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When a certain song became popular, there was a misconception about the people who performed the song. Two years later, the people did something that was almost unheard of in the music industry in an attempt to clear up the misconception. Prior to the popularity of the song, they had followed some wise advice regarding one aspect that affects every person or group in music. As a result of two attempts to clear up the misconception, many people were led to perpetuate the misconception or do research to clear it up. A number of people, at some point, may have felt even more misled based on a lyric in one of the group's songs.

So...can you figure out who the people were and what they did that was so uncommon, and yet so misleading at the same time? And who were among the number of people who, at one point, became even more misled?
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OK, the misconception: is it the same misconception throughout? i.e. one that some people (most people? all people?) had about the group when the certain song became popular?
Did whoever had the misconception have it before the song became popular?
Or did they get it when the song became popular?
Did the misconception arise from something to do with the song but unrelated to the performers?
Something to do with one or more of the performers but unrelated to the song?
Something to do with the way the song was performed?

Can we call the people who performed the song "the group"?
Is it a song in the generally understood sense, with music and words?

The something that was almost unheard of in the music industry: did it involve financial sacrifice? performing live? appearing on some media channel? travelling? turning down or breaking a record deal?
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penguins involved? kittehs? cheeseburgers? *hopeful*
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OK, the misconception: is it the same misconception throughout? i.e. one that some people (most people? all people?) had about the group when the certain song became popular?
Did whoever had the misconception have it before the song became popular? The misconception would not have been an issue for very many people before the song became popular, but...
Or did they get it when the song became popular?...when the song became popular, anyone who heard it and liked it probably arrived at the misconception very shortly after hearing it.
Did the misconception arise from something to do with the song but unrelated to the performers? No, the opposite - the misconception had nothing to do with the song, but with the performers of the song
Something to do with one or more of the performers but unrelated to the song? Yes
Something to do with the way the song was performed? No

Can we call the people who performed the song "the group"? Yes (you'll see the humor in this as the puzzle progresses)
Is it a song in the generally understood sense, with music and words? Yes, the song and it's meaning are both very easy to understand

The something that was almost unheard of in the music industry: did it involve financial sacrifice? performing live? appearing on some media channel? travelling? turning down or breaking a record deal? None of these
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Did the misconception involve whether one of the performers had previously been a member of another group? Had recorded as a solo artist? And just as a check, they actually were a group, i.e. they didn't just happen to appear together, and people mistakenly thought they were a group when they weren't?

Did it have anything to do with one of the group members having a name resembling? or a physical appearance similar to? another performer? or another famous person of some kind?

Did the misconception relate to where the performers were from (geographically)?

Did the misconception arise after the song because of something said in the song? or merely because before then, few in the general public had heard of the group?
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Is the humour in my calling the people who performed the song "the group" anything to do with the name of the group?

Did the group become popular as a result of the song?
Did the group attract attention because of the song?
If they had not been a music group but attracted public attention, would people still have had the same misconception?

Did a particular lyric in another song seem to confirm the misconception?
To give rise to a different misconception?
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Did the misconception involve whether one of the performers had previously been a member of another group? No
Had recorded as a solo artist? No
And just as a check, they actually were a group, i.e. they didn't just happen to appear together, and people mistakenly thought they were a group when they weren't? No, they were a group

Did it have anything to do with one of the group members having a name resembling? or a physical appearance similar to? another performer? or another famous person of some kind? No to these

Did the misconception relate to where the performers were from (geographically)? Well actually, while this wasn't a misconception as far as I know, it certainly could have been based on what people thought after they heard the song. Follow this idea...

Did the misconception arise after the song because of something said in the song? No - at least not in the initial song, but the misconception continued especially after a lyric in one of their other songs that's related to the original source of confusion
or merely because before then, few in the general public had heard of the group? Right, they came onto the music scene suddenly and from nowhere, as most people would say

Is the humour in my calling the people who performed the song "the group" anything to do with the name of the group? Yes, and for one other reason

Did the group become popular as a result of the song? Yes
Did the group attract attention because of the song? Yes, and for one other reason
If they had not been a music group but attracted public attention, would people still have had the same misconception? Yes - good q

Did a particular lyric in another song seem to confirm the misconception? YES, or rather it perpetuated the misconception
To give rise to a different misconception? No, but to keep the original one going, AND possibly to re-confuse some people who thought they weren't confused anymore
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Was the misconception about one of them? Less than all of them? All of them?

Did the misconception relate to their origin? Age? Sexuality? Habits? Lifestyle? Religion? Character? Morals? Marital/relationship status? Financial status? Political leanings? Opinions? Beliefs? Something in their past? Crime?

Was it necessary to see them in order to form the misconception?
Was it necessary to know something about them? If so, one of the list above?

Did the misconception take the form of believing something about them that wasn't true?
Not believing something about them that was true?
If it can be measured this way, was the misconception worse than the truth? Better?

Is the group The Band?
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Was the misconception about one of them? Less than all of them? All of them? It was about the group as a whole

Did the misconception relate to their origin? Indirectly, yes
Age? Sexuality? Habits? Lifestyle? None of these
Religion? Yes, but very indirectly
Character? Morals? Marital/relationship status? Financial status? Political leanings? Opinions? Beliefs? Something in their past? Crime? No to these

Was it necessary to see them in order to form the misconception? No, not at all
Was it necessary to know something about them? Yes. The misconception was formed by knowing just one thing about them.
If so, one of the list above? No

Did the misconception take the form of believing something about them that wasn't true? Yes
Not believing something about them that was true? This too, although not as much
If it can be measured this way, was the misconception worse than the truth? Better?
This isn't really a good way to measure it
Is the group The Band? No
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In order to form the misconception, was it necessary to know the name they gave their group? Their individual names? Their surnames?
Was it necessary to hear them speak?

Was the misconception that they were related to each other? were not related to each other?

Was the wise advice something related to the same area as the misconception?
Did the group, by following the wise advice, give rise to the misconception (even if the advice was on a different subject)?
Do we need to find out what the advice was?

In doing the unheard-of thing, did they release information about themselves?
Did what they did have anything to do with the music industry?
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In order to form the misconception, was it necessary to know the name they gave their group? Yes (that's what was humorous)
Their individual names? Their surnames? No
Was it necessary to hear them speak? No

Was the misconception that they were related to each other? were not related to each other?
No
Was the wise advice something related to the same area as the misconception? Yes, directly related
Did the group, by following the wise advice, give rise to the misconception (even if the advice was on a different subject)? Yes - there was already a misconception about the group's name among the small number of people who had heard of them; once they followed the advice, a whole new misconception arose and spread with the group's popularity
Do we need to find out what the advice was? It would help if you did, yes

In doing the unheard-of thing, did they release information about themselves? No
Did what they did have anything to do with the music industry? I suppose so - they did something that only a few other groups had ever done in the history of the music industry (and neither of the other groups were nearly as popular as this one)
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Did the name of the group make people think something about the members? That they must be [something]? That they must come from a particular place? From a particular kind of place?

Were the members of the group all male? All female? A mix? Did people wrongly assume from the name that they were a different gender?

Was the advice related to the choice of name?

The unheard-of thing: was it changing their name?
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Is a mondegreen relevant?
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Did the name of the group make people think something about the members? No, not about the members...the name of the group made people think something about the name of the group.
That they must be [something]? Not the members, no, but the misconception was that [something] must be [something]
That they must come from a particular place? Some may have assumed this, but this would have been a part of the main assumption
From a particular kind of place? Possibly, but this would have been an indirect assumption

Were the members of the group all male? Yes
All female? A mix? So no
Did people wrongly assume from the name that they were a different gender? No

Was the advice related to the choice of name? Yes

The unheard-of thing: was it changing their name? No, but good question. The group DID change their name, this was the advice that they were given. A name-change was not unheard of in the music industry, and their hope was that the name change would increase their popularity and assist with the group's image. As it turned out, their music took care of making them popular. The name change took care of one small misconception but still left a large one looming. In their second hit song, they did something that they intended as an attempt to get rid of the misconception, and this "something" had only been done by 2 other groups in recent music history. This "something" caused the misconception about the group to be temporarily solved, but a certain number of people discovered that the group possibly intended for it to continue. There are still a few ways to approach the solution, but it may be best to determine what the "something" was that the group did that was so unique to music.
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Did people make an assumption about the name of the group?
Did they think it must mean [something]? Represent [something]?
Did they make an assumption about why the group had chosen it?
Is the name of the group a word/a series of words these people would have recognised as already existing in reasonably common parlance?
Does it contain any words which are not immediately recognisable as English words?

Just to check I'm on the right track: was the original large misconception the one to do with the name?
Did they change their name before their first hit record?
After their record?
Was the large misconception related to the group's original name? or the one they changed it to? or both?

The something that was so unique... if they did it in their second hit song, is it something which they did via the lyrics? The music?
Something to do with the production of the song?

Did they explain away the misconception in the song?
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Did people make an assumption about the name of the group? Yes, one aspect of it
Did they think it must mean [something]? Represent [something]? YES, to both!
Did they make an assumption about why the group had chosen it? Yes, this too
Is the name of the group a word/a series of words these people would have recognised as already existing in reasonably common parlance? NO, it was extremely uncommon to almost everyone
Does it contain any words which are not immediately recognisable as English words? The group's name is two words, both of which are recognizable but their origin is not English

Just to check I'm on the right track: was the original large misconception the one to do with the name? Yes
Did they change their name before their first hit record? Yes, they did
After their record? No
Was the large misconception related to the group's original name? or the one they changed it to? or both? It was to both, but not many people knew the group's original name. The logic for the name change made sense, and it's uncertain if the group expected such a misconception to form about them

The something that was so unique... if they did it in their second hit song, is it something which they did via the lyrics? Yes The music? No
Something to do with the production of the song?
No
Did they explain away the misconception in the song? Good q - at first, almost everyone who heard the song would have thought that the misconception was now cleared up because of the lyrics. However, certain listeners realized that perhaps the misconception was meant to continue to exist.
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Is it with these lyrics that they did the almost-unique thing?
If so, is that thing addressing the public directly?
Addressing the people with the misconception directly?
When I say "directly", I mean speaking as themselves, where "I" or "we" means "I or we, the people in the group" rather than the narrator(s) of the song.
Do they use "you" in the song to address the listeners?

Did someone suggest the new name to them? Or did they think of it themselves? Did their original name contain any English words?

Did the people who had the misconception about the name recognise the words sufficiently to know what they meant as individual words?
Did they translate the words into English in order to arrive at their misconception?
Did they guess what the words meant?

Did the words in the name have more than one possible interpretation?
If so, was this deliberate on the part of the group?

Did the words in the lyrics have more than one possible interpretation?
If so, was this possibly deliberate on the part of the group?

Was perpetuating the misconception possibly deliberate on the part of the group?
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Is it with these lyrics that they did the almost-unique thing? Yes
If so, is that thing addressing the public directly? No, although this song did exactly that. It was the words they used that were so unique.
Addressing the people with the misconception directly? No, but this is also part of what they did. They used words that seemingly cleared up the misconception, and such words used in this way was a unique situation in music.
When I say "directly", I mean speaking as themselves, where "I" or "we" means "I or we, the people in the group" rather than the narrator(s) of the song. They didn't say "We" or "I", but it was implied in the lyrics
Do they use "you" in the song to address the listeners? No, but it is also implied

Did someone suggest the new name to them? No, not a new name Or did they think of it themselves? The origin of the name isn't relevant
Did their original name contain any English words?
No, and there was a "problem" with it that led someone to suggest that they change it in a certain way
Did the people who had the misconception about the name recognise the words sufficiently to know what they meant as individual words? No, the words really only were recognized as being used in a certain way in English, but the lyrics to the second song made it clear that the usage in such a way was not the intent
Did they translate the words into English in order to arrive at their misconception? No
Did they guess what the words meant? YES, the misconception has to do with what listeners guessed that the words meant

Did the words in the name have more than one possible interpretation? Yes, and the lyrics emphasized this
If so, was this deliberate on the part of the group? This is possible considering the way the lyrics of the song were written

Did the words in the lyrics have more than one possible interpretation?
If so, was this possibly deliberate on the part of the group?

Was perpetuating the misconception possibly deliberate on the part of the group?
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Did you miss these or are the answers all "no"?

Did the words in the lyrics have more than one possible interpretation?
If so, was this possibly deliberate on the part of the group?

Was perpetuating the misconception possibly deliberate on the part of the group

In the second song, did they use offensive language? Did they swear?
Did they say offensive things? Did they insult the listeners? Did they say or imply that people who thought the name meant X were stupid?

Is it relevant whst their original name was?
Did someone advise them to change it because it had some interpretation in English that they hadn't realised and wouldn't want to be associated with?

If so, is the misconception that people had about the second name related to this interpretation?
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Did you miss these or are the answers all "no"? Sorry, I missed them!

Did the words in the lyrics have more than one possible interpretation? Yes, at least the listeners thought so
If so, was this possibly deliberate on the part of the group? Yes, and the group later admitted that it may have been a deliberate move

Was perpetuating the misconception possibly deliberate on the part of the group

In the second song, did they use offensive language? Did they swear? No - actually though, some listeners thought they were doing a form of "swearing" but the group has never indicated this was the case
Did they say offensive things? No
Did they insult the listeners? No
Did they say or imply that people who thought the name meant X were stupid? No

Is it relevant whst their original name was? Somewhat, yes, but not critical to know
Did someone advise them to change it because it had some interpretation in English that they hadn't realised and wouldn't want to be associated with? No

If so, is the misconception that people had about the second name related to this interpretation? No...BUT, some listeners did claim that they had translated the group's name, and they found that it wasn't anything offensive and actually made some sense that a musical group would use the name. But then when the unique lyrics were sung, anyone who thought they had accurately interpreted or translated the name was proven to be incorrect, or at least misled.
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Are "the listeners" you mention above, the ones who claimed they had translated the name and found it not to be offensive, the people we have been referring to as "the people who had the misconception about the name"?

Are "the listeners" the people who guessed what the name meant (from an earlier answer)?

Are "the people who had the misconception about the name" the people who guessed what the name meant?

Did some people think at some point that there was something offensive about the name?

Was the misconception that there was something offensive about the meaning of the name?
That there wasn't anything offensive about the meaning of the name?
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Are "the listeners" you mention above, the ones who claimed they had translated the name and found it not to be offensive, the people we have been referring to as "the people who had the misconception about the name"? They aren't the only ones. In general, anyone who heard of the group had a misconception about the name; those who thought they had translated the name still had a misconception, but theirs was a different one

Are "the listeners" the people who guessed what the name meant (from an earlier answer)? Just some of them

Are "the people who had the misconception about the name" the people who guessed what the name meant? No, but "guessing what the name meant" makes up the core of the misconception!

Did some people think at some point that there was something offensive about the name? Most people did not; a few people suggested that it could be offensive based on the lyrics of the second hit song, but the group put an end to this rumor

Was the misconception that there was something offensive about the meaning of the name? This was part of the overall misconception; in other words, people who thought the name was something offensive had their own misconception
That there wasn't anything offensive about the meaning of the name? Well this actually was a correct assumption
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I have a theory ...are the band Irish?
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were the words in Latin? French? Spanish? German? another European language? an African language?
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So did "everyone" have the initial misconception? and was this the meaning of the name?

And then did some people think the name was offensive? And some people check and find it not to be offensive? And was each of these a separate misconception?
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I have a theory ...are the band Irish? No, the two main group members are from the UK

Were the words in Latin? French? Spanish? German? another European language? an African language?
None of these

So did "everyone" have the initial misconception? and was this the meaning of the name? Yes - when the group's first song became a hit, everyone who found out the name of the group made an assumption about it. The assumption was that the group's name meant something. This was a misconception, but the group never said what their name meant. So two years after the first hit song, their second hit song came out, and in the lyrics of this song the group did something unusual in music with regards to lyrics. The song addressed listeners, but didn't include the word "you", it was implied. Once this song came out, listeners either...

1. Had their original thought about the group's name confirmed, or...
2. Thought, "Ah, so that's it! That's what the name means!" Or...
3. Some (but only very, very few) thought, "Hey! I think they're using their name as some kind of slang for something offensive!"

So when this second song was played on the radio and became popular, it's most likely that all fans of the group and the song came to one of these conclusions.

THEN...a portion of the group's fan base found that the group had done something intentional to possibly deliberately continue the misconception. What they did is connected to the unusual thing they did with the lyrics of their second song.

SO...those who were convinced they had figured out the meaning of the group's name were actually mistaken. AND...those who didn't know what the name meant learned that the group probably wanted this mystery to continue.

THEREFORE...focus on who the group is and what they did in the lyrics of their second hit song that was not only unusual, but left the fans of the group and the song wondering about the name.


And then did some people think the name was offensive? And some people check and find it not to be offensive? And was each of these a separate misconception? Well those who thought the name meant something offensive were mistaken. Others who tried to find the meaning of the name would have been able to find a plausible meaning for it, and it wasn't anything offensive. BUT...both those who thought the name was slang for something offensive and those who thought they had found the true meaning of the name were mistaken.
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Just to check - is it the words of the lyrics alone which constitute the unusual thing? Would a person get the same idea from reading the lyrcis as from hearing them? Is there anything particular about the way the lyrics are presented in the song that gave rise to the misconception(s)?

Does the name of the band feature in the lyrics?

Did the group explain the meaning of the name in the lyrics? Why they had chosen the name?
Is the unusual thing the function of the lyrics, i.e. what the group intended the audience to understand by them?
Is it the form of the lyrics, i.e. the actual words used? Anything to do with the metre/rhyme etc?

Does the name of the group mean "the group" in whatever language it is in?

Do the two non-English words form a common phrase? A recognisable phrase? Does one of the words mean "the"?
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Well, they can be from the UK and Irish...so long as they're *Northern* Irish...*grin*
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Just to check - is it the words of the lyrics alone which constitute the unusual thing? Yes
Would a person get the same idea from reading the lyrcis as from hearing them? Yes
Is there anything particular about the way the lyrics are presented in the song that gave rise to the misconception(s)? Not in the first song, but in the second song the lyrics help confuse people who thought they understood the name, and even perpetuate the mystery of it to others

Does the name of the band feature in the lyrics?
YES! This is the unusual thing that they did. When this song came out, there were only 2 other groups who had used their own name in one of their song's lyrics.

Did the group explain the meaning of the name in the lyrics? Seemingly yes. By the way the lyrics used the name, listeners thought they were explaining the meaning of it. BUT...the way the name is used could be as a noun or a verb. AND...some listeners heard something that signalled to them that the group didn't want their name to be understood. Even some people who really liked song #2 didn't hear this "signal" for some reason.
Why they had chosen the name? No
Is the unusual thing the function of the lyrics, i.e. what the group intended the audience to understand by them? No, you've discovered the unusual thing.
Is it the form of the lyrics, i.e. the actual words used? Anything to do with the metre/rhyme etc? Not really relevant except that the group used the name in a way that could either be a verb or a noun

Does the name of the group mean "the group" in whatever language it is in? No

Do the two non-English words form a common phrase? A recognisable phrase? No, it really just makes a group's name that's made up of 2 words that don't really make sense to English speaking people (nor, as it turns out, people who were thought to be "native speakers" of a certain language)
Does one of the words mean "the"? No
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So, if the group's name is made up of 2 words, X and Y, does the way they use the name in the song which could be as a noun or as a verb use "XY" as a noun or a verb? Just X? Just Y?

Did the other words used imply that the name meant [something]? Did not mean [something]? Did the other words state either of these things explicity?

Is it safe to assume that there is an interpretation with the name as a noun, and a different interpretation with the name read as a verb?

Is the noun/verb singular? Plural?
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So, if the group's name is made up of 2 words, X and Y, does the way they use the name in the song which could be as a noun or as a verb use "XY" as a noun or a verb? Yes Just X? Just Y? No

Did the other words used imply that the name meant [something]? Yes, as well as the rhythm and beat of the song. Also, when the video for this song came out, it seemed to imply a certain meaning of the words.
Did not mean [something]? In one version of the song, some of the lyrics seemed to indicate that the name may not mean anything. BUT...listeneres would not have heard these lyrics by hearing the song on the radio or watching the video, they would have had to do something else.
Did the other words state either of these things explicity? There is a lyric in one version of the song that gives listeners reason to think that the group wanted their name to continue to have an unknown meaning.

Is it safe to assume that there is an interpretation with the name as a noun, and a different interpretation with the name read as a verb? Well as a noun the name could either refer to the group or to [a type of something]. As the assumed verb based on the song, it would refer to a person doing [the type of something].

Is the noun/verb singular? Plural? Try another way of finding out, this one's hard to answer
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Would listeners have had to see the group live in order to get the meaning that the name didn't mean anything? Would they have had to buy the song? Read the lyrics? Read a booklet which came with the single/album?
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procol harum?
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Would listeners have had to see the group live in order to get the meaning that the name didn't mean anything? No
Would they have had to buy the song? YES - they would have to have the non-radio version of the song
Read the lyrics? I don't know if this certain lyric is printed, it is not part of the main vocals but can be heard in the background
Read a booklet which came with the single/album? No
procol harum? No - good guess, but the words in this group's name appear to have a definite origin, even though they aren't meant to be considered of that language. And, this group had top ten songs in the UK and the US, I'm not sure that Procul Harum ever had any top ten songs (mainstream music). Their second song was even adapted with new lyrics and made into a promotional song for a US sports program.
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So... in the radio version of the song, the lyrics are different to the album version? Are there swearwords or other potentially offensive words in the album version?

And, to check, is it in the non-radio version that the lyrics suggest the name doesn't mean anything?

In the radio version, do the lyrics suggest that the name does mean something?

Is the version where the name of the group is used to denote either the group or [a type of something] the radio version? The non-radio version?
Is it in the other version that the name of the group is used (or interpreted) to denote a person doing [a type of something]?
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So...in the radio version of the song, the lyrics are different to the album version? There's only one significant line added in the album version. The version on the album is a little longer than the radio version but mostly due to an instrumental portion.
Are there swearwords or other potentially offensive words in the album version? No, neither version has this. There are only a few people that thought the group's name and the lyric may be something offensive.

And, to check, is it in the non-radio version that the lyrics suggest the name doesn't mean anything?
Well moreso it suggests that the group wants the name to remain a mystery
In the radio version, do the lyrics suggest that the name does mean something? Yes

Is the version where the name of the group is used to denote either the group or [a type of something] the radio version? The non-radio version? Both versions are pretty much the same, except the non-radio version adds an instrumental portion with a significant lyric sung in the background.
Is it in the other version that the name of the group is used (or interpreted) to denote a person doing [a type of something]? Both versions use the name of the group as a possible verb which would be a person doing [something]
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I do apologise for all these stupid questions. I'm still not even 100% sure how many songs or misconceptions or different lyrics we're dealing with here! Perhaps now would be a good time for someone to jump in with the name of the group. I can never dredge up musical knowledge, only think "oh, yeah" when I hear it, so I am not going to be solving this any time soon.

Is the "significant lyric" you mention the one which suggests the group want the name to remain a mystery?

To other intents and purposes, are the two versions of the song the same except for this significant lyric?

Is it correct that the name of the group is not used differently (grammatically) in each song?
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I do apologise for all these stupid questions. I'm still not even 100% sure how many songs or misconceptions or different lyrics we're dealing with here! Perhaps now would be a good time for someone to jump in with the name of the group. I can never dredge up musical knowledge, only think "oh, yeah" when I hear it, so I am not going to be solving this any time soon. Actually your questions are very good. Here's a recap of what we know so far...

The group's name is made up of two words which, while somewhat familiar to English speaking people, are not English words. They are actual words in another language. The group had their first song rate high on the charts in both the UK (where they are from) and the US. When they became popular, people were curious about their name and what it meant. Some who translated the two words thought they had found the meaning, others didn't know what it meant but thought it meant something for sure. The group's second hit song included lyrics with the group's own name. It was unclear whether they were using it as a noun or a verb, but the radio version of the song seemed to make it clear what the name meant. But, anyone who bought the album and listened to that version would have heard a lyric that indicated that the group intended that their name's meaning remain a mystery. The album version was almost identical to the radio version, the only difference was that in the album version a line from the chorus was repeated a few times and some instrumentation was included. BUT...the one main difference was that one lyric sung as a backup to the main lyrics indicates that the group wants their name to remain unclear as to the meaning.

HINT: The lyric that was included in the album version simply repeated what a "person on the street" would have been saying about the group's name


Is the "significant lyric" you mention the one which suggests the group want the name to remain a mystery? Yes

To other intents and purposes, are the two versions of the song the same except for this significant lyric? Yes, almost exactly the same - the album version is slightly longer because one line of the chorus is repeated with the "lyric" being sung in the background

Is it correct that the name of the group is not used differently (grammatically) in each song? Correct
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Would a person on the street say something along the lines of "I don't know what it means"? "It could mean anything"? "It doesn't mean anything, it's just a name"?

Are the words of the name Arabic? Asian? Russian? Eskimo?
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Would a person on the street say something along the lines of "I don't know what it means"? "It could mean anything"? "It doesn't mean anything, it's just a name"? Think more along the lines of what someone would say if they had an opportunity to talk directly to the two main members of the group...

Are the words of the name Arabic? Asian? Russian? Eskimo? An Asian language that is popular around the world
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Chinese? Korean (had to ask-I'm from South Korea :P)?
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The only UK band I can think of with a 2-word foreign (Asian) name is Kula Shaker. Is it Kula Shaker?

Would a person on the street ask "what does your name mean"?
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Chinese? Yes! The group's name is made up of two words which have a Chinese origin

The only UK band I can think of with a 2-word foreign (Asian) name is Kula Shaker. Is it Kula Shaker? No. I've never heard of Kula Shaker, but that's a good guess. The group we're looking for in this puzzle doesn't have a name like "shaker" that even resembles an English word. And the group had two top hits in the UK and the USA.

Would a person on the street ask "what does your name mean"? Yes, they would. The lyric is in the form of a question and includes the group's name.
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There's a Belgian band called Adios Pantalones as well. I have always known it wasn't them, but part of me wishes it was.

So was the lyric which appeared in the album version something like "What does [the name of the group] mean?"? Or more like "Does [name] mean [something]?"?
Was it a dialogue? Did anyone respond to the question?

And was this lyric spoken at the same time as the lyric which appeared in both versions? And is this the only thing which made the album version give the impression that the misconception had not been cleared up?

Did the lyrics in the radio version go anything like "a [group name] is a [something]"?
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So was the lyric which appeared in the album version something like "What does [the name of the group] mean?"? It was similar to this question, yes
Or more like "Does [name] mean [something]?"? No, not phrased like this
Was it a dialogue? No, it was a one sentence question
Did anyone respond to the question? No, which is what would lead people to think the group wanted it to remain unknown

And was this lyric spoken at the same time as the lyric which appeared in both versions? Yes
And is this the only thing which made the album version give the impression that the misconception had not been cleared up? Well the lyrics of the chorus also give this impression

Did the lyrics in the radio version go anything like "a [group name] is a [something]"? No, the lyrics did not directly explain what the name meant, or could possibly mean. The chorus had a lyric which included the group's name but offered no definition of it which left the listeners to interpret it for themselves.

It's permissible to explore the overall idea of the song and the rest of its lyrics if you feel like you're out of questions about the one significant lyric
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Whatever gave you the impression I was out of questions about the one significant lyric?! Would it help to find out about the overall idea of the song or the rest of its lyrics?

No, the lyrics did not directly explain what the name meant, or could possibly mean. The chorus had a lyric which included the group's name but offered no definition of it which left the listeners to interpret it for themselves

Did the group offer any explanation in either of the versions of the songs for their name? I thought the idea was that they mentioned the name in an attempt to clear up the misconception.

I still don't know many different lyrics in the song are relevant to the puzzle, and how they differ from each other. Is the group's name mentioned in the chorus in both versions? Is the group's name mentioned in any other (relevant) lyrics in both versions?

Do the versions differ from each other in any respect (relevant to the misconcepton) other than the additional lyric in the album version?
Are the choruses different?
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Whatever gave you the impression I was out of questions about the one significant lyric?! Nothing...just wanted to mention it for anyone's benefit who may get stumped along the way. You're doing nicely with your q's!
Would it help to find out about the overall idea of the song or the rest of its lyrics? Yes, it may help identify the song

No, the lyrics did not directly explain what the name meant, or could possibly mean. The chorus had a lyric which included the group's name but offered no definition of it which left the listeners to interpret it for themselves

Did the group offer any explanation in either of the versions of the songs for their name? By virtue of the overall idea of the song and they way that the group's name is used, a meaning is implied
I thought the idea was that they mentioned the name in an attempt to clear up the misconception.
The song seems to offer a simple meaning for the group's name, but the words in the name do not translate to this meaning. No other use of this name could be found, so listeners made an interpretation.
I still don't know many different lyrics in the song are relevant to the puzzle, and how they differ from each other. Is the group's name mentioned in the chorus in both versions? Yes
Is the group's name mentioned in any other (relevant) lyrics in both versions? No

Do the versions differ from each other in any respect (relevant to the misconcepton) other than the additional lyric in the album version? No
Are the choruses different? No
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Is the song as a whole about love? life? how hard it is when you are an international music sensation and no one understands you? music?

Is the song sung in the first person? Singular? Plural? Is it a story? A series of observations?
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Is the song as a whole about love? Not really. The verses seem to be about a man singing to a woman that he loves, but this isn't the overall theme of the song
life? Yes, but on a light-hearted note
how hard it is when you are an international music sensation and no one understands you? Ha! Good guess, but no...
music? No

Is the song sung in the first person? Yes (at least I think so). The first verse begins by the singer addressing himself as "I", is this what you mean?
Singular? The verses seem to be done in a way where they are spoken by the singer and addressed to one woman
Plural? The chorus is definitely addressed to many people, yes
Is it a story? No
A series of observations? No
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Is the theme of the song the vagaries of fame? Is it about the singer's life? What he thinks about something? How he feels about something? His habits?
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Is the theme of the song the vagaries of fame? No
Is it about the singer's life? The verses are, yes. They are addressed to someone (presumably a woman) and the singer is talking to this person. The chorus is addressed to numerous people, and seemingly has nothing to do with the verses.
What he thinks about something? How he feels about something? His habits? Not really any of this element
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Does the name appear to be a euphemism for something?
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Does the name appear to be a euphemism for something? Yes. The chorus is made up of two sentences - the second sentence contains the group's name; the first sentence contains words that would lead someone to think that it is helping to describe what the group's name means. The video for this song emphasizes this assumed meaning even more.
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Does it seem to be a euphemism for sex?
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Does it seem to be a euphemism for sex? No, but this is what a few people suspected that it may mean
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Does the video show people doing the thing that they think the name means?
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"They" in the previous post means "the people who infer the meaning of the name from the chorus and even more from the video", by the way!
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Does the video show people doing the thing that they think the name means? Yes
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HINT: The beat/rhythm of the song and the actions performed in the video make a strong suggestion as to the meaning of the group's name
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Does the video show people dancing? Do people think it is the name of a kind of dance?
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Does the video show people dancing? Yes, and...Do people think it is the name of a kind of dance?...YES!

The way that the group uses their name as a verb was widely assumed that their name was a kind of dance. The name can either be interpreted as a noun in the context of the lyrics (in this case the group would be referring to themselves), or as a kind of dance (which is suggested by the rhythm/beat of the song and the actions in the video)
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When you say that there are only two other groups that used their name in the song's lyrics, can you qualify that? I mean, certainly, there must be hundreds of musical groups that have done this... for example, Black-47's song that has the lyric from the cop: "Nice to meet ya Black-47?". And for an other example, say I just formed a group seconds ago called "Snail slime". My debut song has the line "Snail Slime is what we love - slurp it up just like a dove". Well it needs some work...

Understand the ambiguity here? So...The two other groups that mention their name in their song ... Are these groups that reached the weekly top 10 at a certain point? Top 40? Won some award? Achieved another kind of status?

Is the group in question the third group in this category, to quote their own name in a song in chronological order?
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When you say that there are only two other groups that used their name in the song's lyrics, can you qualify that? I mean, certainly, there must be hundreds of musical groups that have done this... for example, Black-47's song that has the lyric from the cop: "Nice to meet ya Black-47?". And for an other example, say I just formed a group seconds ago called "Snail slime". My debut song has the line "Snail Slime is what we love - slurp it up just like a dove". Well it needs some work...

Understand the ambiguity here? So...The two other groups that mention their name in their song ... Are these groups that reached the weekly top 10 at a certain point? Top 40? Won some award? Achieved another kind of status? The reason that I mention this is that an article written about this song mentions that only 2 other groups with any kind of success in the music industry had used their own name in the lyrics of a song that was considered a "hit." This song reached #2 on the US Billboard chart and was in the top 100 in the UK when it peaked. Up to that time, there were only 2 other groups who had achieved near this popularity with a song using their own name in the lyrics.

Is the group in question the third group in this category, to quote their own name in a song in chronological order? Yes - the first mainstream group to do this was in 1974, even though the song did not reach US charts (it was featured in a movie). The next one was in 1983 and this did reach US charts. The song in this puzzle was released in 1986.
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I'm not sure: did we already establish that the group's name is Wang Chung?
Was the song intended to give the impression that Wang Chung is the name of a dance? or rather, that it is not?
Is the name of the group as such ambiguous? (i.e. can it be translated in different ways?)
Are different pronunciations of the name possible? which lead to different translations?
Does one of the possible translations have a negative meaning?
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I'm not sure: did we already establish that the group's name is Wang Chung? No, we did not! That IS indeed who the group is!
Was the song intended to give the impression that Wang Chung is the name of a dance? Yes - whether or not the intent was to give this impression, many people assumed that this was the case based on the rhythm of the song and the video, plus the way they used the name "Wang Chung" in the lyrics
or rather, that it is not? The one lyric that is added to the album version makes it appear that the name may not indicate a dance (see below)
Is the name of the group as such ambiguous? (i.e. can it be translated in different ways?) Yes - the words 'Wang Chung' can be translated "Golden bell" which is a Chinese term for a perfect musical pitch (although the words do not exactly translate, they are near enough to make this assumption). So once people learned of this translation they thought this was what the group's name meant. Then, their 2nd charted song was released and seemed to tell listeners, "Actually the name means something different, it's a kind of dance." Then, the album version came out and anyone who heard it could have thought, "Well, maybe it's neither the Chinese term for perfect tone or a dance."
Are different pronunciations of the name possible? which lead to different translations? Maybe, but not related to the most common assumptions about the group's name
Does one of the possible translations have a negative meaning? No - there were a few people who thought the group was using their name as a slang term for something negative or something vulgar but the group never indicated this in any way.

After the song became popular, the group admitted in an interview that they never intended for their name to mean anything. If people thought it meant a kind of dance that was OK with them, but it certainly didn't have a negative meaning and wasn't slang for anything. The 'significant lyric' in the song's album version may have increased curiosity about the name, and was exactly what fans of the group may have been saying to each other during their popularity.

So...all we need to discover now is the 'significant lyric' in the album version that helped continue the mystery of Wang Chung's meaning.
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Let's try and wrap this one up...

HINT: If you were a fan of Wang Chung and were puzzled about the meaning of the name and you met another fan who seemed to be "in the know" about the group, what would you ask them?
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So is the song "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight"?
Would you ask the fan how to Wang Chung?
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So is the song "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight"? Yes - the title is "Everybody Have Fun Tonight", and the lyric that caused much of the assumption is this one
Would you ask the fan how to Wang Chung? Perhaps, but the question is even more basic than that. It's a question that had probably been lingering ever since the group's first hit song came out and the group became popular...
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What Wang Chung means?
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I knew that was the title; I just forgot. *facepalm*
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What Wang Chung means? Yes, this is the right idea...


*** SPOILER ***

The chorus of the radio version of the song goes:

'Everybody have fun tonight, everybody have fun tonight
Everybody Wang Chung tonight, everybody Wang Chung tonight'


In the album version, there is an additional instrumental break added, and in the background is the following lyric:

'Can you tell me what a Wang Chung is?'


So whether the group was implying that for everyone to 'Wang Chung' was to listen to their music, or that it was some kind of dance maneuver, no one knows for sure. The video for 'Everybody Have Fun Tonight' shows several people dancing behind the vocalists, and in many places in culture and in the media (for instance an episode of the TV show 'Frasier'), the phrase "Everybody Wang Chung!" seems to mean that it's a kind of dance. But in an interview after the song became popular, the two lead vocalists of Wang Chung said they were aware of the possible meanings of their name and thought it was funny that people assumed those meanings when, in fact, they didn't intend for the name to have any meaning at all.

The group's original name was 'Huang Chung' (which also had no meaning), but one of their producers suggested a name change when they discovered that people who saw the name were pronouncing 'Huang' the same as the English word 'Hung.'


Nice job everyone, one more of these will be posted now

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