinks he's paranoid, so he goes to see our good doctor. He says "no, you're fine!" Nobody believes him until someone from the military admits that they indeed have been spying on him. Alternatively, it's the police who confirms that somebody else have been spying on him. Something like that? :p | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 415 Registered: 8-2011 |
Okay, so this man thinks the military (or something like that) is spying on him, listening to his phone calls and following him around. Everyone thinks he's paranoid, so he goes to see our good doctor. He says "no, you're fine!" Nobody believes him until someone from the military admits that they indeed have been spying on him. Alternatively, it's the police who confirms that somebody else have been spying on him. Something like that? :p Close enough **********SPOILER********** A man and his family approached the good doctor (an expert in schizophrenia) fearing that the man may be developing some dreadful mental illness. Until recently, he had had no mental problems, but lately he had been concerned that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had been following him, tracking his movements, and listening in on his phone calls. He was becoming increasingly paranoid. He told the doctor, "I know it's crazy, that it can't be true, but I believe it all the same. You've got to help me." The doctor conducted a full examination but the man was suspiciously lacking in symptoms except for his "delusional" beliefs. The doctor was puzzled and stated that he would need to review the information before rendering a diagnosis. Once the man left, another man arrived and identified himself as a special agent of the FBI. He told the doctor that the FBI had indeed been keeping tabs on the man as part of an investigation. Later, the man returned to the office expecting a diagnosis, but of course, all the doctor could say was that the man lacked any psychopathology- that there was nothing wrong with him. At the time, he was unable to explain his reasoning, so no one believed him. Once the investigation had been completed, the agent contacted the man and his family to relay the information he had given the doctor. This is a true story, according to the doctor, embellished somewhat on my part to fill in details I hadn't been given. Thanks for your participation! | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2011 |
Wow! That's a great story - and a great puzzle! :D Really had me hooked. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2237 Registered: 2-2011 |
good puzzle Ciaobella, thanks | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4751 Registered: 9-2010 |
A Kaylee kitteh would offer the FBI kittehz cheezburgur...of course =) |
