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Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sometimes, three of a kind it's better than a Royal Flush

Please explain
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I'll start with the obvious: Do "three of a kind" and "royal flush" refer to the poker hands?
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I'll start with the obvious: Do "three of a kind" and "royal flush" refer to the poker hands? No, a more lateral relation exists, however
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Of course...

Are the "three of a kind" 3 people? Objects? Places?
Does "royal flush" refer to royalty? A toilet?
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Are the "three of a kind" 3 people? This one. No to the rest Objects? Places?
Does "royal flush" refer to royalty? A toilet?
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Three people: with the same name? Of the same family? 3 clones?
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Three people: with the same name? Of the same family? 3 clones? None of these
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Do the three people have something in common at all?
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Does the "royal flush" refer to people, too? 5 people?

Are the "three of a kind" similar in terms of appearance? Opinion? Occupation? Interests? Location?
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Do the three people have something in common at all?
Yes

Does the "royal flush" refer to people, too? 5 people? Yes to all

Are the "three of a kind" similar in terms of appearance? Opinion? Occupation? This one Interests? Location? The rest are unknown and irrelevant
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Does the "royal flush" refer to 5 royals? necessarily including a king and a queen?

Can other poker hands sensibly be comparably represented by people e.g. a full house is 3 people of a kind + 2 people of another kind? and then compared with the 3-of-a-kind and royal-flush to establish a ranking of which are 'better' in the terms relevant to the puzzle?
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Does this have to do with your place of work?

Are these people (3 or 5), people who you would rather not deal with in the context of this puzzle?
And hence, dealing with 5 of these people would be worse than dealing with only 3?

Would a four-of-a-kind also be better than a royal flush?

Could you have referred to the "royal flush" as simply a "straight flush", with no difference to the puzzle?
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Does the "royal flush" refer to 5 royals? necessarily including a king and a queen? No, no royal figures involved

Can other poker hands sensibly be comparably represented by people e.g. a full house is 3 people of a kind + 2 people of another kind? and then compared with the 3-of-a-kind and royal-flush to establish a ranking of which are 'better' in the terms relevant to the puzzle? No, it is a story about 3 people having a conflict with other 5, the latter being usually considered more experienced for the relevant activity

Does this have to do with your place of work?
No
Are these people (3 or 5), people who you would rather not deal with in the context of this puzzle? No, although a Yope would be sometimes appropriate -- for both groups
And hence, dealing with 5 of these people would be worse than dealing with only 3? No

Would a four-of-a-kind also be better than a royal flush? Possibly

Could you have referred to the "royal flush" as simply a "straight flush", with no difference to the puzzle? Possibly, I chose royal flush however for the reason explained above
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Does this relate to a real-life occurrence?
Fictional?
Is this a joke?
If true: I know location isn't important, but was this story in the mass media?
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Does this relate to a real-life occurrence? Yes, or presumably so, according to media reports
Fictional?
Is this a joke? It's funny, but not a joke
If true: I know location isn't important, but was this story in the mass media? It was, in some countries
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Is it relevant that in a royal flush not all relevant cards are of the same kind? So the 5 people differ in some relevant property where the 3 people don't?
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Is it relevant that in a royal flush not all relevant cards are of the same kind? So the 5 people differ in some relevant property where the 3 people don't? Good idea, but I'd say no, for the purpose of this puzzle

HINT: Think of a conflict between a group of three against a group of five, the latter being experts in the relevant field
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Are the 3 students? Is the particular field relevant?
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Are the 3 students? NO! Is the particular field relevant? Yes, beware FA. Maybe "profession" is a better word
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[LTPF list of professional fields], please.

Sports relevant? Politics?
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[LTPF list of professional fields], please. I don't have such a list. For the 5 ones, it's a government - related job. For the other three - it's agriculture

Sports relevant? No Politics? Yope
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Are the three people farmers?
Do the five people work at the ministry of agriculture? at a town?
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(Oh and the list of professional fields can be found here)
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Are the three people farmers? Yes
Do the five people work at the ministry of agriculture? at a town? No to all
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are the 5 people judges? police? army?
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are the 5 people judges? police? army? No to all, strictly speaking. Police and army are somehow on the right track
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Are they security? Military police?
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Are they security? Yope Military police? No
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Do the 5 work as government enforcers of some kind? Officials? Are they trying to seize the farmers' assets? (crops, land?)
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Do the 5 work as government enforcers of some kind? Officials? Yessish Are they trying to seize the farmers' assets? (crops, land?) No to the rest, and a FA is lurking

Once the FA is cleared, we will be closer to the solution
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Are they Baliffs? Or from a Bank? Is something being repossessed?
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so the 3 farmers tried to take on the 5 officials and beat them at their own game? which was - the law? armed conflict? bureaucracy? argument? obstruction?
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Are they Baliffs? Or from a Bank? Is something being repossessed? No to all

so the 3 farmers tried to take on the 5 officials and beat them at their own game? Yesish which was - the law? armed conflict? This is closer, but DOYD of "armed conflict", might mislead bureaucracy? argument? obstruction?

The lurking FA still needs to be cleared

HINT: They didn't speak each other's language
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As a clarification for the hint above, what I meant was that the three were speaking one language, the other five another language
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are the five soldiers?
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are the five soldiers? Not exactly, but close enough. They were special forces, but in the intelligence gathering business
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Does this happen during war time?

Would the same situation have occured, had they spoken each other's language?
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Does this happen during war time? No

Would the same situation have occured, had they spoken each other's language? Possibly, but much less likely
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Relevant what country this happened in? If so, [LTPF list of countries], please. Also, [LTPF list of centuries and decades], please.

Were the five people trying to get information from the three people?
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Relevant what country this happened in? No, but it happened in Bulgaria, just to set the place. If so, [LTPF list of countries], please. Also, [LTPF list of centuries and decades], please. Last year

Were the five people trying to get information from the three people? No
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Did something happen in the agricultural land of one or more of the three farmers? Were the pack of five the foreigners? Were they staying at the 3īs farmland when this happened?
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Did something happen in the agricultural land of one or more of the three farmers? No Were the pack of five the foreigners? Yes Were they staying at the 3īs farmland when this happened? No
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did the farmers attack the soldiers?
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did the farmers attack the soldiers? Yes!
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Did the farmers misunderstand the soldiers' intentions?
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Did the farmers misunderstand the soldiers' intentions? Yes! With the small caveat that they were not soldiers, but special trained intelligence agents

We are getting really close...
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did the farmers think the agents had come to steal their produce?
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did the farmers think the agents had come to steal their produce? Yes

******* SPOILER *******

In October last year, 5 French secret agents arrived at the border between Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia, on the Bulgarian side, for a top secret mission, the nature of which is not officially known. Two of them were dropped from an airplane in a field near the Danube, while other three came with a civil airline and then joined their two colleagues on location, wih all the equipment that real secret agents use (including swimming jackets, laptops, parachutes, photo cameras, etc).

Unfortunately, three peasants mistook them for people trying to steal their crop, and despite the poor agents' desperate try to explain to them that they are highly trained agents in a top secret mission... the peasants gave them a physical lesson that for sure they won't forget it easily.

The agents were extradited to France 2 days later, three with various wounds, two unharmed (the latter were, it seems, better at running).

One account of the story can be found here:

http://www.leparisien.fr/international/cinq-agents-de-la-dgse-attaques-par-des-villageois-en-bulgarie-01-11-2012-2284293.php

Thanks to all who participated and to Shez for the final solve.



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nice puzzle!

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