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Gourami (Gourami)
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Declan knocks on the door. On the opposite side of the door, Mary dies. Declan killed her, but John's the true villain in this story.

(which is based on a short story, early $p0i1ers email. =))
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Is Declan's knock a signal?

Is Declan H/A/M? Mary H/A/F? John H/A/M?

Her=Mary?

door=door? Is Declan outside or inside? Is Mary?

Is John present?
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Did the knock directly cause the death?
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Is Declan's knock a signal? Noish.

Is Declan H/A/M? Mary H/A/F? John H/A/M? Yes to all.

Her=Mary? Yes.

door=door? Yes. Is Declan outside or inside? Outside. Is Mary? Inside.

Is John present? No.

Balin (Balin)

Did the knock directly cause the death? DOYD of 'directly'...but I'll say yes.
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Does the knock cause something to happen?
That would cause Mary to die?

Does Declan know:
John?
Mary?

Does Mary know:
John?
Declan?

Does John know:
Declana?
Mary?

Is there anyone else involved?
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Does the knock cause something to happen? Only the death.
That would cause Mary to die? No.

Does Declan know:
John? No.
Mary? Yes.

Does Mary know:
John? Yes.
Declan? Yes or yope.

Does John know:
Declan? No.
Mary? Yes.

Is there anyone else involved? No.
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Does John intend for Mary to die?
Does Declan intend for Mary to die?
Does Mary intend for herself to die?

Does John know that by Declan knocking, Mary will die?
Does Declan know that by knocking, Mary will die?
Does Mary know that by Declan knocking, Mary will die?
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Any relevant disabilities?
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Was Mary in danger before Declan knocked on the door?
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Is it relevant that it is Declan that knocks on the door? Would Mary have died if someone else had knocked?

Is it relevant WHY Declan knocks on the door?

Also, is it relevant what door this is? If so, the front door to Mary's house? The back door? Any other door? A door in someone else's house?

Does Mary actually answer the door? Open it?
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Does Mary die from: trauma? Poison? Shock? Exposure? Electrocution? Disease? Blood loss? Organ failure? Age?
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Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)

Does John intend for Mary to die? No.
Does Declan intend for Mary to die? No.
Does Mary intend for herself to die? Not intend...

Does John know that by Declan knocking, Mary will die? No.
Does Declan know that by knocking, Mary will die? No.
Does Mary know that by Declan knocking, Mary will die? She may have some idea, but FA.

Peter365 (Peter365)

Any relevant disabilities? Noish.

Redwine (Redwine)

Was Mary in danger before Declan knocked on the door? Yes, for SVV of danger.

Eli (Eli)

Is it relevant that it is Declan that knocks on the door? It's part of the solution, but... Would Mary have died if someone else had knocked? Yes.

Is it relevant WHY Declan knocks on the door? Yes.

Also, is it relevant what door this is? Yes. If so, the front door to Mary's house? Yes. The back door? Any other door? A door in someone else's house? No to rest.

Does Mary actually answer the door? Open it? No.

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Does Mary die from: trauma? Poison? Shock? This is closest. Exposure? Electrocution? Disease? Blood loss? Organ failure? Age?
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was a knock on the door a signal? to Mary? to someone else?

hearing the knock, did Mary assume something else was going to happen? did she think it was someone else at the door?

did Declan know that knocking at her door would have this effect?

was Mary responsible for some wrongdoing?
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Could John have knocked the door? Would the effect be the same?

Is John alive?

Was Mary surprised by knocking on the door? Did she expect it? Did she know it was Declan knocking?
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Shez (Shez)

was a knock on the door a signal? Not in any sense other than the usual. to Mary? to someone else?

hearing the knock, did Mary assume something else was going to happen? Yes. did she think it was someone else at the door? Yes.

did Declan know that knocking at her door would have this effect? No.

was Mary responsible for some wrongdoing? Yes.

Redwine (Redwine)

Could John have knocked the door? No. Would the effect be the same? But yes.

Is John alive? No.

Was Mary surprised by knocking on the door? Yesish... Did she expect it? But yes. Did she know it was Declan knocking? No.
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Was Mary a criminal? Is Declan alive? If not, did Mary kill him? Did she think his ghost was coming back to haunt her? Did the knock scare her to death?
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Oops - that should be "John" not "Declan" in the last question. MB.
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I'm sure you've got it Balin

...and Mary had been responsible for John's death?
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Balin (Balin)

Was Mary a criminal? Yes. Is John alive? Yes! If not, did Mary kill him? Did she think his ghost was coming back to haunt her? Did the knock scare her to death? Yes on all counts.

Shez (Shez)

I'm sure you've got it Balin

...and Mary had been responsible for John's death? Hiya Shez. Yes indeed.

But Declan has more of a hand in the death than just knocking on the door.
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I think you meant "No" when I asked if John was alive...

Had John been a criminal? Was Declan a criminal?

Did Mary murder John? Kill him accidentally?

Was this the anniversary of John's death? Or some other important occasion?
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hello back
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was Declan a policeman?

had he come to inform Mary of John's death?

did Mary kill John in self-defence?

had John only just died? the same day? the previous day?
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If "Is John alive?" is really yes, does Mary know that John is alive? Does she think she killed him? Did John threaten Mary to come back as a ghost and haunt her? Does Declan know about all these above? Does Declan play a joke on Mary?
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Balin (Balin)

I think you meant "No" when I asked if John was alive... You're right, somehow I read that as "is John dead"...

Had John been a criminal? Noish. Was Declan a criminal? No.

Did Mary murder John? Yes. Kill him accidentally? No.

Was this the anniversary of John's death? No. Or some other important occasion? Yope.

Shez (Shez)

hello back =)

was Declan a policeman? No.

had he come to inform Mary of John's death? No.

did Mary kill John in self-defense? Yesish.

had John only just died? the same day? the previous day? No to all, good questions.

Redwine (Redwine)

If "Is John alive?" is really yes, does Mary know that John is alive? Sorry, I confused you with my typo. But your questions may still help. I'll say yope. Does she think she killed him? Yes, and she's right. Did John threaten Mary to come back as a ghost and haunt her? I don't believe he does in the original story, but he very well could. Does Declan know about all these above? NO. Does Declan play a joke on Mary? Not intentionally.
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had Mary previously been associated with John's death? was she expecting to be found out? did she think Declan had come to accuse her?

did Declan know she had killed John?
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had Mary previously been associated with John's death? No. was she expecting to be found out? Yesish. did she think Declan had come to accuse her? No, possible FA.

did Declan know she had killed John? No.
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Mary killed John - was it murder? Accidental? Did she try to kill someone else? Was Declan trying to kill her?

Specific manner of John's death relevant? Had Mary knocked on his door?
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Mary killed John - was it murder? Yes. Accidental? No. Did she try to kill someone else? No. Was Declan trying to kill her? No.

Specific manner of John's death relevant? No. Had Mary knocked on his door? No.
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had Declan come there looking for John?
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My guess would be that death knocks twice and that Mary and John had a prearanged knockiing signal, beieng nefarious crimanals. A deal goes sour and John threatens to kill Mary, who promptly kills John. Declan being a kindly Vacum Salesman with a tic comes to the door and knocks exactly in the right manner to John. Thus Mary thinks John is at the door and drops dead with a heart attack.
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Gourami

I've put this puzzle into Limbo for now . You can reactivate it by answering the outstanding questions
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Thank you for your vigilance, Peter. I am back. =)

Shez (Shez)

had Declan come there looking for John? No.

Dwuanos (Dwuanos)

My guess would be that death knocks twice and that Mary and John had a prearanged knockiing signal, beieng nefarious crimanals. A deal goes sour and John threatens to kill Mary, who promptly kills John. Declan being a kindly Vacum Salesman with a tic comes to the door and knocks exactly in the right manner to John. Thus Mary thinks John is at the door and drops dead with a heart attack. No, although Mary is mistaking Declan's totally innocent knock for John.

***********RECAP
Mary killed John. Declan knows nothing about John or the murder, though he knows Mary and she sort of knows him. She thinks, when Declan knocks on her front door, that he is John's ghost, returned to avenge himself. What's left to find:
-How Declan is responsible for her death in more ways than the simple knocking, and
-Why Mary thought it was John's ghost at the door (his death wasn't recent)

Figure out Declan's profession.
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does Declan resemble John? A natural resemblance?

does Declan's job mean he gets a dirty face? Baker? Miner? Chimney sweep?
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does Declan resemble John? A natural resemblance? No.

does Declan's job mean he gets a dirty face? Baker? Miner? Chimney sweep? No, interesting though.
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Do they have similar voices?

Does he knock on the door in a particular rhythm that John also used when he was alive?
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Was Mary attempting to contact the spirit of John at the time Declan knocked on the door? i.e. knock one time for yes - something silly like that.
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Do they have similar voices? No.

Does he knock on the door in a particular rhythm that John also used when he was alive? No.

Was Mary attempting to contact the spirit of John at the time Declan knocked on the door? i.e. knock one time for yes - something silly like that. Haha, no.
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Is Declan wearing something typical for his profession? Is Declan's profession the same as John's was? Does Declan professionally deals with deceased people?
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Is Declan wearing something typical for his profession? Irrel. Is Declan's profession the same as John's was? No. Does Declan professionally deal with deceased people? No.
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Did Mary die as soon as she heard the knock?
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Did Mary die as soon as she heard the knock? Yes, or almost immediately.
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Did she die of a heart attack?

If Mary killed John in self-defense, did he attack her first? Is this what you meant by John being the true villain? Had she been a completely innocent victim of his attack? Or did she provoke it? Relevant?

After killing John, did she hide the body, clean up, etc. to avoid getting caught? Are her specific actions after killing John (such as how she hid the body, if she did) relevant?

Does Declan know how John died? Is his specific relationship with Mary relevant? If so, professional? friendly? romantic? familial?

Had something happened recently that would cause Mary to think that John was coming for her? a dream perhaps? something related to the investigation of his death? Was his death even investigated, for that matter, and is it relevant?

Are there any true supernatural elements to this puzzle, such as a ghostly visitor?
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true supernatural? haha

is the time of day this happens relevant? is it a time that Mary wouldn't be expecting someone to knock at the door?

So Mary never knew it was Declan knocking before she died...does this take place on what I would consider to be a normal street in a normal village/town?

Is the house relatively isolated?
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Did she call for Declan to come to her house? Did he come there some other time? Did she ask for somebody with the same profession as Declan's (but not specifically him) to come? If she did ask,did she actually speak to a living person, or did she ask John? Is she remorseful about John's death?
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was Declan wearing a uniform?

was he a priest? doctor? soldier? policeman?
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Did she die of a heart attack? Yes.

If Mary killed John in self-defense, did he attack her first? Close enough for the purposes of this puzzle. Is this what you meant by John being the true villain? This, plus that she died because she thought the knocking was him. Had she been a completely innocent victim of his attack? Or did she provoke it? Relevant? Irr., in the original story he is a cold and verbally abusive husband.

After killing John, did she hide the body, clean up, etc. to avoid getting caught? Yes. Are her specific actions after killing John (such as how she hid the body, if she did) relevant? No. I need to remember the name of this short story, because it is a good one. I believe she just poisons him in a way that looks like a heart attack.

Does Declan know how John died? No. Is his specific relationship with Mary relevant? Yes. If so, professional? Thisish. friendly? Yes. romantic? Yope, explore. familial? No.

Had something happened recently that would cause Mary to think that John was coming for her? YES. a dream perhaps? No. something related to the investigation of his death? No. Was his death even investigated, for that matter, and is it relevant? Irr.

Are there any true supernatural elements to this puzzle, such as a ghostly visitor? No.

Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)

true supernatural? haha Trupernatural.

is the time of day this happens relevant? No. is it a time that Mary wouldn't be expecting someone to knock at the door? Irr, possibly.

So Mary never knew it was Declan knocking before she died...does this take place on what I would consider to be a normal street in a normal village/town? Yes.

Is the house relatively isolated? Irr.

Rbruma (Rbruma)

Did she call for Declan to come to her house? No. Did he come there some other time? No. Did she ask for somebody with the same profession as Declan's (but not specifically him) to come? No. If she did ask,did she actually speak to a living person, or did she ask John? No, but wouldn't that make for a creepy story. Is she remorseful about John's death? Possibly, irr.

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was Declan wearing a uniform? No.

was he a priest? doctor? soldier? policeman? No to all.
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Was Mary going to marry someone? Was she dating someone? Relevant? Did Declan deliver something to Mary?
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Was Mary going to marry someone? No. Was she dating someone? Relevant? Irr. Did Declan deliver something to Mary? No. I think. Rephrase?
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was Declan a secret admirer of Mary's? Had he been trying to leave hints for Mary in some way - and she had misunderstood this/these and become paranoid that John was coming for her?
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did Declan bring an object with him for Mary?

did he intend to deliver a message?
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did he bring her money? a letter?
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was Declan a secret admirer of Mary's? Yes. Had he been trying to leave hints for Mary in some way - and she had misunderstood this/these and become paranoid that John was coming for her? Yes!

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did Declan bring an object with him for Mary? No.

did he intend to deliver a message? Yope.

did he bring her money? a letter? No.
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was it valentine's day? was declan going to tell mary that he admired her when he knocked on the door? now we know declan was a secret admirer, is his profession still relevant to solving the puzzle? If so, does he produce a good? deliver a service? does he work with members of the public? does he work in the legal profession? is he a manual worker? work with animals? medical profession?
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was it valentine's day? No or irr. was declan going to tell mary that he admired her when he knocked on the door? Yes. now we know declan was a secret admirer, is his profession still relevant to solving the puzzle? Yes. If so, does he produce a good? No. deliver a service? No. does he work with members of the public? Yes. does he work in the legal profession? No. is he a manual worker? Noish, DOYD. work with animals? No. medical profession? No.
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does he (Declan) work in the public sector? would he typically work alone? as part of a duo? a bigger team? is he an entertainer?

would he typically work indoors? outdoors?

am I right to assume Declan has come into contact with Mary through his work?
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is he a postman? does he drive a delivery truck?
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does he (Declan) work in the public sector? No. would he typically work alone? Yes. as part of a duo? a bigger team? He may have one or two employees. is he an entertainer? No.

would he typically work indoors? Yes. outdoors? No.

am I right to assume Declan has come into contact with Mary through his work? Yes.

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is he a postman? does he drive a delivery truck? No.
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Is Declan a lawyer?
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is Declan a florist?

does he manufacture something? design something? provide a service?
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Is Declan a lawyer? No.

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is Declan a florist? No.

does he manufacture something? No. design something? No. provide a service? I'd say so, yes.
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is he the cable man? social worker? phone repair? any sort of repair?

undertaker? doctor?
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is he the cable man? social worker? phone repair? any sort of repair?

undertaker? doctor? No to all.

HINT: His work wouldn't ordinarily take her to her door.
This has been the closest question so far:
Had he been trying to leave hints for Mary in some way - and she had misunderstood this/these and become paranoid that John was coming for her? Yes!
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had he been leaving objects? flowers? messages? chocolates?

had he been leaving something a bit more unusual? was it something she might particularly associate with John? or John's death?
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had he been leaving objects? Yes. flowers? messages? chocolates?

had he been leaving something a bit more unusual? Yes. was it something she might particularly associate with John? Yes. or John's death? Noish.
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does Declan leave these things because he knows they have a special meaning for her? does he know she associates them with John?

or is there another reason why he chooses to leave this kind of object? is it something he knows she collects?

are they something which occurs in nature? shells? pine cones? pebbles? fruit?

or something man-made?
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does Declan leave these things because he knows they have a special meaning for her? Yes. does he know she associates them with John? No.

or is there another reason why he chooses to leave this kind of object? Yesish. is it something he knows she collects? No to noish.

are they something which occurs in nature? shells? pine cones? pebbles? fruit? No.

or something man-made? Yes.
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Are the items left things that John used to own? That Mary used to own?\

Are they clothing? Money?
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Are the items left things that John used to own? Noish. That Mary used to own?\ Yes.

Are they clothing? Could be. Money? No.
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Is it relevant how Declan acquired these things? Did he acquire them through his work? Did he acquire them - even indirectly - through John?
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Is it relevant how Declan acquired these things? Yes. Did he acquire them through his work? Yes! Did he acquire them - even indirectly - through John? Eh, so indirectly that I'll say no.
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Does Declan work in waste disposal? In charity?
Did Mary give the relevant items to someone? Were the items taken from Mary with her consent? Did Mary know that Declan was in possession of these items?
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i'm dying to know the answer to this puzzle...

is it relevant where declan left the items for mary? did he leave them outside her house? i'm intrigued by your answer regarding whether they are clothing - are they objects of various shapes? sizes? constituent material? - but do they all contain a common property? In so much that they could be summed up by a single term for the objects?
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are they all things which once belonged to John? did Declan come by them through his job?

is he a charity worker? undertaker? pawnbroker?

does he know they once belonged to John?
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Does Declan work in waste disposal? In charity? No to both, but you're getting close.

Did Mary give the relevant items to someone? Noish. Were the items taken from Mary with her consent? Yes. Did Mary know that Declan was in possession of these items? Yes.

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i'm dying to know the answer to this puzzle...Glad there's still interest!

is it relevant where declan left the items for mary? Yesish. did he leave them outside her house? In the original story, he had them mailed to her. This works just as well. i'm intrigued by your answer regarding whether they are clothing - are they objects of various shapes? sizes? constituent material? Yes, they could be various things.- but do they all contain a common property? Yesish. In so much that they could be summed up by a single term for the objects? Yes, but you don't need to know much more about them than you do.

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are they all things which once belonged to John? Noish. did Declan come by them through his job? Yes.

is he a charity worker? undertaker? pawnbroker? Yes!

does he know they once belonged to John? No.
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Did Mary sell them to Declan?

Do the particular objects matter?
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so mary has pawned these items? that she owned? that john had bought for her? And declan is giving them back to her as gifts?
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Did John pawn these objects? And she thinks that he bought them back?
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Did Declan send to Mary her wedding ring? Her engagement ring? Did Declan add any notes to the sent objects? If yes, were the notes anonymous? Did Declan inform Mary that he will come to her?
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Did Mary sell them to Declan? Yes.

Do the particular objects matter? No.

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so mary has pawned these items? Yes. that she owned? that john had bought for her? And declan is giving them back to her as gifts? Yes to all!

************************SPOILER
Thanks to everyone for sticking with this one, it was a good group solve!

This is from the plot of a short story, the name of which I will post as soon as I rediscover it.

Mary decides to kill her husband, who, while being generous in his gifts to her, is neglectful and demeaning. She gets away with it, and, to get by as a widow, happily pawns all the jewelry he gave her. Declan, the pawnbroker, mistakes her for a poor maiden selling her only possessions out of necessity. He naturally falls in love with her.

So, one by one, he begins sending her the items she pawned, thinking she will be enchanted by her secret admirer's thoughtfulness. She is actually driven out of her mind with fear, thinking that either someone has discovered her crime, or John's ghost is tormenting her. After the last item is returned, Declan comes over one night and knocks on Mary's door, finally ready to declare his love. In her mad state, she thinks it is John come to kill her and dies of fright.
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Chilling, and truly puzzle-worthy!
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Very nice
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ace puzzle
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Excellent, glad y'all liked it.
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ooh, it's creepy and I love it! Please post it if you figure out what it is -- I'd love to read it.

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