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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Friday, October 12, 2012 - 8:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As you were much quicker to solve my last puzzle than I assumed, I am posting a new one, inspired by Modicum:

I found out that a lot of people had the same scrund. It was related to my hobby and they kept asking me about it all the time. It always took me some time to explain them that I am not such a monster that I might seem.

What was the scrund about?
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does your hobby involve children? animals? other people?

is it a fairly unusual hobby?

is it collecting things? making things? mending things?

is it involved with the arts? science? sport?
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does your hobby involve children? Sometimes animals? No other people? Yes

is it a fairly unusual hobby? I'd say yes

is it collecting things? making things? mending things? None of these

is it involved with the arts? science? sport? This
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is it a team sport? a ball sport?

is it played indoors? outdoors?

on a special court? or track?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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is it a team sport? no a ball sport? no

is it played indoors? this outdoors?

on a special court? or track? yesish, with svv of "track"
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svv track = hallways? does it require a particular surface type? (say, smooth or slippery floors, or carpet)?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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svv track = hallways? It is not usually done in a hallway, although it would definitely be feasible does it require a particular surface type? (say, smooth or slippery floors, or carpet)? Yes, exactly so
Shez (Shez)
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is it played on a table? a special table? a board?

is it played standing up?
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Roller skating/blading? Roller derby?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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is it played on a table? a special table? a board? Neither

is it played standing up? Yes Roller skating/blading? Roller derby? Neither

And a little BLOOPER-ish correction - in fact, it requires a special surface only during competition, in normal exercise it is not necessary
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Running?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Running? Nope
Shez (Shez)
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does it involve throwing something? shooting something?

wearing special clothing? protective wear?
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does it involve throwing something? shooting something?

wearing special clothing? protective wear?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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does it involve throwing something? shooting something? Neither

wearing special clothing? protective wear? Yes to both (that is, the activity itself, not the scrund)
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fencing?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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fencing? Bingo!

Now what scrund can a layman have about fencing that makes fencers look like monsters?
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Trying...

Do you use to go with a sword in public? With a knife? Something that looks like that?

Do you use some regulation of the sport for other activities? (In the sense that you say "en garde!" "pret".... "allez!" in a totally unrelated thing?)

Sorry if I mispelled some words, I'm unfamiliar with the sport itself
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Do they think the swords are sharpened?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Trying... Go ahead... :-))

Do you use to go with a sword in public? Assume yes With a knife? Something that looks like that?

Do you use some regulation of the sport for other activities? (In the sense that you say "en garde!" "pret".... "allez!" in a totally unrelated thing?) No, not in that sense

Sorry if I mispelled some words, I'm unfamiliar with the sport itself. No, you got it basically all right

Do they think the swords are sharpened? That's definitely another common scrund, too, but not the one I have in mind
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is the scrund about the aim of fencing? about how you score? about the rules?

about the equipment?
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is the scrund about the aim of fencing? about how you score? about the rules?

about the equipment?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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is the scrund about the aim of fencing? about how you score? about the rules? None of these

about the equipment? This
Shez (Shez)
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do they think the foils? epees? are sharp?

do they think people get an electric shot when they are hit?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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do they think the foils? epees? are sharp? No as far as this scrund is concerned (otherwise they definitely do)

do they think people get an electric shot when they are hit? no (although this is sometimes true, and although the discharge is not enough to harm you, it is still very unpleasant)
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Do they think that you are using the sword to harm someone? That you are preparing /training in order to harm someone?

Is the relevant equipment the sword? The mask? Some other thing?
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Do they think that you are using the sword to harm someone? Yes That you are preparing /training in order to harm someone? Yesish

Is the relevant equipment the sword? This The mask? Some other thing?
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Does it have anything to do with the part of the opponents body you are targeting?

Is the scrund a belief about what you do during a fencing bout? Or what you do between bouts with your foil/eppee/saber?

Is the scrund a belief that even though the sword isn't sharp, you are trying to inflict pain during a bout?

Or, even though it's not sharp, you sometimes carry your sword in public? And people don't realise that it's not a real weapon?

This puzzle inspired me to learn a bit about fencing on the internet. In particular, there's a short documentary up on YouTube. I find it fascinating! There's also a good slow motion video. Wow - apparently you have only 100 to 200 ms to decide how to respond, and on top of that it involves thinking ahead a few moves, much like chess, but at a blindingly fast speed, which involves reading your opponent's behaviour. If I were younger I would think about getting into it, but pushing 50, I think I'm better off watching. All in all it seems like one of the fastest sports around. If I got something wrong in this description, let me know!
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Does it have anything to do with the part of the opponents body you are targeting? No

Is the scrund a belief about what you do during a fencing bout? Yesish Or what you do between bouts Noishwith your foil/eppeeThis, and relevant/saber?

Is the scrund a belief that even though the sword isn't sharp, you are trying to inflict pain during a bout? Noish

Or, even though it's not sharp, you sometimes carry your sword in public? And people don't realise that it's not a real weapon? Um, this is relevant rather laterally as you get these remarks mostly when carrying your épée in public

This puzzle inspired me to learn a bit about fencing on the internet. In particular, there's a short documentary up on YouTube. I find it fascinating! There's also a good slow motion video. Wow - apparently you have only 100 to 200 ms to decide how to respond, and on top of that it involves thinking ahead a few moves, much like chess, but at a blindingly fast speed, which involves reading your opponent's behaviour. If I were younger I would think about getting into it, but pushing 50, I think I'm better off watching. All in all it seems like one of the fastest sports around. If I got something wrong in this description, let me know!

No, in fact your understanding is very accurate.

Although it is true that it is a very quick and physically demanding sport, it is never too late to start practising it, assuming you don't pretend to win the Olympics. There are veteran contests where you qualify if you are 40+ so it's still worth trying ;-)) And it keeps you fresh for a very, very long time - I had a coach once who was active until a year or so before his death, and he lived up to 94 (sic!)

I could continue for hours ;-)) advocating fencing. Shame on me that I stopped practising some time ago because of family issues. But I hope that sometime in the future I will hop back on the wagon :-))
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Is the scrund to do with the sword's blade? its handle? the blade guard?
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Is the scrund to do with the sword's blade? This, except for that, technically, it's not a "sword" its handle? the blade guard?
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You mentioned that people thinking the blade is sharp isn't the answer, right?
Do they think the blade is rigid? Do they think that the blade is thicker than it is?

I've never done any fencing myself, but I have a few friends who do, so have messed around with their foils, epees and sabers, although I don't remember which was which. Based on this bit of 'experience', would I be likely to have the scrund? ie - would just handling the "sword" rid people of this scrund, or would they have to learn more about fencing?
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You mentioned that people thinking the blade is sharp isn't the answer, right? Yes, that's correct. To have this scrund you will probably assume that the blade is sharp, but it is not THE answer to the scrund.
Do they think the blade is rigid? Do they think that the blade is thicker than it is? irr

I've never done any fencing myself, but I have a few friends who do, so have messed around with their foils, epees and sabers, although I don't remember which was which. Based on this bit of 'experience', would I be likely to have the scrund?Yes, most likely ie - would just handling the "sword" rid people of this scrund No - actually ,people get the scrund from handling/seeing the weapon in question, or would they have to learn more about fencing? Definitely
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Does the scrund pertain to a specific fencing weapon? If so, epee? foil? saber? other?
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Does the scrund pertain to a specific fencing weapon? Yep If so, epee?This foil? saber? other?
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Is Google allowed so we can see what features an epee has?
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Relevant that an epee is a thrusting weapon, though it derives from a sword which is mainly a cutting weapon?
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Is Google allowed so we can see what features an epee has? Yes, definitely
Relevant that an epee is a thrusting weapon, though it derives from a sword which is mainly a cutting weapon? Umm... I'd say Yesish
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Hmm, is the groove in the blade relevant to the scrund?
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Hmm, is the groove in the blade relevant to the scrund? Bingo! Yes, it is, and if you can figure out how I will spoyle
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Do they think the groove was made by another sword striking it?
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Did they think the groove would make the blade pierce better? Would tear skin/rip more on the way in? Would serve as a channel for liquid? For blood?
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Do they think the groove was made by another sword striking it? No

Did they think the groove would make the blade pierce better? No Would tear skin/rip more on the way in? No Would serve as a channel for liquid? Yes!For blood? And yes! that's it, and here goes the


*********SPOILER***********

The blade of a modern fencing épée has a triangular cross-section with a groove running along its length whose technical name is "fuller" (thence the title of the puzzle). However, it is widely referred to as "blood groove" and many people think that it actually serves to channel the blood when you pierce through the adversary's body.

No need to say this is far from being true (for example, I have never injured, let alone killed, anyone during the 14 years of my fencing practice). The fuller really serves to make the blade lighter and, at the same time, stronger.

Thank you all for joining in the match, and special kudos go to Noel for scoring the final point!
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Interesting, and it makes sense. A lot of wooden baseball bats have a hollowed-out bit on the end that makes the bat easier to swing.

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