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Doriana (Doriana)
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Mr D is a middle school teacher. Whenever someone gets a C on one of his tests, he tries to add some extra credit so that it would be a B. How come?
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C, B are grades? Is this the U.S. grade system described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_(education)#United_States ?
(link needs to be copy-pasted.
Exact percentage point splits of grade letters relevant?
Test = graded written form of evaluation?
Someone = any student in his class? Someone in particular?
Where I come from, grade inflation often happens because teachers are evaluated on the basis of what grades their students get in their classes *sigh*. Couldn't be this simple could it?

Does Mr D also try to adjust other grades?
Is the subject he teaches relevant?
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I was thinking grade inflation too. But just in case, I'll ask a few more questions:

Does he do this for anyone who gets a C? Does he do this for people who get lower than a C? Higher?
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C, B are grades? yes Is this the U.S. grade system described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_(education)#United_States ? yesish
(link needs to be copy-pasted.
Exact percentage point splits of grade letters relevant? no
Test = graded written form of evaluation? yes
Someone = any student in his class? this Someone in particular?
Where I come from, grade inflation often happens because teachers are evaluated on the basis of what grades their students get in their classes *sigh*. Couldn't be this simple could it? Unfortunately, no...

Does Mr D also try to adjust other grades? no
Is the subject he teaches relevant? Not really. It's maths.

Does he do this for anyone who gets a C? yes Does he do this for people who get lower than a C? Higher? no to rest
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Relevant that C is a "middle" grade, denoting "average" performance?
Is there an "informal" grading policy at Mr D's school that the grades within a class should follow a normal distribution, with the peak in grade C?
Was D told to adjust his grades? because in his class the peak is in grade B or A?
Was D trying to prove that's not he is giving too good grades but the grades in his class simply do not have a normal distribution? Did he want to achieve that B is equally common as D, but C almost never occurs? just to show how stupid it is to assume that school performance is normally distributed?
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Does he do this in order to help the student? To benefit himself? Make life easier for himself in some way?

Is there a relevant difference between getting a C and a B, more so than at other grade boundaries? For example, do students who get a B get some privilege that lower graded students don't? Do students who get below a B have to retake the exam? Do they fail?
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Relevant that C is a "middle" grade, denoting "average" performance?
Is there an "informal" grading policy at Mr D's school that the grades within a class should follow a normal distribution, with the peak in grade C?
Was D told to adjust his grades? because in his class the peak is in grade B or A?
Was D trying to prove that's not he is giving too good grades but the grades in his class simply do not have a normal distribution? Did he want to achieve that B is equally common as D, but C almost never occurs? just to show how stupid it is to assume that school performance is normally distributed? no to all

Does he do this in order to help the student? no To benefit himself? {yope} Make life easier for himself in some way? yes

Is there a relevant difference between getting a C and a B, more so than at other grade boundaries? no For example, do students who get a B get some privilege that lower graded students don't? Do students who get below a B have to retake the exam? Do they fail? no to all

I should add that this puzzle is not very serious and that D's reasoning is a bit weird.
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Is there something about giving a C specifically that is difficult for him? If a student was right at the lower end of the C bracket, might he find reason to demote them to a D for the same reason? (Assuming that he could find sufficient reason to do so that he wouldn't get in trouble).

Is it relevant how exactly he gives the grade? Eg is it something like he has a stamp for each grade, but his C stamp is out of ink?
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Is there something about giving a C specifically that is difficult for him? yesish If a student was right at the lower end of the C bracket, might he find reason to demote them to a D for the same reason? no, good q(Assuming that he could find sufficient reason to do so that he wouldn't get in trouble).

Is it relevant how exactly he gives the grade? very! Eg is it something like he has a stamp for each grade, but his C stamp is out of ink? good idea, but it's not that
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Does he write the grade on the test paper? Tell it to them orally? Enter it onto a computer?

Does he have any kind of difficulty writing? Speaking? Is how the students would react to a particular grade relevant?
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Does he write the grade on the test paper? this Tell it to them orally? Enter it onto a computer? no to rest

Does he have any kind of difficulty writing? noish Speaking? Is how the students would react to a particular grade relevant? no to rest
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Would writing "C" for some reason be more difficult for him than writing "B"? More time consuming? Cause some kind of problem? Does he like writing "B"? If instead of letter grades pupils were marked 1,2,3 etc (with 1 being an A), would he for the same reason want to upgrade people from a 3 to a 2?
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Is he afraid the students can change the grade more easily, e.g. make the C into an A?

Is he actually doing a favour to the student in marking them slightly higher? Does he think so? Do the students think so? All of them?
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Would writing "C" for some reason be more difficult for him than writing "B"? FA More time consuming? yes Cause some kind of problem? no Does he like writing "B"? no, FA If instead of letter grades pupils were marked 1,2,3 etc (with 1 being an A), would he for the same reason want to upgrade people from a 3 to a 2? same FA

Is he afraid the students can change the grade more easily, e.g. make the C into an A? no

Is he actually doing a favour to the student in marking them slightly higher? probably, but irrelevant Does he think so? probably, but irrelevant Do the students think so? probably, but irrelevant All of them? probably, but irrelevant
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If he gives a C student enough extra credit to make it a B, does he actually give them a B? Or does he still write C on their paper?

Does he ever give a C? If so, does he write the letter "C" on the test paper? If a student receives a B, does he write "B" on their paper? Does someone else do the writing?
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Does he verbally tell him their grades? Does he have a speech impediment that makes it harder to or prevents him from saying C? A lisp?
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If he gives a C student enough extra credit to make it a B, does he actually give them a B? yes Or does he still write C on their paper? no

Does he ever give a C? yes If so, does he write the letter "C" on the test paper? no If a student receives a B, does he write "B" on their paper? no Does someone else do the writing? {no}
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Does he write anything on the paper? Something that represents the grade?
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I think you missed my questions
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Does he verbally tell him their grades? Does he have a speech impediment that makes it harder to or prevents him from saying C? A lisp? no to all

Does he write anything on the paper? yes Something that represents the grade? yes

I think you missed my questions Apologies! See above
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Is what he writes a letter? A number? A word? Multiple words? A sentence? Does he draw a picture?

Is the thing he writes to represent "C" more time consuming than that which represents "B"?
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Is what he writes a letter? A number? A word? this Multiple words? A sentence? Does he draw a picture?

Is the thing he writes to represent "C" more time consuming than that which represents "B"? yes!

The exact words are not relevant, but can you think of two words representing the grades B and C, with the C word being much longer?
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"Good" and "average"?
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"Good" and "average"? For example, yes. I guess I can declare the

********SPOILER********
Mr D is my former maths teacher and a pretty lazy guy.
At my school, my teachers had to write the grade as words, "gut" (good) for B and "befriedigend" (satisfactory) for C. Being the lazy guy that he is, Mr D wanted to avoid spelling out "befriedigend" at all costs. He would even give extra credit so that a student would get a "gut" instead of a "befriedigend".


Nice work, Enjay and Balin! Aaaand there's another puzzle just around the corner.
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I don't blame him for not wanting to write out "befriedigend."
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And what is "unsatisfactory?"
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Solo1, it's "ungenügend".

Balin, me neither. I actually have a bit of a problem with words that contain both d and g, and I bet I'd make a lot of mistakes.
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I guess I'd just think of the first bit as "I like my potatoes to be fried" or something like that, and come up with another mnemonic for "igend."
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Doriana, I dig diligently doing edgy puzzles, but dodge judging gadgets.
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Aaaaah! It'd probably take me several minutes to write or type that.

And I'm glad my parents named me Lena, not Magdalena. It'd suck to constantly misspell your own name.
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A closer pronunciation would be "The slaves should be freed of their shackles." As for igend... i = ee in freed, and there is no English word I can come up with that has a hard g (as in Griffon)... and ends with "end."

It's ok. The Germans have trouble coming up with equivalent analogies for TH words.
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@Dlcygnet

Lagend (n): "goods (or wreckage) on the sea bed that is attached to a buoy so that it can be recovered" (variant of Lagan).

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