| Author | Message | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 452 Registered: 8-2011 |
A teenage girl in the US received a citation for an offense she had no memory of committing. But when questioned, she admitted that she had to be guilty. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15623 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she, in fact, guilty? The citation: related to driving? Drinking? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 453 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was she, in fact, guilty? Yes-ish The citation: related to driving? This Drinking? But not this | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 999 Registered: 7-2010 |
Relevant why she had no memory of it? Did she admit to have done it because it is certain that it really happened? And all evidence were in her disfavor? Or she was seemingly the only one present at the time when it happened? And so she concluded that it was logical that it was her? Or did she remember something while she was questioned? Was she simply at the wrong place at the wrong time? Or did somebody frame her? Questionable questioning (duh) methods relevant? Did she give in due to the pressure during the questioning? Did she admit to be guilty to protect somebody else? Or to get an alibi for something worse? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 1000 Registered: 7-2010 |
Fifth Amendment relevant? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2267 Registered: 2-2011 |
did she not remember because she was drunk? did she had to admit it because it was caught on camera? speeding? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4529 Registered: 9-2009 |
Had she been driving? Did she come to the conclusion that she was guilty because of a question? Because of an object? A situation? Had she been driving? Was she accused of driving? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 455 Registered: 8-2011 |
Galfisk Relevant why she had no memory of it? Yes Did she admit to have done it because it is certain that it really happened? Yope or yes-ish And all evidence were in her disfavor? Yes-ish Or she was seemingly the only one present at the time when it happened? This, too, but there's more And so she concluded that it was logical that it was her? There's a little more to this story- in other words, there could have been more people involved, and she would have come to the same conclusion Or did she remember something while she was questioned? No, and this is relevant Was she simply at the wrong place at the wrong time? I don't know- irrelevant to the puzzle Or did somebody frame her? Probably not or irrelevant to the puzzle Questionable questioning (duh) methods relevant? I think so Did she give in due to the pressure during the questioning? Yope Did she admit to be guilty to protect somebody else? No Or to get an alibi for something worse? No Potato Fifth Amendment relevant? Only slightly- I wouldn't focus on this Shez did she not remember because she was drunk? FA- she was not drunk did she had to admit it because it was caught on camera? No speeding? No Galfisk Had she been driving? Yes Did she come to the conclusion that she was guilty because of a question? partly this Because of an object? yope-ishly this A situation? and yes-ishly this Had she been driving? Was she accused of driving? She had been driving. Great questions! Very challenging! | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 456 Registered: 8-2011 |
BLOOPER: That first set of questions should have been attributed to Potato. My apologies to both Potato and Galfisk. | ||
| Tardigradeparty (Tardigradeparty)
New member Username: Tardigradeparty Post Number: 74 Registered: 9-2011 |
Long shot: is Ambien involved? | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 448 Registered: 7-2011 |
Had the offense been comitted recently, that is, less than one year ago? more than one year? more than five years? relevant? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2279 Registered: 2-2011 |
had she been hypnotised? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 462 Registered: 8-2011 |
Tardigradeparty Long shot: is Ambien involved? no Solitaire Had the offense been comitted recently, that is, less than one year ago? more than one year? more than five years? relevant? 2005, not relevant Shez had she been hypnotised? no | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1773 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did she suffer from a relevant medical condition? Is anyone else relevant (apart from her and the investigators)? Was she injured in a car accident? Was she forced to "admit" her guilt? If so: by blunt force? by intoxication with a substance? by threatening her with some negative repercussions? Relevant where the investigation took place? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 466 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did she suffer from a relevant medical condition? Yes Is anyone else relevant (apart from her and the investigators)? Not really Was she injured in a car accident? Yes (this is the relevant medical condition) Was she forced to "admit" her guilt? No, or at least, not in this sense If so: by blunt force? by intoxication with a substance? by threatening her with some negative repercussions? Nothing like this Relevant where the investigation took place? Yes-ish or yope | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4800 Registered: 9-2010 |
I iz confuseded kitteh, ciaobella kitteh =( *sigh* I waits for moar questionz... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15640 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she have amnesia? Which is why she couldn't remember committing the offense? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2287 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the injury she received in the accident cause her to forget what happened? concussion? brain damage? Balin's amnesia? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4802 Registered: 9-2010 |
seizures? o.o poor kitteh...=( | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 472 Registered: 8-2011 |
Kaylee Kitteh I iz confuseded kitteh, ciaobella kitteh =( *sigh* I waits for moar questionz...Im sry u r confusd kitteh. Did teh othr kittehs' queshuns halp? seizures? o.o poor kitteh...=( No, not this Balin Did she have amnesia? Which is why she couldn't remember committing the offense? see below Shez did the injury she received in the accident cause her to forget what happened? Yes... concussion? ...yes... brain damage? ...yes... Balin's amnesia? ...and yes again. A concussion is a traumatic brain injury that, while not always severe or life threatening, can cause short-term amnesia. Usually the person forgets the events just before and/or just after the injury occurred. Good job, puzzlers! There's a little more to this story... | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4808 Registered: 9-2010 |
o noez! amnezia nawt gud! forgetz hao tu makez cheezburgur!!! o.o but iz bettur than seizur, definitlee! *iz glad iz no seizur* | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4809 Registered: 9-2010 |
iz sorriez foar postin twice, but just tu explainz. kaylee kitteh haz seizurz, knoez iz nawt gud. =( would haz a sad foar poor kitteh if had dem tu. amnezia nawt gud tho...*givz cheezburgurz tu awl kittehz involvd* | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15651 Registered: 4-2010 |
I've had a concussion once, but I can remember everything except for about a second before the injury. OK, her citation: speeding? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 473 Registered: 8-2011 |
Kayleetonkslupin o noez! amnezia nawt gud! forgetz hao tu makez cheezburgur!!! o.o but iz bettur than seizur, definitlee! *iz glad iz no seizur* iz sorriez foar postin twice, but just tu explainz. kaylee kitteh haz seizurz, knoez iz nawt gud. =( would haz a sad foar poor kitteh if had dem tu. amnezia nawt gud tho...*givz cheezburgurz tu awl kittehz involvd* Poor Kaylee kitteh! i agreez. seizurz iz nawt gud, nawt gud at awl! Kaylee kitteh shud haz lotz of cheezburgurz an stay well az mutch az kitteh canz! (Forgive me, my lolspeak is a little rusty.) Balin I've had a concussion once, but I can remember everything except for about a second before the injury. Concussions are never fun, amnesia or no amnesia. OK, her citation: speeding? No, and somewhat relevant | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4821 Registered: 9-2010 |
iz foar runnin red lite? drivin tu slowz? mabee drivin tu slowz an sum othur kitteh rear-endz concussed kitteh? ciaobella kitteh'z lolspeak iz veree gud! | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 474 Registered: 8-2011 |
iz foar runnin red lite? No drivin tu slowz? No mabee drivin tu slowz an sum othur kitteh rear-endz concussed kitteh? no, or no-ish, but gud queshuns! ciaobella kitteh'z lolspeak iz veree gud! ok thnx! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15656 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the offense related to the car accident? Was the accident her fault (at least legally)? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 475 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was the offense related to the car accident? yes Was the accident her fault (at least legally)? yes (or most probably) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15660 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she rear-end a car? Run a stop sign? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 481 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did she rear-end a car? Run a stop sign? No to both. I don't think it's quite that common. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2295 Registered: 2-2011 |
did she cross the carriageway into oncoming traffic? drive the wrong way down a one-way street? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4824 Registered: 9-2010 |
carriageway, shez kitteh? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2301 Registered: 2-2011 |
um - that's what we say in Britain. I don't know another way to say it! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4825 Registered: 9-2010 |
Roadway, apparently. Or as I would think of it, highway. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4826 Registered: 9-2010 |
At least, I'd call it a highway if it was elevated. The problem is, there's too many words for what you call a carriageway, lol! Assuming it was level with the ground, perhaps expressway? =) | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 482 Registered: 8-2011 |
Shez did she cross the carriageway into oncoming traffic? Whatever you may call it, no, this did not occur. However, I suppose that the same citation could be issued in this situation. drive the wrong way down a one-way street? Not this. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2305 Registered: 2-2011 |
dangerous driving? driving without due care and attention? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 487 Registered: 8-2011 |
dangerous driving? I believe the US equivalent is "reckless driving", and it wasn't this. It was more specific. driving without due care and attention? You know, I'm not sure there is a British equivalent. The US citation was more specific, although it is possible that a case could be made for driving without due care and attention. | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 534 Registered: 8-2011 |
RECAP: Puzzle statement: A teenage girl in the US received a citation for an offense she had no memory of committing. But when questioned, she admitted that she had to be guilty. The girl's lapse in memory can be attributed to a concussion that occurred as a result of a car accident. She had been driving. She was not drunk and in fact had not been drinking at all. No drugs, prescription or otherwise, are involved. She had not been hypnotised. The citation was related to driving, but not drinking. She had not run a red light, sped, driven too slow, or hit another car. She had not crossed into oncoming traffic (although the same citation could have been issued in that situation) or driven the wrong way down a one-way street. The accident was deemed the legal responsibility of the driver, although this could be debated. Because of the specific wording of the citation as it applied to the situation that occurred in this puzzle, I am not sure that it could have happened in exactly this way in the UK. I am not overly familiar with traffic laws. She was not physically forced to admit her guilt. Questionable questioning (I like the term) may have played a role. The evidence (which involved an object/situation) seemed to be in her disfavor. Location of questioning is somewhat relevant. Let me know if I left anything out or have made any mistakes. HINT: Finding out more about the accident itself would probably help you figure out the citation. If it becomes too much trouble, I will spoyle that detail, but I think the puzzle would end very quickly after that. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15860 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were any other cars involved in the incident? Any other people? | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 497 Registered: 7-2011 |
Did she rear-end somebody? which is always considered to be the fault of the driver who does it. BTW, I know speakers of British English call the rear end the big end (too literally true for some of us!) but would the accident be called a big-end collision? Shez? Peter? Anyone? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 537 Registered: 8-2011 |
Balin Were any other cars involved in the incident? Any other people? No to both Solitiare Did she rear-end somebody? which is always considered to be the fault of the driver who does it. No. The driver was alone (presumably) when the accident occurred. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15878 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she cross the center line? Change lanes illegally? Turn signal relevant/ Turning? Was the offense related to her car itself? Like a burned-out taillight or expired registration? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 542 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did she cross the center line? No Change lanes illegally? Yope; the citation was "Failure to Maintain a Lane" Turn signal relevant/ Turning? No-ish Was the offense related to her car itself? Like a burned-out taillight or expired registration? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15903 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she only commit the violation during/because of the accident? For instance, she skidded out of control and was cited for that? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 545 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did she only commit the violation during/because of the accident? For instance, she skidded out of control and was cited for that? Yes-ish. The only thing that remains- why did she have to admit that she was guilty when questioned? This one is mostly done. If anyone would like to finish it up, feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'll likely spoyle by this weekend. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15910 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she caught by a traffic camera? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 549 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was she caught by a traffic camera? No, and this is somewhat relevant to the story, if not to the puzzle itself | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15918 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she spotted by a cop? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 552 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was she spotted by a cop? No, and to save you time, there were no witnesses or recordings of the accident | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15920 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were there tire tracks? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2353 Registered: 2-2011 |
was she the only person able to drive that vehicle? was it specially adapted? when she admitted responsibility had she remembered the incident or was it something else which made her realise she had to be guilty? did the incident take place somewhere only she could be? like hers wa the only car on an island? or in a car park which she'd entered using a security pass? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 554 Registered: 8-2011 |
Balin Were there tire tracks? Yes, but mostly irrelevant. Discovering more about the scene of the accident is definitely a good idea, though. Shez was she the only person able to drive that vehicle? was it specially adapted? No to both when she admitted responsibility had she remembered the incident or was it something else which made her realise she had to be guilty? It was something else- remember, it was something about the situation and the questioning that made her admit guilt. To this day, she has no memory of the actual accident. did the incident take place somewhere only she could be? like hers wa the only car on an island? No, but this is much more interesting than the actual ending! or in a car park which she'd entered using a security pass? No, but again, a great idea The solution is much simpler. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2366 Registered: 2-2011 |
um - after the accident her car was smashed up and only she had the keys? she had a big bump on her head from the accident? she'd been removed from the car by the emergency services? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 558 Registered: 8-2011 |
um - after the accident her car was smashed up and only she had the keys? she had a big bump on her head from the accident? she'd been removed from the car by the emergency services? Yes to all but the last one (which is "no"). I should clarify- there was never any question that she had been involved in the accident or that she had been the driver. A citation was issued for "Failure to Maintain a Lane" only after she admitted she was guilty of this crime. With no recording of the accident, no witnesses, and no memory of the event, why would she admit that she was guilty of any crime? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15942 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would she have been in bigger trouble if she'd said she was not guilty? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 562 Registered: 8-2011 |
Would she have been in bigger trouble if she'd said she was not guilty? She probably wouldn't have gotten in more trouble, but she might have given the impression that she was either stupid, sarcastic, or more seriously impaired. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2390 Registered: 2-2011 |
did she have paint on her tyres where she'd crossed the lines dividing the lanes? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 563 Registered: 8-2011 |
did she have paint on her tyres where she'd crossed the lines dividing the lanes? No, it was even more obvious than that. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2392 Registered: 2-2011 |
did her car crash into omthing and end up in another lane? or get damaged by something at the side of the road or the crash barrier? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 564 Registered: 8-2011 |
did her car crash into omthing Yope and end up in another lane? No-ish or get damaged by something at the side of the road Yes or Yes-ish or the crash barrier? No crash barrier on this road I've decided to leave this puzzle open a little longer because you are so close to the solution. I will spoyle next weekend, if interest fades, or earlier by request. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15955 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was a part of the car left at the scene of the violation? The license plate? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 568 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was a part Not a part of the car left at the scene of the violation? Yope The license plate? Well, yes-ish, but... | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 158 Registered: 11-2011 |
an imprint of the license plate? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 570 Registered: 8-2011 |
an imprint of the license plate? No, and OTWT | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5103 Registered: 9-2010 |
the car was still at the scene? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 575 Registered: 8-2011 |
the car was still at the scene? Correct! There's just a tiny bit more to figure out- where in the scene was the car? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15997 Registered: 4-2010 |
In the other lane? Off the road? Having crossed lanes to get off the road? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 580 Registered: 8-2011 |
In the other lane? Off the road? This! Having crossed lanes to get off the road? But not this **********SPOILER********** When I was a teenager, I was driving home from visiting relatives. I remember feeling very afraid and inhaling sharply (I think I was going to scream). But I don't remember what frightened me. Then everything was quiet and still. My car was on, and I was in the driver's seat, but I couldn't see the headlights through the windshield. Through the driver's window, I could see dirt and realized my car was not upright. I braced myself against the window and unfastened my safety belt. I immediately fell forward over the wheel- I had actually been upside down with the front end of my car buried in the soft dirt at the side of the road. Then I was wandering down the road. How had I gotten out of the car? I couldn't remember. Then I was lying down. There were a lot of people around, and I realized I was strapped to a stretcher. There were paramedics arguing with a police officer and there were flashing lights and a lady was crying on the phone with my mother. At this point, my mind began to clear. I could finally make sense of bits and pieces of the paramedic's argument: "You can't talk to her right now. She has a head injury. She's been babbling about popcorn." (Popcorn?!) The officer said something about obstruction of justice, and the paramedic stepped aside. The following is an approximation of the conversation that took place between the officer and myself. Officer: "Tell me about the accident." Me: "Hm? Oh, I don't know anything about it." Officer: "Were you driving?" Me: "Yes, sir." Officer: "Then you know about it. Were you drinking? Doing drugs?" Me: "No, sir." Officer: "You must have been speeding, then?" Me: "No, sir, I remember that much." Officer: "Was there anyone else on the road? Why did you run off the road?" Me: "I don't know. I can't remember." Officer: "If you don't remember anyone else being around, then you must be legally at fault for the accident. I'm going to have to write you a citation." Me: "For what?" Officer: (long pause and then) "Hey, is your vehicle in its proper lane?" I looked at the twisted, mangled metal that used to be my car; it was several feet from the road. "No, sir, it is not." Officer: "Then you're guilty of failure to maintain a lane, aren't you?" Me: "I suppose I am." As far as anyone can tell, an animal probably darted out in front of me. Judging by the tire tracks, I was told that I had swerved, as though trying to avoid hitting something or someone. Failure to Maintain a Lane is the citation usually given to people who change lanes improperly or weave back and forth out of their lanes. I have never heard of anyone getting that citation in the same manner I did. The "Fifth Amendment" comes into play because Miranda Rights (including the right to remain silent when questioned by a police officer- probably a good idea in my case, had I been thinking clearly) are partially based on the Fifth Amendment, which prevents one from incriminating oneself when acting as a witness. Thanks to all! Sorry if I misled anyone. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15999 Registered: 4-2010 |
If ever a story could be scary with a touch of humor, that was it. Great puzzle! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5108 Registered: 9-2010 |
*snuggles!!!!* I don't know if we ever established the girl in question was YOU! Oh, poor Ciaobella kitteh!! *hugs tight* Awww!!! I'm glad you're ok NOW though!! O_O You should have had a cheezburgur...*gives you one* | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 587 Registered: 8-2011 |
Thank you Balin & Kaylee. No, it wasn't established that it was me, but that wasn't a particularly important point for the puzzle. And yes, I'm fine now. *snuggles back* A cheezburgur foar Ciaobella kitteh! Thnx Kaylee! Mah sekund cheezburgur todai! *noms* Lolspeak translated: You are right to think that cheeseburgers have healing powers. They do. ;) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5114 Registered: 9-2010 |
They do. *nods firmly* Seriously, they do. I've had cheeseburgers after my seizures sometimes and they've helped a LOT. Maybe it's the protein? or the cheese? or both? I have no idea, but they work, so that's good. |
