| Author | Message | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2189 Registered: 9-2009 |
In a remote city, I encountered a situation that can be described as "bad" for a number of reasons. However, in the end, I was lucky No animals, humans or aliens have been hurt in the process :- ) | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1650 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the situation concern also other people? Could you have encountered the similar situation in the rural area? Did you know from the beginning that you were lucky? Is the reason of your presence in the remote city relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2190 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the situation concern also other people? Yope to Yessish Could you have encountered the similar situation in the rural area? Yes Did you know from the beginning that you were lucky? No, on the contrary... Is the reason of your presence in the remote city relevant? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1653 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is it relevant how did you get to the remote city? Were you in real danger in this situation? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2191 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it relevant how did you get to the remote city? No Were you in real danger in this situation? DOYD of "real danger". I might have been, but not in the sense that I might get killed | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 308 Registered: 5-2012 |
"Remote," I assume, means remote from where you live? would I also consider it remote? would, say, Peter? somewhere like Timbuktu? somewhere exotic, where few Americans/Europeans have been? Did you speak the language there? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2194 Registered: 9-2009 |
"Remote," I assume, means remote from where you live? Yes would I also consider it remote? Yes, I presume would, say, Peter? Yes, I think somewhere like Timbuktu? Not this remote somewhere exotic, where few Americans/Europeans have been? No Did you speak the language there? Yes. To save you the trouble, forget the "remote" part, it was just to set the actual story in the place where it happened. It was in Rome. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17917 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is theft involved? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 1097 Registered: 8-2011 |
Lucky because: -you gained something good? -you lost something not so good? -something not so good changed for the better? -you avoided greater danger or misfortune? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2195 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is theft involved? Lucky because: -you gained something good? -you lost something not so good? -something not so good changed for the better? -you avoided greater danger or misfortune? This. No to the rest | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 311 Registered: 5-2012 |
So it's a case of "the good news is that the bad news wasn't as bad as it might have been," yes? Did you lose something, but regained it? or at least part of it? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2197 Registered: 9-2009 |
So it's a case of "the good news is that the bad news wasn't as bad as it might have been," yes? In a sense, yes Did you lose something, but regained it? Yesish, I lost it temporarily or at least part of it? No, I regained it in its integrity | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 314 Registered: 5-2012 |
What you lost, was it an actual, material 'something?' If so, was it about the size of your wallet? about the size of a laptop? a desktop? a car? bigger than that? very, very small (about the size of a needle or smaller)? Or was it something non-concrete? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 83 Registered: 9-2012 |
Was what you lost passport? map? Travelling relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2201 Registered: 9-2009 |
What you lost, was it an actual, material 'something?' Yes If so, was it about the size of your wallet? about the size of a laptop? It was a laptop a desktop? a car? bigger than that? very, very small (about the size of a needle or smaller)? Or was it something non-concrete? Was what you lost passport? map? Travelling relevant? Yope, might mislead The rest are a no | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1654 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did you lose it willingly? Was it taken from you legally? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2204 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you lose it willingly? Was it taken from you legally? No to both, and a FA. This and the "bad" thing is worth exploring HINT: Think simpler. No "public forces" were involved | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1660 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did you really lose your laptop? Were you wrongly convinced about having lost your laptop? Did anyone else take your laptop in his/her possession? | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 316 Registered: 5-2012 |
Losing your laptop was NOT a bad thing?!?? Did you just leave it behind somewhere? Or locked it up somewhere (say in a car) and couldn't get to it? (That happened to my son, and I may make a puzzle of it someday.) | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 85 Registered: 9-2012 |
You dropped it into the water? It was not taken by someone else right? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2206 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you really lose your laptop? Were you wrongly convinced about having lost your laptop? Did anyone else take your laptop in his/her possession? See below Losing your laptop was NOT a bad thing?!?? It was, however it could have been worse Did you just leave it behind somewhere? YES! Or locked it up somewhere (say in a car) and couldn't get to it? (That happened to my son, and I may make a puzzle of it someday.) That would be interesting : - ) You dropped it into the water? No, see above It was not taken by someone else right? No Remaining: what was the situation, and how "bad" turned into "good" | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 322 Registered: 5-2012 |
If not in a car, taxi, or public transportation, did you leave it in your hotel room? a bathroom? an eating place of some kind? other place? Maybe even a park bench? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2211 Registered: 9-2009 |
If not in a car, taxi, or public transportation, did you leave it in your hotel room? a bathroom? an eating place of some kind? other place? This one. I left it in a company. But how this relates to the puzzle statement? Maybe even a park bench? | ||
| Rogerchang (Rogerchang)
New member Username: Rogerchang Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2012 |
Did something romantic happen? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2217 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did something romantic happen? No, nothing of this kind | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 326 Registered: 5-2012 |
Was it returned to you by your own actions? by someone else's actions? (a Good Samaritan?) just by happenstance? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3563 Registered: 2-2011 |
were you lucky because you got it back? or because being without it caused you some good fortune? or going to look for it? or doing without it? finding an alternative? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2220 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it returned to you by your own actions? Yes by someone else's actions? (a Good Samaritan?) just by happenstance? No the rest were you lucky because you got it back? Yes or because being without it caused you some good fortune? No or going to look for it? or doing without it? finding an alternative? | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 344 Registered: 5-2012 |
Did anything happen to your computer while it was not in your possession, other than just being lost? e.g. it got wet? dirty? somebody used it? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2236 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did anything happen to your computer while it was not in your possession, other than just being lost? e.g. it got wet? dirty? somebody used it? No to all. | ||
| Grainbeer (Grainbeer)
New member Username: Grainbeer Post Number: 357 Registered: 4-2002 |
Did something happen to you during the time you had left the laptop behind which would have affected your computer if you had had it? For instance robbery? Bag snatching? Fall accident which might have damaged your computer? Fire in your hotel room or elsewhere where you might have put your laptop? Lost some items in river Tevere? Your paraphernalia run over by a car? Something happened to your travel bags when flying from Rome to someplace else? Damage to your luggage? Missing luggage? Possible theft by ground handling personnel at the airport service? Did you bring your computer bag with you when you forgot the laptop, or did you leave that one behind too? Any importance of a computer bag? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2261 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did something happen to you during the time you had left the laptop behind which would have affected your computer if you had had it? For instance robbery? Bag snatching? Fall accident which might have damaged your computer? Very OTRT for robbery, but might mislead. Something happened, however -- between "losing" the laptop and recovering it Fire in your hotel room or elsewhere where you might have put your laptop? Lost some items in river Tevere? Your paraphernalia run over by a car? Nothing of the kind, as stated above I forgot it in a company Something happened to your travel bags when flying from Rome to someplace else? Damage to your luggage? Missing luggage? Possible theft by ground handling personnel at the airport service? No, it happened in the city. HINT: I was due to leave Rome the next morning Did you bring your computer bag with you when you forgot the laptop, or did you leave that one behind too? I left it, in its bag, on a chair Any importance of a computer bag? No | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 444 Registered: 2-2012 |
Did you like Rome? And did it take an extra day to recover the laptop? And so you were able to stay another day? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2267 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you like Rome? Yes, but irrel.And did it take an extra day to recover the laptop? No! And so you were able to stay another day? I wasn't able, good q! Beware FA - I didn't want to stay more and anyway it was rather impossible. My feelings for the city are all irrel. } | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3150 Registered: 12-2010 |
Relevant how you left Rome? By plane? Were you going home? Someplace else? Did you take the intended means of transportation at the intended time? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1663 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did you need data from your laptop to travel home? If you hadn't left your laptop behind, would it have been destroyed? Taken from you by someone? Would data have been lost? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2272 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant how you left Rome? A little bit By plane? Yes Were you going home? Someplace else? Irrel., assume home Did you take the intended means of transportation at the intended time? Yes Did you need data from your laptop to travel home? Not to travel, but I needed it at the destination If you hadn't left your laptop behind, would it have been destroyed? No Taken from you by someone? No Would data have been lost? No, just much harder to retrieve, and not in time | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1666 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did you leave behind something else important in your laptop bag (besides the laptop)? Was it possible for you to leave Rome without the laptop? Were other people involved in that something that happened between losing and recovering the laptop? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3174 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it your personal laptop? Professional laptop? Relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2275 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you leave behind something else important in your laptop bag (besides the laptop)? No Was it possible for you to leave Rome without the laptop? Technically, yes, but it would have been bad upon arriving at home Were other people involved in that something that happened between losing and recovering the laptop? YES! Was it your personal laptop? Professional laptop? Relevant? Assume professional. Somewhat relevant | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3175 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is there one more relevant person? two people? less than 5? less than 10? more than that? H/A/M? F? mixed? Did you know them? Are they co-workers? Did you travel to/from Rome alone? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2277 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is there one more relevant person? This one, H/A/M. No to the rest two people? less than 5? less than 10? more than that? H/A/M? F? mixed? Did you know them? Are they co-workers? Did you travel to/from Rome alone? No, but irrel | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2278 Registered: 9-2009 |
A little RECAP "In a remote city, I encountered a situation that can be described as "bad" for a number of reasons. However, in the end, I was lucky" The situation happened while visiting Rome. While there, I forgot my laptop in a company, and I was due to leave first thing next morning. I also needed the laptop as soon as arriving home, for a professional reason, the nature of which is irrelevant. If something 'bad' (and funny, in the end) wouldn't have happened, I probably wouldn't have be able to recover it in due time, and I would have had to go without it. It was not in danger of being lost or damaged, but by the time I would have received it, it would have been too late for the task I was supposed to do upon arriving Another person (H/A/M) was involved between 'losing' my laptop and retrieving it. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1676 Registered: 1-2011 |
Wild shot in the dark: Did something bad happen to the company's affairs and caused someone to urgently come to the company's building, and that person accidentaly found your laptop and brought it back to you? Were you aware that you left your laptop behind? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2281 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did something bad happen to the company's affairs and caused someone to urgently come to the company's building, and that person accidentaly found your laptop and brought it back to you? No, but good thinking Were you aware that you left your laptop behind? Initially, no, good q! | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1683 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the bad thing make you aware that you left your laptop behind? And therefore you could retrieve it on time? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2283 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the bad thing make you aware that you left your laptop behind? And therefore you could retrieve it on time? Yes to both | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4917 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you mugged? Did you lose something else? Did you have a laptop bag? If so, were you carrying the empty bag? Or did you leave both the bag and laptop behind? If so, did you have anything else important in the bag? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2285 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you mugged? No, but somehow OTRT Did you lose something else? Did you have a laptop bag? If so, were you carrying the empty bag? Or did you leave both the bag and laptop behind? This one If so, did you have anything else important in the bag? All unanswered are a no | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1690 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did you need your laptop to manage with what had happened? Did you need to go back to the company? Did you need to contact someone? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2287 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you need your laptop to manage with what had happened? Did you need to go back to the company? Did you need to contact someone? No to all. I needed it at home, not in Rome | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3692 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the car you were using get stolen? and the laptop would have been in it? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2289 Registered: 9-2009 |
was the car you were using get stolen? and the laptop would have been in it? No to both, no cars involved | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3708 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the place you were staying burgled? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1701 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was someone else robbed and you saw it? In the "bad" situation, were you asked to give money? To show documents? Were you taken for someone else? Did someone not recognize you? Did it involve authorities? Did it happen indoors? Did it happen while driving a car? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3710 Registered: 2-2011 |
was there a flood? an earthquake? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2292 Registered: 9-2009 |
was the place you were staying burgled? No Was someone else robbed and you saw it? No In the "bad" situation, were you asked to give money? This one! To show documents? No Were you taken for someone else? No Did someone not recognize you? No Did it involve authorities? No Did it happen indoors? NoDid it happen while driving a car? No, I was walking was there a flood? an earthquake? No to both | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4975 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you threatened? Approached by a beggar? Did you want to give money? Were you able to give money? Was the situation bad for: you? the person asking for money? Both? Someone else? Was more than one person asking for money? Were you asked to give money in exchange for something? Or to be nice? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1711 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is asker's reaction to your response relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2295 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you threatened? Only verbally Approached by a beggar? Yes, it was a drunkard Did you want to give money? No Were you able to give money? Yes Was the situation bad for: you? It could have been,unpleasant anyway the person asking for money? No Both? Someone else? My wife was with me, so it might have been bad for her also. Irr. anyway Was more than one person asking for money? No Were you asked to give money in exchange for something? No Or to be nice? I don't understand this, please rephrase Is asker's reaction to your response relevant? No, he went away grumbling. Something about him is however relevant to the puzzle, in a funny way | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1715 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did something in the beggar's appearance remind you about your laptop? In his behaviour? In what he said asking you for money? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2296 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did something in the beggar's appearance remind you about your laptop? Yesish, very much OTRT. Finding out what caught my attention is the last piece of this puzzle In his behaviour? In what he said asking you for money? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1721 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the beggar carry a laptop bag? Did he have a shirt with a text "mind your belongings"? Did he wear something with a logo of any hardware of software company? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3249 Registered: 12-2010 |
Random shot in the dark: Was the beggar eating/carrying an apple? And you have an Apple laptop? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2297 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the beggar carry a laptop bag? No, but...!!Did he have a shirt with a text "mind your belongings"? Did he wear something with a logo of any hardware of software company? Random shot in the dark: Was the beggar eating/carrying an apple? And you have an Apple laptop? No to the rest, but in the right forest. Think simpler. No symbols were involved. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3265 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he carry a laptop? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5002 Registered: 9-2009 |
Or a cellphone? Something else worth a lot of money? Something that reminded you of the laptop? Something that can be connected to a laptop? Something useful to the beggar? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2301 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he carry a laptop? Indeed he did! ******* SPOILER ******* While going home after a meeting in a small company, I left my laptop there. On my way to the bus station, together with my wife, I was (verbally) assaulted by a drunkard in the street, who demanded money "to buy another beer". I managed to get on, but upon arriving at the bus station, I suddenly realized something. My wife asked me what it is all about, and I couldn't nail it.. But something in this guy reminded me of something. And then I realized. He was carrying a laptop! I instructed my wife to stay there, I ran back to the company (almost pushing to the ground the "bad guy" in my feat), and proudly came back with my laptop. I thanked the guy (who by the time didn't know what to believe) and I bought him a beer -- so all ended well. If he didn't have a laptop with him, I would have probably realised my 'loss' the next morning, when it would have been way too late. Thanks to all who participated and to Doriana for the final solve. And yes, I enjoyed a beer myself, after the event. : - ) |
