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Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2012 - 4:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If he had been quieter he would have lived
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He: HAM? Living before the relevant events? And dead after them?

Did he intentionally produce any noise? Accidentally? Did he blab some secret? Something like the omerta relevant?
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e: HAM? Yes Living before the relevant events? And dead after them? Yes

Did he intentionally produce any noise? No Accidentally? Yesish Did he blab some secret? No Something like the omerta relevant? No
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was he hiding?

did he sneeze? cough? hiccough? laugh?

is this a wartime situation?
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was he hiding? No

did he sneeze? cough? hiccough? laugh? NNNNo

is this a wartime situation? No
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Did he make a noise using: his voice? Mouth? Butt? Other body part? An object involved? Did he push anything over? Trigger some sort of alarm? Did he die from: suffocation? Drowning? Poison? Weapon? Falling? Crushing? Impact? Heat? Cold? Radiation? Explosion? Decapitation? Bleeding? Decompression? Infection? Organ failure?
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Did he make a noise using: his voice? Yope Mouth? Yes Butt? No Other body part? No An object involved? No Did he push anything over? No Trigger some sort of alarm? No Did he die from: suffocation? Drowning? Poison? Weapon? Yes Falling? Crushing? Impact? Heat? Cold? Radiation? Explosion? Decapitation? Bleeding? Decompression? Infection? Organ failure? No to the others
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was he eating noisily?
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was he eating noisily? No
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did he cry? scream? belch?
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Was the killing intentional? Accidental? Did he know he was in danger? Did he know he should've been quieter? Did he commit a crime? Did someone else commit a crime? Weapon: firearm? Bow? Blade? Club? Relevant? Did he wheeze? Whisper? Was he killed by another person? By an automated system? A trap? Persons relevant: only himself? Himself and the killer? More? Was someone looking for him? Was anyone else killed?
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Was the killing intentional? Yes Accidental? so no Did he know he was in danger? No Did he know he should've been quieter? No Did he commit a crime? No Did someone else commit a crime? Yes,the killer Weapon: firearm? Yes, so no to others Bow? Blade? Club? Relevant? Yes Did he wheeze? No Whisper? No Was he killed by another person? Yes By an automated system? No A trap? No Persons relevant: only himself? No Himself and the killer?Yes More? No Was someone looking for him? No Was anyone else killed? No
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So the killer intentionally killed him but earlier the killer was not looking for him?
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So the killer intentionally killed him but earlier the killer was not looking for him? Yes, true statement
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Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 6:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Galfisk, I apologize, This is a true story so i researched, contrary to what used to be said of the situation, they now report the killing as accidental.
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Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 6:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rogerchang (Rogerchang), see the note above to Galfisk
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Relevant where he was at the time? Where the killer was? Was the killer looking to kill anything? Anyone? Did he hear a noise and fire at it? Is the killer a hunter? Did he intend for the weapon to fire? Did he see the victim? Did he mistake the victim for: something else? Someone else? Type of firearm relevant?
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Relevant where he was at the time? Yes Where the killer was? Yes Was the killer looking to kill anything? No Anyone? No Did he hear a noise and fire at it? Yes Is the killer a hunter? No Did he intend for the weapon to fire? Yes Did he see the victim? No Did he mistake the victim for: something else? No Someone else? No Type of firearm relevant? Yes
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Firearm: pistol? Revolver? Rifle? Submachinegun? Machinegun? Minigun? Cannon?
Was he: at home? At someone else's home? In a building? Outside? In a city? In the woods? In a field? At a gun range? Was the shooter doing target practice? Was the shooter afraid? Angry? Was it dark? Did the bullet pass through anything before he was hit? Relevant? Was more than one shot fired? Relevant?
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Firearm: pistol? Yes Revolver? Yes Rifle? Submachinegun? Machinegun? Minigun? Cannon?
Was he: at home? At someone else's home? In a building? Yes Outside? In a city? Yes In the woods? In a field? At a gun range? Was the shooter doing target practice? Was the shooter afraid? Angry? Yes Was it dark? Yes Did the bullet pass through anything before he was hit? Yes Relevant? Yes Was more than one shot fired? Yes Relevant? Yes
no to all else, good questions
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Any other people present? Is the building familiar to: the shooter? The victim? Is the profession of the shooter relevant? The victim? Did the victim make the shooter angry? If so, did he anger him by making the sound?
Did the shots pass through: a wall? A vehicle? A target? The thing the man intended to hit? Were more shots fired because of: bad aim? Anger? Were all bullets in the gun fired? Are there more relevant things we should know about the gun, except that it is a revolver?
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Any other people present? Irr Is the building familiar to: the shooter? Irr The victim? Irr Is the profession of the shooter relevant? Yesish The victim? NoDid the victim make the shooter angry? Yes
If so, did he anger him by making the sound? YES
Did the shots pass through: a wall? Yes A vehicle? No A target? No The thing the man intended to hit? {Yes Were more shots fired because of: bad aim? Anger? Were all bullets in the gun fired? Are there more relevant things we should know about the gun, except that it is a revolver? No to all else
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was the shooter doing target practice? playing some other sport?

did the noise distract him? for example so that he missed the target?
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Did the man intend to shoot the wall? To shoot anything else? To shoot whatever made the noise? Did the victim do anything relevant except making the noise? Do we need to know more about: how the noise was made? Why the noise was made? Did the victim intend to annoy the shooter? Did the victim know the shooter was there? Did he know the shooter was armed? Did he know the shooter would be angry? Did he want the shooter to get angry? Was the shooter looking for silence? Absolute silence? Was he trying to avoid something except noise?
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Posted on Friday, January 04, 2013 - 4:37 pm:

was the shooter doing target practice? No playing some other sport? No

did the noise distract him? Yes for example so that he missed the target? No

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Did the man intend to shoot the wall? Yes To shoot anything else? No To shoot whatever made the noise? No Did the victim do anything relevant except making the noise? No Do we need to know more about: how the noise was made? Yes Why the noise was made? No Did the victim intend to annoy the shooter? No Did the victim know the shooter was there? No Did he know the shooter was armed? so No Did he know the shooter would be angry? No Did he want the shooter to get angry? No Was the shooter looking for silence? Yes Absolute silence? Yes Was he trying to avoid something except noise? No
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Relevant why he was looking for absolute silence? Relevant why he was armed? Relevant why he got so angry that he shot at the wall? Was he sick? Mentally ill? Did the victim: whistle? Eat something noisily? Drink something noisily? Chew gum? Use any object? Chatter his teeth? Grind his teeth? Relevant why he was making a noise? Relevant how long the noise lasted? Was the victim there looking for silence as well?
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Relevant why he was looking for absolute silence? Yes Relevant why he was armed? Yesish Relevant why he got so angry that he shot at the wall? Yes Was he sick? No Mentally ill? No Did the victim: whistle? No Eat something noisily? No Drink something noisily? NoChew gum? NoUse any object? No Chatter his teeth? no Grind his teeth? No Relevant why he was making a noise? Yes Relevant how long the noise lasted? Yes,generally, don't need to pin the time down Was the victim there looking for silence as well? No
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Does the killer have any relevant equipment besides the gun? Did he intend to fire the gun, when he brought it with him? Does he need the silence in order to: do an experiment? Relax? Meditate? Think? Concentrate? Make a recording? Calibrate something? Did he choose the place for any reason other than silence? Was the noise simply from breathing? Breathing while having a cold? Did the victim have any relevant medical condition? Did the victim think he was alone? Did the noise last for: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Did the killer have difficulty locating the noise? Was it barely audible to him? Or clearly audible? Did it annoy him immediately? Or did he get more and more angry over a period of time? Was the noise constant? Intermittent? Relevant? Is it a noise most people make? Is it a noise almost no people make? Did the killer understand that the noise was made by a person? Relevant? Do we need to know more about the building? Was it built in order to be quiet?
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Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2013 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the victim moan or groan? sigh? sing? cry?
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Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2013 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the killer have any relevant equipment besides the gun? No Did he intend to fire the gun, when he brought it with him? Who knows the mind of a of a killer Does he need the silence in order to: do an experiment? No Relax? Yesish Meditate? No Think? No Concentrate? No Make a recording? No Calibrate something? No Did he choose the place for any reason other than silence? Yes Was the noise simply from breathing? Yesish Breathing while having a cold? NO Did the victim have any relevant medical condition? Unk Did the victim think he was alone? Irr Did the noise last for: seconds? Minutes? Possibly Hours? possibly Did the killer have difficulty locating the noise? No Was it barely audible to him? Or clearly audible? Yes Did it annoy him immediately? Yes Or did he get more and more angry over a period of time? Yes Was the noise constant? Probably Intermittent? Maybe Relevant? Is it a noise most people make? No Is it a noise almost no people make? Yes Did the killer understand that the noise was made by a person? Yes Relevant? Yes Do we need to know more about the building? Yes Was it built in order to be quiet? Yes
My goodness, Paul didn't write as long epistles, good questions
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did the victim moan or groan? sigh? sing? cry? No no no no no
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did the victim wheeze? snore?
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did the victim wheeze? No snore? Yes
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Did the killer try to wake up the victim? Did he fire at the wall in order to wake him up? Did he try any other method of waking him up before? Was the killer trying to sleep? And was kept awake by the snoring? Was it a hotel? Or similar?
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Did the killer try to wake up the victim? Did he fire at the wall in order to wake him up? Did he try any other method of waking him up before? Was the killer trying to sleep? And was kept awake by the snoring? Was it a hotel? Or similar?
****************************************SPOILER***************************************
Bang, Bang, Shot me down. John Wesley Hardin, named after the famous reformation leader, wouldn't you know, was a notorious gunman and killer in the old west, USA. While trying to sleep in an hotel room, a man in the room adjacent to his was snoring so profusely that Hardin could not sleep. In an effort to make sufficient noise to wake the snorer, Hardin fired his revolver at the wall. He did not know how thin the walls were and a bullet penetrated the wall and killed the snorer; which interestingly enough allowed Hardin to sleep. Well done Galfisk etal, Now let's finish off Optometrist so I can post anew, Thanks, Dave
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My husband snores - he's not loud, so it doesn't bother me much, but he is versatile. He can snore in any position, including standing up. I'll have to remind him of this incident.

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