| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17220 Registered: 4-2010 |
Inspired by Ixoye's card trick puzzle There is a 2-person card "game" I like to play called "Smoke and Fire" that usually results in the other person being slightly perturbed. Why? No Googling (etc) please | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 851 Registered: 1-2012 |
I play a 2-person number 'game' that usually leaves the other person being slightly perturbed as I win again...and again...and again. Once I had about 20 college students trying to figure out how a 9-year-old was beating them all with ease xD. Does the "game" perturb them because you win every time? Because it just plain creeps them out for some other reason? Does the "game" involve the whole deck? If not, only the face cards? Only the non-face cards? Some other group of cards? Could anyone play Smoke and Fire? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 5002 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it an actual game with a winner and a loser? Could it be described as something else, like a magic trick? By perturbed do you mean annoyed? Surprised? Curious? Would Commander Spock be perturbed by this game? Were you perturbed when you first encountered this game? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17222 Registered: 4-2010 |
I play a 2-person number 'game' that usually leaves the other person being slightly perturbed as I win again...and again...and again. Once I had about 20 college students trying to figure out how a 9-year-old was beating them all with ease xD. Nice... that sounds like fun =) Does the "game" perturb them because you win every time? No Because it just plain creeps them out No for some other reason? Yes Does the "game" involve the whole deck? Yes If not, only the face cards? Only the non-face cards? Some other group of cards? Could anyone play Smoke and Fire? Yes Is it an actual game with a winner and a loser? No Could it be described as something else, Probably... like a magic trick? ...but not this. By perturbed do you mean annoyed? This Surprised? Curious? Would Commander Spock be perturbed by this game? I don't know; I've never watched Star Trek. But my dad says: "Well, he's unemotional, so he wouldn't be perturbed. However, he would consider it illogical to play this game, since its only purpose is for amusement and not challenging the mental capacities." Were you perturbed when you first encountered this game? Somewhat, but I was more amused. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1919 Registered: 9-2010 |
Could a blind person play Smoke and Fire without assistance or special accommodation? With assistance/accommodation? Same questions for a deaf person? Someone who is blind and deaf? A quadrapalegic? Someone who doesn't speak English (if the other player only speaks English/doesn't speak the same language)? Is "the whole deck" a standard 52-card deck? Do you include the 2 jokers? Could you play it with two half-decks consisting of only the red cards? Only the black cards? Only the hearts and the clubs? (Same question for the other 3 combinations of one red and one black suit)? Only the higher (number) half of the deck? Only the lower (number) half of the deck? Does it matter if the cards are from two different decks if all 52 cards are contained exactly once? Could I play it if I took the queen of hearts out of 52 different sets and made it into one deck? Same question for the other 51 cards (if there's a difference). | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17225 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could a blind person play Smoke and Fire without assistance or special accommodation? No With assistance/accommodation? No Same questions for a deaf person? Yes (but not a deaf-mute) Someone who is blind and deaf? No A quadrapalegic? Yes Someone who doesn't speak English (if the other player only speaks English/doesn't speak the same language)? Probably not, because the game wouldn't work Is "the whole deck" a standard 52-card deck? Yes Do you include the 2 jokers? No Could you play it with two half-decks consisting of only the red cards? No Only the black cards? No Only the hearts and the clubs? Yes (Same question for the other 3 combinations of one red and one black suit)? Yes Only the higher (number) half of the deck? Yes Only the lower (number) half of the deck? Yes Does it matter if the cards are from two different decks if all 52 cards are contained exactly once? No Could I play it if I took the queen of hearts out of 52 different sets and made it into one deck? No Same question for the other 51 cards (if there's a difference). No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 5010 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could the game be played online? With a miniature deck? With 52 different items, differentiated in the same way as cards, that are not actual cards (for example, with painted rocks, dominos, toys?) Are questions asked? Answers given? Is any physical equipment required other than the cards (dice, for example)? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17226 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could the game be played online? No With a miniature deck? Yes With 52 different items, differentiated in the same way as cards, that are not actual cards (for example, with painted rocks, dominos, toys?) No Are questions asked? No Answers given? Yesish Is any physical equipment required other than the cards (dice, for example)? No | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1928 Registered: 9-2010 |
Could I take 26 queens of hearts and 26 queens of spades and put them together and play Smoke and Fire? If I take 52 midgets and paint pictures of one card on each of their backs, could I theoretically play Smoke and Fire with them? If so, would it be easy? Legal? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17231 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could I take 26 queens of hearts and 26 queens of spades and put them together and play Smoke and Fire? Yes If I take 52 midgets and paint pictures of one card on each of their backs, could I theoretically play Smoke and Fire with them? Highly theoretically If so, would it be easy? No Legal? Probably not Just assume an ordinary 52-card deck for this puzzle, as that's how I always play it. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 5016 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the game involve counting? Laying cards out in a certain order? Does "smoke" refer to black cards and "fire" to red ones? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17233 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the game involve counting? No Laying cards out in a certain order? No Does "smoke" refer to black cards and "fire" to red ones? Yes -- nice leap! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3999 Registered: 1-2001 |
I'd really like to see someone paint midgets, what a sight that would be! Of course they get offended at the mention of dwarf tossing, I'm sure that the mention of "midget painting" would cause some backlash. Besides, in order to even mention the idea you'd have to be politically correct and call it "Little Person Painting," but now we're moving into consideration for a new series on the TLC channel... So this is more of a joke played on someone? A stunt? A prank? A demonstration? When you participate in this, is it usually you and one other person involved? You and 2 others? Can any number of people participate? Do you usually invite others to watch when this is done? Can it be performed more than once for the same group of people? Or once you have performed it is everyone "in on it"? To begin the process, are the cards shuffled? Dealt? Is someone asked to select a card? Are the cards placed on a surface like a table? Are cards handed to anyone? Are you typically seated when you play? Can this be done if you are standing? During the process, do you say anything? Does anyone else say anything? Does the process require some word or words to be said? Are the words "smoke" and "fire" said during the process? Does the process always last the same amount of time? Or does it vary in duration? If so, does the duration affect the outcome? Does this process prey on a "victim"? Do you hold cards in your hand during the process? Does anyone else hold cards in their hand? Do cards remain stacked during the process? Are any or all of the cards spread out during the process? Do you give instructions or commands to anyone during the process? Is a fixed number of cards used during the process? Or does this vary each time the process is carried out? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17235 Registered: 4-2010 |
My computer won't let my copy/paste, so I have to type that whole thing out... gah... I'd really like to see someone paint midgets, what a sight that would be! Of course they get offended at the mention of dwarf tossing, I'm sure the mention of "midget painting" would cause some backlash. Besides, in order to even mention the idea you'd have to be politically correct and call it "Little Person Painting," but now we're moving into consideration for a new series on the TLC channel... So is this more of a joke played on someone? Yes A stunt? A prank? This too A demonstration? When you participate in this, is it usually you and one other person involved? Yes, always You and 2 others? Can any number of people participate? No Do you usually invite others to watch when this is done? Not always. I just go with whoever's around Can it be performed more than once for the same group of people? No Or once you have performed it is everyone "in on it"? Yes - good q To begin the process, are the cards shuffled? Yes Dealt? No Is someone asked to select a card? No Are the cards placed on a surface like a table? No Are cards handed to anyone? No Are you typically seated when you play? Sometimes; it makes no difference Can this be done if you are standing? Yes During the process, do you say anything? Not during, but... Does anyone else say anything? Yes Does the process require some word or words to be said? Yes Are the words "smoke" and "fire" said during the process? Yes Does the process always last the same amount of time? More or less Or does it vary in duration? Only by seconds If so, does the duration affect the outcome? No Does this process prey on a "victim"? Yes Do you hold cards in your hand during the process? Yes Does anyone else hold cards in their hand? No Do cards remain stacked during the process? Yes Are any or all of the cards spread out during the process? No Do you give instructions or commands to anyone during the process? Before starting, I give instructions Is a fixed number of cars used during the process? Or does this vary each time the process is carried out? DOYD of "used" | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1931 Registered: 9-2010 |
Does everyone start with the same fixed number of cards in their hand, but wind up actually "playing" not necessarily the same number? Is anything relevant about the cards other than the color? Or could I play it with 26 cut-up pieces of red paper and 26 cut-up pieces of black paper? Or would that one be "no" because they'd be red/black on both sides? What if I take 52 sheets of paper, write "RED" in red ink on half of them, and "BLACK" in black ink on the other half? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1932 Registered: 9-2010 |
Oops, my first question should be "Do you start with the same fixed number of cards in your hand...." since the opponent doesn't have any. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 5021 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the words "Where there's smoke, there's fire," used? Could you use more or fewer than 52 cards? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17237 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you start with the same fixed number of cards in their hand, Yes but wind up actually "playing" not necessarily the same number? Yes, svv of "playing" Is anything relevant about the cards other than the color? No, so I don't need to answer the rest of your questions Are the words "Where there's smoke, there's fire," used? No Could you use more or fewer than 52 cards? Yes (it can be played with an incomplete deck, for instance) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 5024 Registered: 5-2003 |
What's the minimum and maximum number of cards that can be used? Do you need to have an even amount? An equal amount of each color? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17238 Registered: 4-2010 |
What's the minimum and maximum number of cards that can be used? Theoretical minimum is 27. Maximum can be theoretically infinite. Do you need to have an even amount? No An equal amount of each color? No | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5612 Registered: 9-2010 |
It's not "52 Pickup" is it? (I get more than slightly perturbed with that one, lol. No cheezburgur for the kitteh who tries that one on me...) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17240 Registered: 4-2010 |
It's not "52 Pickup" is it? It's not, but it's along those lines (I get more than slightly perturbed with that one, lol. No cheezburgur for the kitteh who tries that one on me...) | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4001 Registered: 1-2001 |
At the end of the stunt, are you holding all of the cards? Is the other person holding any of them? Are neither of you holding the cards? Are any other objects or "props" used during the stunt? Does the stunt end when a certain card is shown? Does the other person see several cards during the stunt? After you give instructions, do you say anything else before, during or after the stunt? Does the other person look at you during the stunt? Are they blindfolded? Do they look at something else? Do they look at the cards? For the stunt, do you display random cards? Or have you pre-selected certain cards which will be shown? Do you alternate showing black/red cards to the other person? Do you ask the other person to draw cards? Is there a certain point at which your actions change? Is there a specific "stopping point" to the stunt? Is there a point where the other person realizes that it's a stunt, and that's when you end it? Do you throw any cards at any point? Is the other person supposed to simply say "smoke" or "fire" in response to seeing black or red cards? Is there a certain card that is supposed to get a different response? Do you yell anything during the stunt? Does the other person yell anything? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3105 Registered: 2-2011 |
does the game involve memorising things? having a good memory? does it involve manual dexterity? is it a trick? do you cheat? is it a magic trick? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17242 Registered: 4-2010 |
At the end of the stunt, are you holding all of the cards? Is the other person holding any of them? Are neither of you holding the cards? This Are any other objects or "props" used during the stunt? No Does the stunt end when a certain card is shown? Yope Does the other person see several cards during the stunt? Yes After you give instructions, do you say anything else before, during or after the stunt? No Does the other person look at you during the stunt? Yes, and more specifically... Are they blindfolded? Do they look at something else? Do they look at the cards? This For the stunt, do you display random cards? Yesish Or have you pre-selected certain cards which will be shown? No Do you alternate showing black/red cards to the other person? No Do you ask the other person to draw cards? No Is there a certain point at which your actions change? Yes Is there a specific "stopping point" to the stunt? Yes Is there a point where the other person realizes that it's a stunt, and that's when you end it? Yesish Do you throw any cards at any point? YES Is the other person supposed to simply say "smoke" or "fire" in response to seeing black or red cards? Yes Is there a certain card that is supposed to get a different response? Yope Do you yell anything during the stunt? No Does the other person yell anything? No does the game involve memorising things? having a good memory? does it involve manual dexterity? is it a trick? do you cheat? is it a magic trick? No to all | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 5031 Registered: 5-2003 |
Do you toss cards on the table? At the other player? Is there a pattern to the game? If so, do you break the pattern at some point? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17243 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you toss cards on the table? No At the other player? Yes Is there a pattern to the game? Yopish If so, do you break the pattern at some point? Yopish | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1939 Registered: 9-2010 |
Do you throw the cards at the person if they're wrong? If they're right? Regardless? Do you "fire" something (like a water gun) at them when they yell "fire"? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1940 Registered: 9-2010 |
So we *would* be playing dwarf tossing if we painted the cards on their backs. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4007 Registered: 1-2001 |
Dwarf card tossing sounds fun...the little people would never agree to do it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17246 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you throw the cards at the person if they're wrong? If they're right? Regardless? No to these... Do you "fire" something (like a water gun) at them when they yell "fire"? Yes (not a water gun)... | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 866 Registered: 1-2012 |
Is it a gun of any type? Paintball gun? Nerf gun? Considering they're only annoyed, I seriously doubt it's a real gun xP. If not a gun, perhaps water balloons? Is what you 'fire' at them relevant? Do you throw the cards (or 'fire' whatever) when the person says 'fire' in response to a red card? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1944 Registered: 9-2010 |
Do you set anything on fire? Do you fire them from their job? If so, are you really their boss or is it a "job" in the card game? Is this your way of firing employees? That would be interesting. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17250 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you throw the cards (or 'fire' whatever) when the person says 'fire' in response to a red card? And we have a winner... **********SPOILER********** The game works like this: I instruct the other player that when he (or she, obviously) sees a black card, to say "Smoke," and a red card, "Fire." I shuffle the deck but usually put a couple extra black cards at the bottom of the deck. Then I hold the deck up so that he sees the bottom card. They say "Smoke," I move that card to the top of the deck, they say "Smoke," I move the card, etc. When the first red card appears, they say "Fire." I obey the order and fire the cards (via a throw or flick) at them. Then the game is up, and the other player is usually annoyed or amused. Nice work everyone: a lot of you helped out in solving this. Next puzzle coming up. |
