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Nimue (Nimue)
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Some feminists like to say that professions change --for the better, of course -- as more women enter them. Women are supposed to be more humane and less aggressive, although I have never noticed any overall gender differences along these lines. But there's one profession that has incontrovertibly changed as it has gone from being entirely male to largely female. What is it and how come?
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The profession - linked to education? the military? retail? law enforcement? arts? music? animals? healthcare? research? transport? clothing? food?

some say that a profession loses status when it becomes increasingly female (as in the case of medicine in the UK) - is that relevant here?

the relevant change - to do with working hours? childcare? pay? length of employment? physical equipment needed for the job? related to the smaller mean size of women? related to the smaller mean strength of women? related to clothing?
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Could the profession be described as...

Artistic / musical / writer
Banking / financial / real estate
Clerical / Administrative
Computer related / Hardware
Construction / Craftsman
Criminal / Questionable Repute
Education / Academic Research
Entertainment / Media
Environmental / Outdoors / Nature
Executive / Management
Hospitality / Travel
Legal Services
Manufacturing / Distributions
Medical / Health Services
Politics / Government / Military
Sales / Marketing
Technical / Science / Engineering
Teaching / Child care
Transportation
Food Service
Other?

Has it changed for the better? for the worse?

Is it a common profession?
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The profession - linked to education? nothe military? no retail? no law enforcement? no arts? see next answer music? yes animals? no healthcare? no research? notransport? noclothing? no food? no

some say that a profession loses status when it becomes increasingly female (as in the case of medicine in the UK) - is that relevant here? no

the relevant change - to do with working hours? no childcare? nopay? no length of employment? no physical equipment needed for the job? no related to the smaller mean size of women? norelated to the smaller mean strength of women? no related to clothing? no
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Could the profession be described as...

Artistic / musical yes / writer
Banking / financial / real estate
Clerical yes, in one sense of 'clerical / Administrative
Computer related / Hardware
Construction / Craftsman
Criminal / Questionable Repute
Education / Academic Research
Entertainment / Media
Environmental / Outdoors / Nature
Executive / Management
Hospitality / Travel
Legal Services
Manufacturing / Distributions
Medical / Health Services
Politics / Government / Military
Sales / Marketing
Technical / Science / Engineering
Teaching / Child care
Transportation
Food Service
Other? yes

Has it changed for the better?That's a matter of opinion, but many people would say neither for the worse? ditto

Is it a common profession? no
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"clerical" in the sense of church-related?

Organist? Some other kind of church musician?
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"clerical" in the sense of church-related? yope

Organist? no Some other kind of church musician? yope
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Convents/nunneries relevant? Choirs relevant?
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Convents/nunneries relevant? no Choirs relevant? no
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Does the profession involve playing music? Teaching it? Singing? Recording? The technical side of music production?

Is religion relevant? Would the women in this profession all be of a particular religion?

Are women's voices relevant? Language relevant?
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Does the profession involve playing music? {no}Teaching it? noSinging? yes Recording? possibly The technical side of music production? no

Is religion relevant? yes Would the women in this profession all be of a particular religion? yes

Are women's voices relevant? yes Language relevant? yope
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Would the women all be Christian? Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist? Hinduist?

Christian Rock relevant?
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Is it being some kind of religious leader? One who sings? Gospel music relevant? Someone who performs to a congregation?

Are religions' views on women relevant? Has the relevant religion moved away from preaching the superiority of men because women are now involved in it?
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Would the women all be Christian? Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist? Hinduist?Jewish

Christian Rock relevant? no
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Is it being some kind of religious leader? yesOne who sings? yesGospel music relevant? noSomeone who performs to a congregation? yes

Are religions' views on women relevant? only because they changed to enable women to have this functionHas the relevant religion moved away from preaching the superiority of men because women are now involved in it? irrel
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Is it a rabbi? Other leader? Someone who focuses specifically on the music?
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Is it a reverend or a minister? Do we need to determine the church involved?
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cantor?
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Is it a rabbi? noOther leader? yes Someone who focuses specifically on the music? yes-- see below
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Is it a reverend or a minister? no Do we need to determine the church involved? n/a
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cantor? yes

************ SPOILER **************
A cantor is a Jewish religious official who sings at services. Cantors used to be all male, but now all branches of Judaism except Orthodox admit women cantors. Since women's voices sound different from men's, this leads to a real change in the profession. Please scroll down for a real change to a harder puzzle -- I hope.
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yay!

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