[Nimue] Feminine change

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Author Message Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8753 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:05 pm:        Some feminists like to say that professions change --for the better, of course -- as more women enter them. Women are supposed to be more humane and less aggressive, although I have never noticed any overall gender differences along these lines. But there's one profession that has incontrovertibly changed as it has gone from being entirely male to largely female. What is it and how come? Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1273 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:45 pm:        The profession - linked to education? the military? retail? law enforcement? arts? music? animals? healthcare? research? transport? clothing? food? some say that a profession loses status when it becomes increasingly female (as in the case of medicine in the UK) - is that relevant here? the relevant change - to do with working hours? childcare? pay? length of employment? physical equipment needed for the job? related to the smaller mean size of women? related to the smaller mean strength of women? related to clothing? Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3332 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:46 pm:        Could the profession be described as... Artistic / musical / writer Banking / financial / real estate Clerical / Administrative Computer related / Hardware Construction / Craftsman Criminal / Questionable Repute Education / Academic Research Entertainment / Media Environmental / Outdoors / Nature Executive / Management Hospitality / Travel Legal Services Manufacturing / Distributions Medical / Health Services Politics / Government / Military Sales / Marketing Technical / Science / Engineering Teaching / Child care Transportation Food Service Other? Has it changed for the better? for the worse? Is it a common profession? Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8756 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 10:04 pm:        Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1273 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The profession - linked to education? nothe military? no retail? no law enforcement? no arts? see next answer music? yes animals? no healthcare? no research? notransport? noclothing? no food? no some say that a profession loses status when it becomes increasingly female (as in the case of medicine in the UK) - is that relevant here? no the relevant change - to do with working hours? no childcare? nopay? no length of employment? no physical equipment needed for the job? no related to the smaller mean size of women? norelated to the smaller mean strength of women? no related to clothing? no Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3332 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Could the profession be described as... Artistic / musical yes / writer Banking / financial / real estate Clerical yes, in one sense of 'clerical / Administrative Computer related / Hardware Construction / Craftsman Criminal / Questionable Repute Education / Academic Research Entertainment / Media Environmental / Outdoors / Nature Executive / Management Hospitality / Travel Legal Services Manufacturing / Distributions Medical / Health Services Politics / Government / Military Sales / Marketing Technical / Science / Engineering Teaching / Child care Transportation Food Service Other? yes Has it changed for the better?That's a matter of opinion, but many people would say neither for the worse? ditto Is it a common profession? no Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3336 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 10:18 pm:        "clerical" in the sense of church-related? Organist? Some other kind of church musician? Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8757 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 10:49 pm:        Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3336 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 10:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) "clerical" in the sense of church-related? yope Organist? no Some other kind of church musician? yope Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3337 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:02 pm:        Convents/nunneries relevant? Choirs relevant? Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8759 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:17 pm:        Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3337 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Convents/nunneries relevant? no Choirs relevant? no Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2094 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:31 pm:        Does the profession involve playing music? Teaching it? Singing? Recording? The technical side of music production? Is religion relevant? Would the women in this profession all be of a particular religion? Are women's voices relevant? Language relevant? Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8761 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:52 pm:        Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2094 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the profession involve playing music? {no}Teaching it? noSinging? yes Recording? possibly The technical side of music production? no Is religion relevant? yes Would the women in this profession all be of a particular religion? yes Are women's voices relevant? yes Language relevant? yope Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3341 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:57 pm:        Would the women all be Christian? Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist? Hinduist? Christian Rock relevant? Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2096 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 9:56 am:        Is it being some kind of religious leader? One who sings? Gospel music relevant? Someone who performs to a congregation? Are religions' views on women relevant? Has the relevant religion moved away from preaching the superiority of men because women are now involved in it? Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8764 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 6:55 pm:        Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3341 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would the women all be Christian? Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist? Hinduist?Jewish Christian Rock relevant? no Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2096 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 9:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it being some kind of religious leader? yesOne who sings? yesGospel music relevant? noSomeone who performs to a congregation? yes Are religions' views on women relevant? only because they changed to enable women to have this functionHas the relevant religion moved away from preaching the superiority of men because women are now involved in it? irrel Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2101 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 7:23 pm:        Is it a rabbi? Other leader? Someone who focuses specifically on the music? Deholmes (Deholmes) New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2012 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 8:28 pm:        Is it a reverend or a minister? Do we need to determine the church involved? Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3747 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 1:07 pm:        cantor? Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8768 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 8:47 pm:        Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2101 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 7:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it a rabbi? noOther leader? yes Someone who focuses specifically on the music? yes-- see below Deholmes (Deholmes) New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2012 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 8:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it a reverend or a minister? no Do we need to determine the church involved? n/a Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3747 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 1:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) cantor? yes ************ SPOILER ************** A cantor is a Jewish religious official who sings at services. Cantors used to be all male, but now all branches of Judaism except Orthodox admit women cantors. Since women's voices sound different from men's, this leads to a real change in the profession. Please scroll down for a real change to a harder puzzle -- I hope. Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3754 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 2:24 pm:        yay!