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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Claudette wrote a poem with a Holocaust theme, she avoided sending it to any Jewish magazine, even though she knew it would not offend Jewish readers and she had nothing against publishing in Jewish magazines (and had in fact published in them before). How come?
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Were her reasons related to...

The Author?
Content of the poem?
Her sources? references?
The time of year?
Publishing cycles/deadlines?
Newspaper vs. Magazine?

Did she avoid sending the poem to any OTHER types of media?
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Were her reasons related to...

The Author? no
Content of the poem? yes
Her sources? no references? no
The time of year? no
Publishing cycles/deadlines? irrel
Newspaper vs. Magazine? irrel

Did she avoid sending the poem to any OTHER types of media? No--it was published in a magazine, a newspaper, & a professional journal
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Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the reason she did not send it to the Jewish magazine:
because she didn't think they would print it? because she didn't think people who read that magazine would want to read it? because she didn't want her name associated with something published in that magazine? because she wanted the poem to be be read by people other than would read the Jewish magazine? by lots more people?

did she particularly want a non Jewish readership?
did she think the Jewish magazine would have published it?

was the poem making a point? and that point needed it to be in a non Jewish magazine?
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the reason she did not send it to the Jewish magazine:
because she didn't think they would print it? nobecause she didn't think people who read that magazine would want to read it? no because she didn't want her name associated with something published in that magazine? No, as the puzzle statement says, she had nothing against publishing in Jewish magazines & had done so already because she wanted the poem to be be read by people other than would read the Jewish magazine? No--the poem was published in 3 places, so publishing it in a Jewish magazine would not have precluded publishing it elsewhereby lots more people? see previous answer

did she particularly want a non Jewish readership? no
did she think the Jewish magazine would have published it?possibly

was the poem making a point? noish and that point needed it to be in a non Jewish magazine? ditto
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Are economic reasons relevant for her decision? Political reasons? Moral reasons? Personal tastes?
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Are economic reasons relevant for her decision? Political reasons? Moral reasons? Personal tastes? no to all
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Had she already sent the poem in to the Jewish magazines during a previous year? Was she invited to share the old poem in these new publications?

The content of the poem: Offensive to some? Inspirational? Depressing? Likely to trigger PTSD?

Was she trying to avoid the piles of fan mail she got every time she published in Jewish magazines?
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Was it very similar to other poems in Jewish magazines? But she wanted to send it places where it would be distinctive?
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Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 12:46 am:
Had she already sent the poem in to the Jewish magazines during a previous year? no Was she invited to share the old poem in these new publications? no

The content of the poem: Offensive to some? noInspirational? yeech--no!! Depressing? irrelLikely to trigger PTSD? no

Was she trying to avoid the piles of fan mail she got every time she published in Jewish magazines? no -- false assumption!!
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Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 5:23 am:
Was it very similar to other poems in Jewish magazines?no But she wanted to send it places where it would be distinctive? no
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Is it relevant what reaction she had received when she published in Jewish magazines previously? If so, a positive one? Negative one?

Is Claudette Jewish? Relevant?

Should we find out more about the content of the poem, other than it being about the Holocaust? Is its title relevant? Its style (rhyme scheme, vocabulary used etc)? Is it actually relevant that it is about the Holocaust?

If she had written a story about the Holocaust, would she have done the same thing for the same reason?

Is there anything relevant about the usual readership of Jewish magazines, besides the fact that they are (I assume?) mainly Jewish?

In fact - by Jewish magazines, do you mean ones dealing with Jewish issues and themes? Or ones owned by Jewish people/companies? Or something else?
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E-mailed.
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Is it relevant what reaction she had received when she published in Jewish magazines previously? no If so, a positive one? Negative one?

Is Claudette Jewish? irrelRelevant? no

Should we find out more about the content of the poem, other than it being about the Holocaust? yesIs its title relevant? noIts style (rhyme scheme, vocabulary used etc)? noIs it actually relevant that it is about the Holocaust? yes

If she had written a story about the Holocaust, would she have done the same thing for the same reason?possiobly

Is there anything relevant about the usual readership of Jewish magazines, besides the fact that they are (I assume?) mainly Jewish? no

In fact - by Jewish magazines, do you mean ones dealing with Jewish issues and themes? yes Or ones owned by Jewish people/companies? no Or something else? no
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Is the poem about concentration camps? death camps? ghettos? deportation? the way people died in camps?the aftermath of the holocaust?
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Is the poem about concentration camps? yesish death camps? yesishghettos? no deportation? the way people died in camps? nothe aftermath of the holocaust? yes
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Are the camp survivors relevant? The descendants of camp prisoners? Jews who fled Europe before or during the holocaust?

Is the poem about how politics dealt with the holocaust? How media dealt with it? How Jews dealt with it?

Is Germany relevant?
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Are the camp survivors relevant?no more than any other aspect of the Holocaust The descendants of camp prisoners? ditto Jews who fled Europe before or during the holocaust? no

Is the poem about how politics dealt with the holocaust? yopeHow media dealt with it?yope How Jews dealt with it? no

Is Germany relevant? yesish
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Reposted from my e-mail:

Did "Claudette" publish her poem in pay-per-view media so that the LTPF would have a harder time figuring out what her poem was about? <b>NO. AS I SAID, IT WAS IN A MAGAZINE, A NEWSPAPER, & AN ACADEMIC JOURNAL. BUT YOUR SUGGESTION OF THE REASON IS ORT. <b>
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/poems/51698270/light

Is the poem about a non-Jewish person?YES Specifically, a German(?) guard at Auschwitz? <b>YES--DID YOU SEE IT, OR IS THIS AN INSPIRED GUESS? <b> Thus, even though the poem is about the Holocaust, the poem really wouldn't be applicable for Media that focuses on the Jewish community. <b>NO, THAT'S NOT THE REASON.<b>

My suggestion was on the right track... if she wasn't worried about Jewish people seeing it... is it possible she was worried about Germans seeing it? Is there a particular group of trolls that send you hate-mail when you publish your poems? A German community perhaps that monitors Jewish publications?
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If you click on the link you'll see 2 lines of the poem in the "Abstract." That's all I've seen.
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Is the poem supposed to be ambiguous? Is it meant to take the reader a little while to figure out what it is about? Did she fear that if it was published in Jewish magazines, the readers would be on the lookout for poems about subjects closely related to Jewish people, so would realise what it was about?
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Reposted from my e-mail:

Did "Claudette" publish her poem in pay-per-view media so that the LTPF would have a harder time figuring out what her poem was about? <b>NO. AS I SAID, IT WAS IN A MAGAZINE, A NEWSPAPER, & AN ACADEMIC JOURNAL. BUT YOUR SUGGESTION OF THE REASON IS ORT. <b>
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/poems/51698270/light It was evidently posted on the Web in a paDlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Reposted from my e-mail:

Did "Claudette" publish her poem in pay-per-view media so that the LTPF would have a harder time figuring out what her poem was about? <b>NO. AS I SAID, IT WAS IN A MAGAZINE, A NEWSPAPER, & AN ACADEMIC JOURNAL. BUT YOUR SUGGESTION OF THE REASON IS ORT. <b>
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/poems/51698270/light

Is the poem about a non-Jewish person?YES Specifically, a German(?) guard at Auschwitz? <b>YES--DID YOU SEE IT, OR IS THIS AN INSPIRED GUESS? <b> Thus, even though the poem is about the Holocaust, the poem really wouldn't be applicable for Media that focuses on the Jewish community. <b>NO, THAT'S NOT THE REASON.<b>

My suggestion was on the right track... if she wasn't worried about Jewish people seeing it... is it possible she was worried about Germans seeing it? Is there a particular group of trolls that send you hate-mail when you publish your poems? A German community perhaps that monitors Jewish publications?
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If you click on the link you'll see 2 lines of the poem in the "Abstract." That's all I've seen.
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Is the poem supposed to be ambiguous? Is it meant to take the reader a little while to figure out what it is about? Did she fear that if it was published in Jewish magazines, the readers would be on the lookout for poems about subjects closely related to Jewish people, so would realise what it was about?r-view format (by one of the places that originally published it), but I had no hand in this & didn't even know about it till now.

Is the poem about a non-Jewish person?YES Specifically, a German(?) guard at Auschwitz? <b>YES--DID YOU SEE IT, OR IS THIS AN INSPIRED GUESS? <b> Thus, even though the poem is about the Holocaust, the poem really wouldn't be applicable for Media that focuses on the Jewish community. <b>NO, THAT'S NOT THE REASON.<b>

My suggestion was on the right track... if she wasn't worried about Jewish people seeing it... is it possible she was worried about Germans seeing it? no Is there a particular group of trolls that send you hate-mail when you publish your poems? no A German community perhaps that monitors Jewish publications? no
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If you click on the link you'll see 2 lines of the poem in the "Abstract." That's all I've seen.
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Is the poem supposed to be ambiguous? no Is it meant to take the reader a little while to figure out what it is about? yes Did she fear that if it was published in Jewish magazines, the readers would be on the lookout for poems about subjects closely related to Jewish people, so would realise what it was about? yes

******** SPOILER ************
When Claudette wrote a poem (called "Light") whose surprise ending was that the sweet crippled old German lady at the end of the block had been a guard at Auschwitz, she (i.e., this forum's very own FN) did not send it to a Jewish magazine because she was afraid that seeing it there would make readers predict the ending. See if you can predict the ending of my new puzzle at the bottom of the page.

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