[Balin] On his own two feet Log Out | Topics | Search
Moderators | Register | Edit Profile

Lateral Puzzles » Solved Lateral Thinking Puzzles » Solved Puzzles - January 2013 » [Balin] On his own two feet « Previous Next »

Author Message
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18160
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man was sentenced to stand. Explain.

FMOI, "man" = H/A/M
Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member
Username: Rbruma

Post Number: 2314
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 8:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sentenced - by a public authority? (government, judge, etc).

Relevant when this happened (as in historical period)? True story?

Stand - be upright on your feet? Or rather stand for an idea, opinion, etc?
Doriana (Doriana)
New member
Username: Doriana

Post Number: 3371
Registered: 12-2010
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 1:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the man physically able to stand?

Is he forced to stand in a particular place?

Relevant why he was sentenced in the first place? Had he committed a crime? If so, relevant what crime?
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member
Username: Dlcygnet

Post Number: 1760
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sentenced to "stand" trial? Stand while holding two buckets full of water? Stand guard? Stand watch?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18163
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sentenced - by a public authority? (government, judge, etc). Yes, by a judge

Relevant when this happened (as in historical period)? Yes, early 1900s True story? No, I made it up

Stand - be upright on your feet? This Or rather stand for an idea, opinion, etc?

Is the man physically able to stand? Yes

Is he forced to stand in a particular place? Yes

Relevant why he was sentenced in the first place? Had he committed a crime? If so, relevant what crime? Yes to all

Sentenced to "stand" trial? Stand while holding two buckets full of water? Stand guard? Stand watch? No to these
Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member
Username: Deholmes

Post Number: 216
Registered: 11-2012
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Stand so he could observe something? Maybe stand in his cell so he could look out the window and see another hanged for a similar crime?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18165
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2013 - 11:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Stand so he could observe something? YOPE Maybe stand in his cell so he could look out the window and see another hanged for a similar crime? Not this though
Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member
Username: Danielvs

Post Number: 452
Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 2:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he forced to stand in his cell?
Crime: murder? manslaughter? assault? burglary? robbery? theft?
Does the man have any relevant health condition?
Did the judge sentence him to stand so he would feel/see/suffer the same as his victim did?
Relevant to know for how long he was sentenced to stand?
Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member
Username: Deholmes

Post Number: 220
Registered: 11-2012
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 4:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Stand to observe a trial, a sentencing, a punishment?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 5122
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Community service? Stand in a: home? Public place? Uncomfortable place? Dangerous place? Any old place? Relevant how long he would stand? What he would do while standing? Would relevant people be around while he stood? People seeing him relevant? Him speaking while standing relevant?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 3759
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

stand in the stocks?

did he have his chair confiscated? his horse?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18171
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 4:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he forced to stand in his cell? No
Crime: murder? Attempted murder, and something else manslaughter? assault? burglary? robbery? theft? No to these
Does the man have any relevant health condition? No
Did the judge sentence him to stand so he would feel/see/suffer the same as his victim did? YOPE
Relevant to know for how long he was sentenced to stand? Yes

Stand to observe a trial, a sentencing, a punishment? The latter

Community service? No Stand in a: home? Public place? This Uncomfortable place? Dangerous place? And this Any old place? Relevant how long he would stand? Yes What he would do while standing? Yope Would relevant people be around while he stood? Yes People seeing him relevant? Yes Him speaking while standing relevant? No

stand in the stocks? No

did he have his chair confiscated? his horse? No to both
Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member
Username: Deholmes

Post Number: 223
Registered: 11-2012
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Early 1900: End of the Old West? Advent of the automobile? are these relevant?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18178
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 11:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Early 1900: End of the Old West? Advent of the automobile? are these relevant? Neither
Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member
Username: Deholmes

Post Number: 228
Registered: 11-2012
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 2:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he fully clothed for this punishment? Did it take place in a dungeon? Did he have to stand in something? Was he barefooted? Would it help to know in which country this took place?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18184
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he fully clothed for this punishment? Yes Did it take place in a dungeon? No Did he have to stand in something? No Was he barefooted? No Would it help to know in which country this took place? Not really
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2154
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the punishment intended to humiliate him? To let other know what he had done? To lower his standing in the community? Did he have to be dressed a certain way while standing? Hold a sign? Something else? Have something written on him? Stand near something relevant? Stand in a place such that people would know why he was standing there? Had others previously been sentenced to stand in the same place?

Did he have to stand somewhere in the town? Was it dangerous because he might get attacked? Dangerous because of its physical location (eg on top of a cliff)? Was the danger that the man might get hurt? Injured? Become ill? Are dangerous animals involved?
Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member
Username: Danielvs

Post Number: 455
Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He was sentenced to stand for:
<1 hour?
1-6 hours?
7-12 hours?
13-24 hours?
>24 hours?

Was he sentenced to stand for a precise period of time (e.g. 3 hours and 11 minutes)?

Relevant people around him:
Relatives?
Friends?
Co-workers?
Strangers?
His victim(s)?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18190
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the punishment intended to humiliate him? To let other know what he had done? To lower his standing in the community? No to these
Did he have to be dressed a certain way while standing? NoISH Hold a sign? Something else? Have something written on him? No to these... Stand near something relevant? ...but Yes Stand in a place such that people would know why he was standing there? And Yes Had others previously been sentenced to stand in the same place? No

Did he have to stand somewhere in the town? Yes, and I'll add that it was on the edge of the town, see next Was it dangerous because he might get attacked? No Dangerous because of its physical location This is a part of the danger (eg on top of a cliff) Exactly! ? Was the danger that the man might get hurt? Injured? Not "might" Become ill? No Are dangerous animals involved? No

He was sentenced to stand for:
<1 hour? This
1-6 hours?
7-12 hours?
13-24 hours?
>24 hours?

Was he sentenced to stand for a precise period of time Yes (e.g. 3 hours and 11 minutes)? But you don't need to know the exact time -- it could have been 30 minutes, 20 minutes, 25 minutes and 43 seconds...

Relevant people around him:
Relatives?
Friends?
Co-workers?
Strangers?
His victim(s)? A little bit about this is relevant, and a group of people you haven't mentioned yet
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2161
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the punishment intended to kill him? To injure him?

So he was sentenced to stand on top of a cliff? Near the edge? Did he fall off the cliff? Is the cliff the relevant thing he had to stand near, or is there something else?

Is he on an island?

Did the punishment allow his victim(s), or people associated with them, to get their revenge on him personally?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18193
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the punishment intended to kill him? Yes To injure him?

So he was sentenced to stand on top of a cliff? Yes Near the edge? Yes, but may mislead!! Did he fall off the cliff? Yope Is the cliff the relevant thing he had to stand near, or is there something else? There is something else, but the cliff is relevant

Is he on an island? Irrel

Did the punishment allow his victim(s), or people associated with them, to get their revenge on him personally? No, but OTRT
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2163
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he standing on the ground of the clifftop? On something that extended out past the edge?

Did he die by hitting the ground at the bottom of the cliff? By drowning in the sea? from a fall? From exposure? Was he hung from the cliff? Was he killed with a weapon?

Was he pushed off the cliff? Did he have to stand on a small support, so that eventually he would lose his balance and fall? Something similar to this? Did the surface he was standing on fall away?
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2164
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another thought - did people throw stuff at him? Were the onlookers involved in the execution process?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18195
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he standing on the ground of the clifftop? On something that extended out past the edge? This

Did he die by hitting the ground at the bottom of the cliff? By drowning in the sea? Either this... from a fall? From exposure? Was he hung from the cliff? ...or this. Way to hit both on one shot. Was he killed with a weapon?

Was he pushed off the cliff? No Did he have to stand on a small support, so that eventually he would lose his balance and fall? No Something similar to this? Yope Did the surface he was standing on fall away? YES, explore

Another thought - did people throw stuff at him? No Were the onlookers involved in the execution process? No
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2166
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he hung in the sense that a noose was put round his neck, and he died either of a broken neck or of suffocation? Or dangled in a less fatal way? Was he hung on a long enough rope to reach the water? Was the rope released after a certain time so that if he wasn't dead from the hanging he would drown? Was he given the choice between the two ways of dying?

Was he standing on a plank? A platform? Was it something that reached from the ground of the clifftop out over the edge? Was it pulled away from under him? Did it fall into the sea? Was there some kind of time limit involved before he died, eg he was sentenced to stand on a rapidly crumbling piece of rock? Was the exact moment of his death somewhat up to chance?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18199
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he hung in the sense that a noose was put round his neck, and he died either of a broken neck or of suffocation? YesISH Or dangled in a less fatal way? No Was he hung on a long enough rope to reach the water? No Was the rope released after a certain time so that if he wasn't dead from the hanging he would drown? No Was he given the choice between the two ways of dying? Yes

Was he standing on a plank? A platform? This. He was standing on the gallows, which hung over the cliff's edge Was it something that reached from the ground of the clifftop out over the edge? Yes Was it pulled away from under him? No Did it fall into the sea? Yes Was there some kind of time limit involved before he died, Yes eg he was sentenced to stand on a rapidly crumbling piece of rock? No Was the exact moment of his death somewhat up to chance? Not exactly
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2168
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he given the option of jumping into the water and drowning, or staying on the platform and being hung?
Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member
Username: Liquizt

Post Number: 808
Registered: 5-2008
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 12:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he told how long he had until the platform was removed? Would the platform be removed by a person?

Did he have a noose around his neck the entire time he was standing? Was he being given the option to choose to hang himself before the time elapsed?
Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member
Username: Danielvs

Post Number: 457
Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was his crime: negligence?

How many victims:
1?
2-5?
>5?

So I understand he actually was sentenced to death, since he would die eventually, either from hanging or from drowning, correct? So the judge knew that necessarily something was going to happen if he stood there (I mean, no way he could walk out from there unharmed).

Is his job relevant? Did he work in a prison? with law?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18207
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 6:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he given the option of jumping into the water and drowning, or staying on the platform and being hung? No

Was he told how long he had until the platform was removed? Well, he knew how long it would be, yes Would the platform be removed by a person? No!

Did he have a noose around his neck the entire time he was standing? Yes Was he being given the option to choose to hang himself before the time elapsed? Yes

Was his crime: negligence? No

How many victims:
1?
2-5?
>5? This

So I understand he actually was sentenced to death, since he would die eventually, either from hanging or from drowning, correct? Right So the judge knew that necessarily something was going to happen if he stood there (I mean, no way he could walk out from there unharmed). Sort of -- see my response to Liquizt's last 2 questions

Is his job relevant? DOYD of "job" Did he work in a prison? with law? No to both
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2171
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 8:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the platform removed by any living thing? Pulled away by an animal?
Was it removed by the link being broken between the mainland and the platform he was on? Did the whole gallows fall into the sea? Just part of it? A trapdoor under the man? Was it removed because a physical process acted upon it? Is burning relevant? Erosion? An explosion? Did the wood (or whatever the platform was made of) break?

So: the prisoner was made to stand on the gallows out over the sea with a noose round his neck, correct? And he had a certain time before the gallows would fall away, hanging him? But he had the option to hang himself before this - by jumping off the platform? Removing the platform himself? Requesting to be hung, at which point the platform would be removed?

I'm a bit confused as to where the possibility of drowning comes into this - did he have any option to remove the noose from his neck? Would one of his choices result in him falling into the sea rather than being hung? Would this happen to him if he did not hang himself within the allotted time period? Thus encouraging him to hang himself rather than face the more drawn-out death of drowning?

Had he carried out an attempted mass-murder? A terrorist plot? Attempted assassination? Treason? Had he attempted to kill all his victims at the same time? In the same place? Was there an element of 'punishment fits the crime'? Had he done something similar to others?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 3767
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he standing on a block of ice?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18212
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the platform removed by any living thing? Pulled away by an animal? No to both
Was it removed by the link being broken between the mainland and the platform he was on? Yes Did the whole gallows fall into the sea? Yes Just part of it? A trapdoor under the man? Was it removed because a physical process acted upon it? Yes, see next Is burning relevant? Erosion? An explosion? YES Did the wood (or whatever the platform was made of) break? Well, yes

So: the prisoner was made to stand on the gallows out over the sea with a noose round his neck, correct? Yes And he had a certain time before the gallows would fall away, hanging him? Yes But he had the option to hang himself before this - by jumping off the platform? Yes Removing the platform himself? Requesting to be hung, at which point the platform would be removed?

I'm a bit confused as to where the possibility of drowning comes into this - did he have any option to remove the noose from his neck? No Would one of his choices result in him falling into the sea rather than being hung? Yes... Would this happen to him if he did not hang himself within the allotted time period? ...YES Thus encouraging him to hang himself rather than face the more drawn-out death of drowning? YOPE, although to be fair, the fall probably would kill him before drowning

Had he carried out an attempted mass-murder? Yes A terrorist plot? Basically Attempted assassination? Treason? Had he attempted to kill all his victims at the same time? Yes In the same place? Yes Was there an element of 'punishment fits the crime'? Definitely Had he done something similar to others? Irrel

was he standing on a block of ice? No

This should go in the next couple posts.
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2179
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the gallows rigged to a barrel of gunpowder or similar? Other explosive device? Was there a fuse, or trail of gunpowder, burning down towards the gallows?

Had his crime involved explosives? Drowning? Hanging? Had he tried to blow up a building? A gathering?

Was the punishment intended to involve an element of psychological torture by forcing him to choose his own death? So if he jumped before the explosion, he would be hung, but if he waited the whole gallows would fall, killing him?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18216
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the gallows rigged to a barrel of gunpowder or similar? Other explosive device? Some form of time bomb Was there a fuse, or trail of gunpowder, burning down towards the gallows? Or timer. The exact device is irrelevant, just that it was a timed explosive

Had his crime involved explosives? Yes Drowning? Hanging? YOPE to both Had he tried to blow up a building? No... A gathering? Yope

Was the punishment intended to involve an element of psychological torture by forcing him to choose his own death? This was part of it, but more of "punishment fits the crime" So if he jumped before the explosion, he would be hung, but if he waited the whole gallows would fall, killing him? Yes
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2181
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His crime had failed, right? Had he intended it to involve hanging? Drowning? Had he planned to blow up the surface the victims were standing on? Was it politically motivated? Was there a relevant connection between the victims?
Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member
Username: Liquizt

Post Number: 815
Registered: 5-2008
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he put his victims in a situation where they were to choose their way of dying? Either by an alleged bomb or by their own hands?
Had a made a bomb threat? was the threat real?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18219
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His crime had failed, right? Yes Had he intended it to involve hanging? Drowning? Again, YOPE to both Had he planned to blow up the surface the victims were standing on? This Was it politically motivated? Irrel, but Yes Was there a relevant connection between the victims? No

Had he put his victims in a situation where they were to choose their way of dying? Either by an alleged bomb or by their own hands? No
Had a made a bomb threat? No, but... was the threat real? Yes
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18220
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I correct myself: His motivation is relevant, and it is political. You may want to explore.
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2183
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 3:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it fail because the bomb did not go off? Because the victims were not where he thought they'd be? Because they escaped?

Were the victims on a surface extended out over a cliff? Over water? Were they on a boat? Had he intended to kill them by the force of the explosion? By the fall? By entering the water?

Was the crime intended to get attention for a cause? To force a political change? Were the victims involved in politics?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18223
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it fail because the bomb did not go off? Because the victims were not where he thought they'd be? Because they escaped? No to all

Were the victims on a surface extended out over a cliff? Yes Over water? Yes Were they on a boat? No
Had he intended to kill them by the force of the explosion? By the fall? By entering the water? Any of these would have sufficed

Was the crime intended to get attention for a cause? Yes To force a political change? Yes Were the victims involved in politics? Some were-ish, most were not or it is irrel if they were
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2185
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was some event happening? Had a platform been built out over the water to allow people to stand on it? Was it a dancefloor? Was it a viewing platform?

So his crime was attempting to kill people by blowing up the ground/platform beneath their feet, and thus he was sentenced to die the same way?
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2186
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh - and is the political issue an Irish one?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18226
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was some event happening? Yes Had a platform been built out over the water to allow people to stand on it? Yes, at some time well before the puzzle's events Was it a dance floor? No Was it a viewing platform? Part of it was a viewing platform, yes

So his crime was attempting to kill people by blowing up the ground/platform beneath their feet, and thus he was sentenced to die the same way? Yes, and...

Oh - and is the political issue an Irish one? No
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2188
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were people sitting on the platform? Standing? Was someone speaking? Were they eating? Dancing? Was there music? Was the platform enclosed?

Would some of his victims have been hung? Or dangled in some way?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18229
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 5:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were people sitting on the platform? Standing? This, No to rest Was someone speaking? Were they eating? Dancing? Was there music? Was the platform enclosed? Irrel

Would some of his victims have been hung? Or dangled in some way? No, with a slight -ish
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 5137
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he thrown someone down the cliff? Or threatened to?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18232
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 9:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he thrown someone down the cliff? Or threatened to? No to both
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member
Username: Alhucema

Post Number: 2632
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the platform (the one he was attempting to blow up) only temporary?

Was it just a platform? Or a part of something else?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18237
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the platform (the one he was attempting to blow up) only temporary? No

Was it just a platform? Or a part of something else? This

You have all the pieces; just connect the dots.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member
Username: Alhucema

Post Number: 2633
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A lighthouse?

A restaurant?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18239
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A lighthouse? A restaurant? No to both.

You have all the pieces.
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2213
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So - this guy had a plot to blow up a structure (building? Another gallows?) that extended out over a cliff edge, killing the people on it to make a political point. He failed, was caught, and was sentenced to death, allowed to choose between hanging himself or dying the same way his victims would have done.

Was a hanging the event that he originally tried to blow up? An execution? Of someone connected to the bomber?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18240
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So - this guy had a plot to blow up a structure (building? No Another gallows? No, but...) that extended out over a cliff edge, killing the people on it to make a political point. He failed, was caught, and was sentenced to death, allowed to choose between hanging himself or dying the same way his victims would have done. Yes

Was a hanging the event that he originally tried to blow up? Yes An execution? Yes Of someone connected to the bomber? Irrel
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 2215
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was someone being hung on a platform sticking out over the cliff? Were they being executed in the same choose-your-death method that they later applied to the bomber? Was he protesting capital punishment? The method of execution?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18241
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was someone being hung on a platform sticking out over the cliff? Yes... Were they being executed in the same choose-your-death method that they later applied to the bomber? No Was he protesting capital punishment? Yes The method of execution? See prev

You may have a lingering FA that is preventing you from getting the last bit
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member
Username: Alhucema

Post Number: 2634
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he at first try to blow up some sort of gallows platform over a cliff when an execution was going on?

Was he caught and sentenced to the same death?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18244
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2013 - 12:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he at first try to blow up some sort of gallows platform over a cliff when an execution was going on? Yes. There is one more detail about this gallows platform that you need before I can $poyle.

Was he caught and sentenced to the same death? YES, emphasis on "same"
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member
Username: Alhucema

Post Number: 2637
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 12:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the man tries to blow up the gallows platform.

He fails, and is immediately placed on the same gallows to find the same fate?

Did he try to free someone? Would you qualify him as a criminal? Pirate?

Was the gallows platform man-made? If so, was it specially for this purpose?

Is it relevant how many people had to be executed originally, and their relationship to the man?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 18252
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 9:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the man tries to blow up the gallows platform. He fails, and is immediately placed on the same gallows to find the same fate? YES -- nobody had said (I believe) that the gallows he tried to blow up and the gallows he was executed on were one and the same.

****SPOILER****

In the early 1900s (picked because this was the only time period where I could imagine a village hanging people over a cliff AND I knew time bombs definitely existed), a man tried to blow up the town's gallows, which hung over the edge of a cliff and included a large viewing platform, by means of a time bomb as a protest against capital punishment. The bomb would have gone off during a hanging, when a crowd of people was standing on the gallows, either killing them in the explosion or plunging them into the sea. However, he was caught while planting the bomb, arrested, and sent to trial. The judge sentenced the man to stand on the gallows with his hands tied and a rope around his neck, while the bomb ticked away below him. This gave the man two choices: he could jump off the gallows before the bomb went off, hanging himself, or he could stand there until the bomb exploded, allowing him to see his plan to completion but dropping him into the waves below in the process. Either way, the man would be killed.

Nice work everyone (Alhucema, Enjay, and the rest of you, which was a lot of the rest) -- this was a fun puzzle to run; I didn't expect the last bit of information to take so long. New puzzle shortly.

Add Your Message Here
Post:
Username: Posting Information:
This is a private posting area. Only registered users and moderators may post messages here.
Password:
Options: Enable HTML code in message
Automatically activate URLs in message
Action: