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Three people are dead in a room; Mary and the weather are to blame. What happened?
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Mary- one of the dead people?
Weather:
-sunny?
-hot?
-cold?
-rain?
-fog?
-snow/ ice?
-blizzard?
-thunderstorm?
-lightning?
-wind?
-tornado?
-hurricane?
-tropical storm?
-something else?
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Mary- one of the dead people? Yes
Weather:
-sunny?
-hot?
-cold?
-rain?
-fog?
-snow/ ice?
-blizzard?
-thunderstorm?
-lightning?
-wind?
-tornado?
-hurricane?
-tropical storm?
-something else? This - I'm surprised you missed it on the first listing
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Which aspect of the weather is relevant:
temperature?
wind?
pressure?
humidity?
cloud cover?
precipitation?
other atmospheric phenomena?
tides?

Were there other people in the room? injured? unscathed?
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Which aspect of the weather is relevant:
temperature?
wind?
pressure?
humidity?
cloud cover?
precipitation?
other atmospheric phenomena?
tides? I don't think it falls under any of these categories...

Were there other people in the room? Other than the 3 dead people? No. injured? unscathed?
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Were all three causes of death the same?
Was Mary to blame because of something she did? Something she didn't do?
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Were all three causes of death the same? No
Was Mary to blame because of something she did? This Something she didn't do?
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Weather or climate?
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Weather or climate? I guess...natural disaster? More weather than climate though.
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Tsunami?
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Flood? Though I guess that would fall under precipitation...

Mary - HAF?
The other two dead - HAF?HAM?
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Could Mary have prevented the deaths? Did Mary know about disaster coming?
Did Mary do the relevant thing before the disaster? During the disaster? After the disaster?
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smog? avalanche? tsunami? drought? hailstorm? ice storm? flood?
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thermal inversion? heatwave?
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Grouping all the weather guesses together...

Tsunami? Flood? (Though I guess that would fall under precipitation...) smog? avalanche? tsunami? drought? hailstorm? ice storm? flood? thermal inversion? heatwave? No to all. You'll probably kick yourself when you get it right

Mary - HAF? Yes
The other two dead - HAF?HAM? Both are HAM

Could Mary have prevented the deaths? Technically yes Did Mary know about disaster coming? No
Did Mary do the relevant thing before the disaster? This During the disaster? After the disaster?
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Is time of the day relevant?
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Did Mary intentionally cause any deaths?
Causes of death (check any that apply):
-illness or disease?
-injury or other external cause?
-something else?
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Is time of the day relevant? No

Did Mary intentionally cause any deaths? No
Causes of death (check any that apply):
-illness or disease?
-injury or other external cause? All of them died from external causes
-something else?
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Were weapons involved in any death?
Were tools involved in any death?
Were other objects not above involved in any death?
Did any injury cause bleeding internally? externally?
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st elmo's fire?
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Were weapons involved in any death? Yope
Were tools involved in any death? No
Were other objects not above involved in any death? Yes (noting the Yope on "weapons")
Did any injury cause bleeding internally? externally? One caused external. No to the others.

st elmo's fire? No, but I love that song.
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Were weapons involved in any death? Yope
Were tools involved in any death? No
Were other objects not above involved in any death? Yes (noting the Yope on "weapons")
Did any injury cause bleeding internally? externally? One caused external. No to the others.

st elmo's fire? No, but I love that song.
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Was one weapon involved in one death (Mary's?) and the others died from other causes due to the weather?
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Was one weapon involved in one death (Mary's?) Don't think "weapons" -- I believe you have an FA. and the others died from other causes due to the weather? No
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The thing that caused the death isn't typically used as a weapon, then? Is it an object most people in developed countries would have in their homes?

Was the external bleeding from a puncture wound? a slash wound? something else?
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The thing that caused the death isn't typically used as a weapon, then? Yes, and this applies for how everyone died Is it an object most people in developed countries would have in their homes? Yes

Was the external bleeding from a puncture wound? a slash wound? something else? This

Feel free to ask the usual LTPF questions; they should help.
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{LTPF List Of LTPF Questions} please?

Just kidding!!!

as I recall they are:
are the principal characters H/A/M? how many are we dealing with? (LTPF list of integers)

True story? FYOI? FSEI?

LTPF list of Continents/Countries?
LTPF List of Centuries/Decades?
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how about an LTPF list of materials the object is made of?
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was the bleeding caused by a body part being cut off?
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{LTPF List Of LTPF Questions} please?

Just kidding!!! Good one

as I recall they are:
are the principal characters H/A/M? how many are we dealing with? (LTPF list of integers) One HAF (Mary), two as-yet-unnamed HAMs

True story? FYOI? This FSEI?

LTPF list of Continents/Countries? Assume USA
LTPF List of Centuries/Decades? Assume 21st

how about an LTPF list of materials the object is made of? FA

was the bleeding caused by a body part being cut off? No
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Is the object organic?
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Is the object organic? No, same FA
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May we call the dead H/A/Ms Peter and Paul? Did they die at the same time? At the same time as Mary? If not, what order did they die in (giving Peter as HAM 1 and Paul HAM 2?)
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More on weather: frost? dew?

The so-called natural disaster: is it common in that area?
How widespread it usually is: in the radius of a few meters? kilometers? may cover an area of a large city? small country? a continent?

Electronics manuals relevant?
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May we call the dead H/A/Ms Peter and Paul? Sure Did they die at the same time? No At the same time as Mary? No If not, what order did they die in (giving Peter as HAM 1 and Paul HAM 2?) Mary, Peter, Paul

More on weather: frost? dew? Neither

The so-called natural disaster: is it common in that area? Irrel, assume Yes
How widespread it usually is: in the radius of a few meters? kilometers? Usually kilometers... may cover an area of a large city? small country? Big ones could cover this, I suppose, although the impact would vary in intensity. In the puzzle's case, it was only a small one. a continent?

Electronics manuals relevant? No
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Was there a significant period of time between Mary's death and Peter's? Peter's and Paul's? Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?
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Was there a significant period of time between Mary's death and Peter's? About a minute Peter's and Paul's? A few minutes, say 5-10 Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?
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Was there more than one object?
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Was there more than one object? Yes! (That clears the FA.)
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Was there more than one object? Yes! (That clears the FA.)
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Anything in this list related to Mary's, Peter's, Paul's death:

asphyxia/drowning
toxins
head injury
chest trauma
falls
burns?
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did anyone inhale anything that caused bleeding? swallow anything?

did all three die of the same cause?

did they die because Mary failed to take the right precautions?

was the disaster an earthquake? was there a power cut?
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Anything in this list related to Mary's, Peter's, Paul's death:

asphyxia/drowning
toxins
head injury This for Paul. No to rest
chest trauma
falls
burns?

did anyone inhale anything that caused bleeding? swallow anything? Neither

did all three die of the same cause? No

did they die because Mary failed to take the right precautions? Yesish, indirectly

was the disaster an earthquake? YES! was there a power cut? Yes, but...
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I thought about the earthquake, but I wouldn't call it "weather"...

Is there other weather phenomenon than the earthquake relevant? Did Mary fail to hide possibly falling objects? Did any of them know about the earthquake in advance? Did either Peter or Paul tell Mary to do something, which would have made their surroundings safe?
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Are they a family? Does it matter?
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was Paul's head injury caused by something falling on his head?

is the room itself significant? like was Mary operating on Peter when the power went off?

did the room they were in - or part of it anyway - collapse?
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I thought about the earthquake, but I wouldn't call it "weather"... Fair enough. I just couldn't think of a better word than "weather" for it."

Is there other weather phenomenon than the earthquake relevant? No Did Mary fail to hide possibly falling objects? No Did any of them know about the earthquake in advance? No Did either Peter or Paul tell Mary to do something, which would have made their surroundings safe? No

Are they a family? The way I imagine the scenario, Mary & Peter are married, and Paul is the brother of one of them. Does it matter? No

was Paul's head injury caused by something falling on his head? Yes

is the room itself significant? Yope like was Mary operating on Peter when the power went off? No

did the room they were in - or part of it anyway - collapse? YOPE!!!
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Did the furnishings of the room collapse?
were they in Mary and Peter's house? does Paul live with them?

presuming they were in their house, were they in a:
bedroom?
living room?
kitchen?
dining room?
den?
family room?
garage?
other (please specify)?

do they perhaps work together, as well, and/or were they in an:
office?
clinic?
hospital?
restaurant?
hotel?
airport?
other?

(they could be in those places without working in them, so please answer if they don't work together, too)
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Did the furnishings of the room collapse? Noish. Wording = important.
were they in Mary and Peter's house? Yes does Paul live with them? Yes

presuming they were in their house, were they in a:
bedroom?
living room? Assume this...
kitchen?
dining room?
den?
family room? ...or this.
garage?
other (please specify)?

do they perhaps work together, as well, Irrel and/or were they in an: No, as seen above
office?
clinic?
hospital?
restaurant?
hotel?
airport?
other?

(they could be in those places without working in them, so please answer if they don't work together, too)
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did parts of the furnishings fall down? did a part of the furnishings fall on Paul's head?

were Peter and Mary also crushed by falling furniture or masonry? did they die as a result of their wounds - bleed to death? or was it a massive trauma to their organs?
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had Mary put up some shelves badly? some curtain pelmets?

had she piled up loads of stuff?
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did parts of the furnishings fall down? I think you have an FA. No. did a part of the furnishings See prev fall on Paul's head? Yes

were Peter and Mary also crushed by falling furniture or masonry? No did they die as a result of their wounds Yes, svv of "wounds" - bleed to death? No or was it a massive trauma to their organs? No

had Mary put up some shelves badly? No some curtain pelmets? No

had she piled up loads of stuff? No
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Were there any furnishings in the family room?
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Did Mary die because the room or part of it collapsed? Did Peter?

Was she partly responsible for her own death? Peter's? Paul's?
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Did an object fall onto Mary? Onto Peter?
Did Mary attempt to give aid to Paul? To Peter?
Did Paul ever attempt to give aid to Mary? To Peter?
Did Peter ever attempt to give aid to Mary? To Paul?
Or was it "every man for himself?"
Did Mary, Peter or Paul attempt to exit the room during the quake? Did any of them attempt to exit the building?
Were any of them using electronic objects before, during or after the quake?
Was either fire or electric shock involved in anyone's death?
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Were there any furnishings in the family room? Irrel!

Did Mary die because the room or part of it collapsed? No Did Peter? No

Was she partly responsible for her own death? Yes, directly Peter's? Paul's? Yes to both, indirectly

Did an object fall onto Mary? Onto Peter? Neither
Did Mary attempt to give aid to Paul? To Peter? Neither
Did Paul ever attempt to give aid to Mary? To Peter? Neither
Did Peter ever attempt to give aid to Mary? Yope To Paul? No
Or was it "every man for himself?" No
Did Mary, Peter or Paul attempt to exit the room during the quake? FA and No (but be careful) Did any of them attempt to exit the building? No
Were any of them using electronic objects before, during or after the quake? Yes; Mary was before & during (briefly)
Was either fire or electric shock involved in anyone's death? Yes to electric shock for both Mary & Peter
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Mary did something that caused her own death? And indirectly caused the other 2 people to die?
Was the electronic object that Mary was using a handheld object? Larger than that? Something mounted on a wall? Something heavy? An appliance?
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Mary did something that caused her own death? And indirectly caused the other 2 people to die? Yes to both
Was the electronic object that Mary was using a handheld object? It can be, but this one was not Larger than that? See prev Something mounted on a wall? No Something heavy? Not very, but it can be An appliance? No
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a drill? a pneumatiic drill? some kind of power tool?

a computer?
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a drill? a pneumatiic drill? some kind of power tool? a computer? No to all
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an electric light? vacuum cleaner?

something normally used in a house?
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an electric light? vacuum cleaner? Neither

something normally used in a house? Yes, most houses have at least 1
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TV? radio?
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TV? radio? This!
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did Mary do something a a result of listening to the radio?
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did Mary do something a a result of listening to the radio? No
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RECAP:

Three people are dead in a room; Mary and the weather are to blame. What happened?

The three people (Mary, Peter, & Paul) are dead in either a family room or living room. Mary & Peter died of electrocution, while Paul's head was crushed in. A radio is relevant to the deaths of Mary & Peter, while Paul's death was related to some sort of collapse.

Mary was partially to blame for all three deaths (directly hers, indirectly the others), and an earthquake was also at fault (no pun intended). All deaths were accidental.

HINT: The wording of the puzzle statement is important.
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Wild guess: Did a signal come through the radio, which was amplified by Paul's braces (even though we don't know if he has them ;-P), causing him to collapse and knock his head on something, killing him? :-)
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Wild guess: Did a signal come through the radio, which was amplified by Paul's braces (even though we don't know if he has them ;-P), causing him to collapse and knock his head on something, killing him? :-) Nope. Very lateral though.
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did Mary drop a radio in the bath?
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Was Mary trying to unplug the power cord of the radio (if it had one)? Trying to fix the radio?
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did Mary drop a radio in the bath? YESISH!!!

Was Mary trying to unplug the power cord of the radio (if it had one)? Trying to fix the radio? Neither
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Was Paul dependent on Mary and Peter for his everyday chores?
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Was Paul dependent on Mary and Peter for his everyday chores? No
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was Mary in the bath? was Peter?

was it the earthquake which made the radio fall into the bath?
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was Mary in the bath? Yes was Peter? No, but...

was it the earthquake which made the radio fall into the bath? Yes!
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Another (slightly less wild) guess: Mary was in the bathtub. Peter was in contact with the water or something else conductive that was in contact with the water. An earthquake came along and made the radio fall onto Paul's head, killing him. However, the radio then bounced off his head into the bathtub, electrocuting Mary and Peter.
On second thought, that wasn't wild at all! Just the part about the radio and Paul's head seems at all doubtful!
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Another (slightly less wild) guess: Mary was in the bathtub. Yes Peter was in contact with the water or something else conductive that was in contact with the water. Not yet! An earthquake came along Yes and made the radio fall onto Paul's head, killing him. No However, the radio then bounced off his head No into the bathtub, Yes electrocuting Mary Yes and Peter. Not yet either!
On second thought, that wasn't wild at all! Just the part about the radio and Paul's head seems at all doubtful! Not a bad thought. Remember, though, the order of their deaths and the room they were found in.
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Mary died first? In the bathtub? Yet she ended up in the family room? Which means either someone carried her from the bathtub to the family room, or...the bathroom floor collapsed, dropping the bathtub (and Mary) into the room below, which was the family room where Peter and Paul were located? Any of this on track?
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Mary died first? Yes In the bathtub? Yes Yet she ended up in the family room? Yes! Which means either someone carried her from the bathtub to the family room, No or...the bathroom floor collapsed, dropping the bathtub (and Mary) into the room below, which was the family room Yes! where Peter No and Paul were located? Yes! Any of this on track? Very!
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Mary died first? Yes In the bathtub? Yes Yet she ended up in the family room? Yes! Which means either someone carried her from the bathtub to the family room, No or...the bathroom floor collapsed, dropping the bathtub (and Mary) into the room below, which was the family room Yes! where Peter No and Paul were located? Yes! Any of this on track? Very!
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In fact, you were so on-track I posted it twice...whoops.
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did Peter rush to help Mary and got electrocuted himself before they both (and the bathtub) fell through and killed Paul?
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did Peter rush to help Mary and got electrocuted himself before they both (and the bathtub) fell through and killed Paul? Yep!!

**********SPOILER**********

Mary went up to take a bath, while Peter and Paul were in the family room below. Mary enjoyed listening to the radio while bathing, but had the bad habit of propping it on the edge of the tub. While she was in the tub and the water was running, a small earthquake struck; it was not strong enough to do any damage, but it did manage to knock the radio into the tub, electrocuting Mary and shorting out the power. However, the water continued to run. As Paul napped, Peter rushed up to help her, but slipped on the wet floor and fell into the electrified tub. The combined weight of two people plus the water covering the bathroom floor caused said floor to give way, dropping the bathtub (along with Mary & Peter) onto Paul. And thus began the puzzle.

Nice work everyone for persevering through this one, especially Ixoye and Shez for the last bits. New one soon.
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kudos Ixoye!
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Wow, that must be a weak floor if the weight of two people and some water on the floor caused it to collapse!
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Oh, I guess you actually mean that the earthquake was what initially damaged the floor, but the wording was misleading.
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Good puzzle, classic style, just a fortunate lateral leap on my part.
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Biograd -- either the earthquake weakened the floor, or the floor was old and rotten. I got the idea from this game.

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