| Author | Message | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1058 Registered: 6-2003 |
I used to have a scrund related to a particular music video clip. Later the scrund got resolved when I got some additional information. How ignorant can they be? Don't they know at least ..? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2038 Registered: 9-2009 |
...that California is in the USA? ... that Germany is in Europe? ... that the Moon is a satellite? Were they ignorant about: historic facts? Geography? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1060 Registered: 6-2003 |
Rbruma ...that California is in the USA? ... that Germany is in Europe? ... that the Moon is a satellite? Nothing of this kind. Were they ignorant about: historic facts? No, with a tiny -ish Geography? No. | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 370 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did their ignorance have anything to do with... ...nationalities? ...specific types of people? ...professions? ...something else specificly human-relevant? ...something involving animals? ...nature/environment/vegetation? ...the meaning of specific words? ...laws of physics or similar? ...aspects of a specific culture? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1061 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jondahr -- this time spelled right, sorry for the misspelling of your name in the other puzzle Did their ignorance have anything to do with... ...nationalities? No. ...specific types of people? In one sense, yes. ...professions? No. ...something else specificly human-relevant? It is human-relevant but could apply also to animals. ...something involving animals? But here, animals are not involved. ...nature/environment/vegetation? No. ...the meaning of specific words? No. ...laws of physics or similar? No. ...aspects of a specific culture? Hmm. Let's say yope. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2944 Registered: 7-2009 |
Does the scrund have anything to do with music? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1065 Registered: 6-2003 |
Noel Does the scrund have anything to do with music? No, at least not directly. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3230 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the scrund contained in the lyrics of one of their songs? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1066 Registered: 6-2003 |
Shez is the scrund contained in the lyrics of one of their songs? Not contained, but the lyrics of one song are relevant. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4202 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are we allowed ask questions about genre? year? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1072 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 Are we allowed ask questions about genre? year? Sure. It's best described as "80's pop". | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4206 Registered: 1-2007 |
Oh goodie an 80's pop puzzle. Is the video very well known ? Was this a big hit? Apart from the lyrics is there something visual in the video that contributes to your having this scrund? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1075 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 Is the video very well known? Yes, I think so. Was this a big hit? It was number one in Ireland and Germany, number three in UK, and in the top ten in many other countries. Apart from the lyrics is there something visual in the video that contributes to your having this scrund? Yes, very much so. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4209 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the video considered ground breaking from a technological perspective e.g A-Ha's 'Take on Me' or 'Thriller' Is this song performed by a band? from the UK? US? other? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1080 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 Was the video considered ground breaking from a technological perspective e.g A-Ha's 'Take on Me' or 'Thriller'? No, I would not say so. Is this song performed by a band? By a solo singer. from the UK? US? other? From the UK. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4212 Registered: 1-2007 |
I'm trying not to make this a guessing game but I've got a theory so I'll ask is it a male or female singer? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1082 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 I'm trying not to make this a guessing game but I've got a theory so I'll ask is it a male or female singer? Male. | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 375 Registered: 10-2011 |
The clip that contained your scrund, did it involve this singer directly (as in was he in frame)? Other actors/extras? Any instruments involved? Was there something about the singer you thought was wrong? About the setting? The place he was? Something he did? Something somebody else was doing? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1088 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jondahr The clip that contained your scrund, did it involve this singer directly (as in was he in frame)? Yes. Other actors/extras? Yes. Any instruments involved? You mean, whether instruments were visible in the clip? I'm not sure, but not really relevant. Was there something about the singer you thought was wrong? No (and possibly a false assumption). About the setting? This is closest. The place he was? No. Something he did? No. Something somebody else was doing? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17332 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the scrund related to (then-)current events? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2954 Registered: 7-2009 |
Related to the setting -- were any of the following details about the video relevant to your scrund? The country it took place in? The part of the world it took place in? The culture it took place among? The physical features (mountains, rivers, etc.) shown in the video? The man-made location it was at? Living plants or animals in the scene? The time/era when it took place? The time of day when it took place? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1091 Registered: 6-2003 |
Balin Was the scrund related to (then-)current events? No. Noel Related to the setting -- were any of the following details about the video relevant to your scrund? The country it took place in? The part of the world it took place in? The culture it took place among? The physical features (mountains, rivers, etc.) shown in the video? The man-made location it was at? Living plants or animals in the scene? The time/era when it took place? The time of day when it took place? Of all this, only culture is somewhat relevant. But not so much as a cultural background or setting that features in the video as rather some aspect of culture in general. (Hard to answer that, because I think there's still a false assumption about what my scrund was. Have a careful look at the puzzle statement?) | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1096 Registered: 6-2003 |
HINTS 1) My scrund was not that there was something wrong in the video what actually was correct. Rather, .. 2) Jondahr's questions of 26 July deserve some deeper investigation. 3) The title is a hint itself. | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 386 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did the music video clip give the impression that the makers of the video thought certain people were ignorant? Or did you think that the creators of the music video were ignorant? Any of these relevant: Members of a certain culture? A certain nationality? Gender? Age? Social status? Rich/poor? Parents? Children? Other aspects of family? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1097 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jondahr Did the music video clip give the impression that the makers of the video thought certain people were ignorant? Or did you think that the creators of the music video were ignorant? This one. Well done. Any of these relevant: Members of a certain culture? To some extent. A certain nationality? Which is implied by this. Gender? Yes. Age? No. Social status? No. Rich/poor? No. Parents? Children? Other aspects of family? No, with a very tiny -ish. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 2024 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was a specific day referenced or shown? And something happened on that day in real life? That doesn't make sense with the rest of the song/video? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1100 Registered: 6-2003 |
Gregoryuconn Was a specific day referenced or shown? No, the puzzle title is relevant in a different way. And something happened on that day in real life? No. That doesn't make sense with the rest of the song/video? But there was indeed something in the video that did not make sense. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4229 Registered: 1-2007 |
Not sure how to phrase this but was this one of those videos that attempts to tell the story contained in the song? or was it just a bunch of arty images set to music? Was this a one hit wonder? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1101 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 Not sure how to phrase this but was this one of those videos that attempts to tell the story contained in the song? or was it just a bunch of arty images set to music? More the first one. Was this a one hit wonder? No. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 2033 Registered: 9-2010 |
Anachronisms relevant? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1102 Registered: 6-2003 |
Gregoryuconn Anachronisms relevant? No. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1103 Registered: 6-2003 |
Gregoryuconn Anachronisms relevant? No. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4241 Registered: 1-2007 |
Nick Kershaw? Howard Jones? Is it Synth pop music? Lots of really cool solo males in the 80's including my fav Eddie Grant? It's not him I take it? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1112 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 Nick Kershaw? Howard Jones? Both good guesses, but, unfortunately, no. Is it Synth pop music? No, I would not call it this way. Although a synth appears, the song is dominated by the singer's voice rather than synth music. Lots of really cool solo males in the 80's including my fav Eddie Grant? It's not him I take it? It's not him. (and another scrund got resolved .. I did not know that he's from the UK, I always thought that he is from Jamaica or some other Caribbean island.) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4251 Registered: 1-2007 |
Well actually we're both sort of right. He was born in the Caribbean but moved to the UK as a young boy. He was a cool dude and no mistake. Judging from your last response I'd say the singers voice was especially unique , is that the case? Gary Numan ? Cars? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1115 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 Judging from your last response I'd say the singers voice was especially unique, is that the case? Perhaps not especially, but you would recognize it when you hear it. Gary Numan? Cars? No to both, sorry. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4254 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the solo artist formerly a member of a band? Was it Feargal Sharkey perhaps? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1117 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 Was the solo artist formerly a member of a band? Actually, yes, but first of all he is known as a solo artist. Was it Feargal Sharkey perhaps? No. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4259 Registered: 1-2007 |
Geroge Michael? Phil Collins? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1118 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 George Michael? Phil Collins? No, but it's getting closer. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 311 Registered: 2-2012 |
Well, then Peter Gabriel it is? Would one have to actually had seen the video to get the scrund? Or could one get scrund from the lyrics themselves? (I for one, have not seen more than two or three music videos in my whole life - I'm astounded by how many of these song puzzles involve videos. Is this a European thing perhaps? In USA, I don't think that any of my personal friends watches music videos ala MTV {or if they did, they wouldn't admit it!} .. possibly the teenage crowd might watch music videos on cable TV, but no or very few adults do) | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 312 Registered: 2-2012 |
Well, then Peter Gabriel it is? Would one have to actually had seen the video to get the scrund? Or could one get scrund from the lyrics themselves? (I for one, have not seen more than two or three music videos in my whole life - I'm astounded by how many of these song puzzles involve videos. Is this a European thing perhaps? In USA, I don't think that any of my personal friends watches music videos ala MTV {or if they did, they wouldn't admit it!} .. possibly the teenage crowd might watch music videos on cable TV, but no or very few adults do) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4264 Registered: 1-2007 |
I was going to guess Peter Gabriel and Sledgehammer but that video would have been considered ground breaking and an earlier question about whether the video was considered to be technologically ground breaking got a no. Beechbum , you have to remember how popular music video's were in the 80's . They were the latest thing back then and there were many instances of a good video making a massive hit out of an ordinary song. We didn't have iPod's or uTube back then so music video was very cutting edge. Of course I agree a music video puzzle for a current song might seem strange. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1120 Registered: 6-2003 |
In the 80's music videos were still new, and there were lots of creative people in this field. There were some really good videos in the 80's, but now, I agree with you, it's just mass production. (I'm sure there are a lot of people who still remember the video of "Take on me" .. but who remembers the video of any #1 song of the 2000's?) OK, no more name guessing. The singer is Sir Elton John, and the song is "Nikita". The video is not ground breaking in any way, rather it is more or less average both from style and technology. But when I saw the video I immediately spotted something that makes me remember it till today. For those who do not remember, the video basically shows a young blonde blue-eyed woman in the uniform of the East German border guards. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3006 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is her uniform relevant? The Berlin Wall? Could you have had the same reaction if she had been in a West German uniform? A uniform from unified Germany? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1122 Registered: 6-2003 |
Noel Is her uniform relevant? No. The Berlin Wall? No. Could you have had the same reaction if she had been in a West German uniform? Actually, yes. A uniform from unified Germany? Theoretically, yes, only that they did not yet exist in 1985. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3009 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the woman relevant? Is Germany (East or West) relevant? The fact that Nikita is a Russian name (isn't it?)? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1123 Registered: 6-2003 |
Noel Is the woman relevant? Yes, it's relevant that she is a woman. Is Germany (East or West) relevant? Not especially. The fact that Nikita is a Russian name (isn't it?)? This is somewhat relevant. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4265 Registered: 1-2007 |
The fact that Nikita is a man's name? Krushchev relevant? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1124 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 The fact that Nikita is a man's name? Yes! Got it. Krushchev relevant? As a very prominent example of a man with this name, yes. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4266 Registered: 1-2007 |
So you thought the video was wrong because Nikita is a man's name but something happened subsequently that made you aware that the video was acutally correct, is that right? Did you subsequently meet a female Nikita? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1125 Registered: 6-2003 |
Peter365 So you thought the video was wrong because Nikita is a man's name Yes. but something happened subsequently that made you aware that the video was acutally correct, is that right? No. When I watched the video I thought ... (what you can read in the puzzle statement). But later I realized that it was rather purpose than ignorance. Did you subsequently meet a female Nikita? No, unfortunately not. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3011 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the old TV show "La Femme Nikita" (the woman Nikita) relevant? If so, any specific details of the show? Or just the fact that it was also about a female Nikita? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4269 Registered: 1-2007 |
Maybe Elton John's sexuality is relevant. Was the video a bit of a private joke for Elton i.e. show a gorgeous blond but i'm really singing about a man? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1126 Registered: 6-2003 |
Noel Is the old TV show "La Femme Nikita" (the woman Nikita) relevant? No, and I must admit that I did not know about this show. If so, any specific details of the show? Or just the fact that it was also about a female Nikita? No. Peter365 Maybe Elton John's sexuality is relevant. Was the video a bit of a private joke for Elton i.e. show a gorgeous blond but i'm really singing about a man? Yes. .. and that qualifies for a .. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1127 Registered: 6-2003 |
SPOILER How ignorant can they be? Don't they know at least ..? In the 80's there were already widespread rumours about Elton John's homosexuality but he did not yet make it public. So, when I heard the song (knowing that Nikita is a men's name) I thought "ok, he wrote a song about a young man, so he's probably gay, and there is nothing strange about it". But then I saw the video and immediately thought "gosh, could it be that he just did not know that Nikita is a man? he should have heard of Nikita Khrushchev at least." Later I realized that the makers of the video very likely decided to show a woman instead of a man on purpose in order not to make it too obvious. (Elton John was still married that time.) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4271 Registered: 1-2007 |
You won't believe me but early in this puzzle I thoght of Elton John and more so the song 'Nikita' but I dismissed it for some reason. Nice puzzle Sundowner. |
