| Author | Message | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 461 Registered: 7-2006 |
Klaus, a healty young man with no ailments worth mentioning, eats a moderate quantity of oatmeal for breakfast. He does not live to see the next day. The puzzle is based on real events, but I am uncertain whether the consequences would be this serious | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4462 Registered: 1-2007 |
Long experience tells me not to make any assumptions so Does not live to see the next day = Dies? If so does he die from natural causes? a specific illness? accident? violently? murdered? suicide? Does eating the oatmeal directly lead to his death? Had he had cornflakes would he still be alive? Does he add anything to the oatmeal? Historical era relevant? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 463 Registered: 7-2006 |
Long experience tells me not to make any assumptions so Does not live to see the next day = Dies? Yes (: If so does he die from natural causes? Umm... I'll chance a "Yes", but this is a matter of definition a specific illness? Yes, if it can be called that accident? With a component, perhaps, of this violently? No murdered? No suicide? No Does eating the oatmeal directly lead to his death? Noish Had he had cornflakes would he still be alive? Yes, with a reservation about lacking foodstuff-knowledge on my part Does he add anything to the oatmeal? Nothing relevant, probably milk and perhaps sugar Historical era relevant? Yes | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4465 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does some element of Klaus' daily routine contribute to his death? Does he eat the oatmeal from a bowl with a spoon? does he do anything unusual with the bowl or spoon afterwards? or does he just wash them and put them away? Does he eat the oatmeal in his own home? When you say moderate do you mean that it was sufficient or was it slightly less than Kluas required i.e. would he have still been hungry after? Although his death is not violent is he in any peril when this happens? Is the meal rushed? Are other foods available to him? Is Kluas' occupation relevant? Is there a war on? would invoking an LTPF list of centuries be ok? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 464 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does some element of Klaus' daily routine contribute to his death? Noish Does he eat the oatmeal from a bowl with a spoon? Yes does he do anything unusual with the bowl or spoon afterwards? No or does he just wash them and put them away? He just leaves them on the table to let others tidy up after him. But this is irrelevant to the puzzle. Does he eat the oatmeal in his own home? No When you say moderate do you mean that it was sufficient or was it slightly less than Kluas required i.e. would he have still been hungry after? Just enough to make a good breakfast Although his death is not violent is he in any peril when this happens? Yes, providing by "this" you mean the time of his death. Is the meal rushed? No Are other foods available to him? Yes Is Kluas' occupation relevant? Yes Is there a war on? Yes would invoking an LTPF list of centuries be ok? I'll save you the trouble: 20th | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3437 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are there bugs/parasites in the oatmeal? War... WWI? WWII? Is he a soldier? Is he German? Relevant? Does he eat it at a hotel? field camp? hospital? someone else's home? Does he die within minutes after eating the oatmeal? an hour? several hours? Does he die of organ failure? internal bleeding? heart attack? stroke? head trauma? asphyxation? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 465 Registered: 7-2006 |
Are there bugs/parasites in the oatmeal? <b>No</b> War... WWI? WWII? This Is he a soldier? No, provided my understanding of the word "soldier" is correct Is he German? Relevant? Both yes Does he eat it at a hotel? field camp? hospital? someone else's home? None of these Does he die within minutes after eating the oatmeal? an hour? several hours? This Does he die of organ failure? This internal bleeding? and this heart attack? stroke? head trauma? asphyxation? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3439 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is he, in any way, a member of the military? Is he a politician? a civil servant? a spy? Is his profession in any way related to the war? Is he in Germany when this happens? Would someone else who had eaten this oatmeal have died as well? of the same causes? Is it relevant what he did between breakfast and his death? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4466 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does he swallow something to stop it falling into other's hands? If so does it react with the oatmeal in any way? Does his stomach burst? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 466 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is he, in any way, a member of the military? Yes Is he a politician? a civil servant? a spy? None of these Is his profession in any way related to the war? Yes Is he in Germany when this happens? Yes Would someone else who had eaten this oatmeal have died as well? Possibly of the same causes? Yes Is it relevant what he did between breakfast and his death? Very | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 467 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does he swallow something to stop it falling into other's hands? No If so does it react with the oatmeal in any way? So no Does his stomach burst? No | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2638 Registered: 11-2008 |
Any allergy relevant? Poison? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4467 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is Klaus an Army Chaplain? Is there an actual engagement with the enemy occuring at the time of his death? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4469 Registered: 1-2007 |
Or maybe he's a medic? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 468 Registered: 7-2006 |
Any allergy relevant? Poison? Neither Is Klaus an Army Chaplain? Is there an actual engagement with the enemy occuring at the time of his death? Both no Let's say i answered a previous question wrongly, and that he actually is a soldier. Just so that I don't unfairly exclude relevant possibilities | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3787 Registered: 2-2011 |
did daddy bear arrive and kill him? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 469 Registered: 7-2006 |
Or maybe he's a medic? No did daddy bear arrive and kill him? No. Any appearance by daddy bear in this puzzle is purely decorative. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 855 Registered: 5-2008 |
Is one of his duties to take up arms and fire at the enemy if they are sighted? Does his role place him on the front line most of the time? away from the front line? Does he spend any time on the front line in the role and rank he last had before death? Is his death the fault of an enemy of Germany during WWII? a German? himself? another individual? Does this incident occur before the Christmas football match? during or around that time? after? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 471 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is one of his duties to take up arms and fire at the enemy if they are sighted? Yes, i would say so Does his role place him on the front line most of the time? away from the front line? This Does he spend any time on the front line in the role and rank he last had before death? No Is his death the fault of an enemy of Germany during WWII? a German? himself? This another individual? Does this incident occur before the Christmas football match? during or around that time? after? My knowledge of history seems to be non-existent regarding this. When did the Christmas football match occur? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1848 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is it relevant where he kept his oatflakes before he took a meal? Did he prepare the meal himself? Is that relevant? Was his oatmeal contaminated? Did something relevant happen during his meal? Between the meal and the death? Was he a high-ranked officer? Did he operate any war machines? Did he work in air? on sea? Did he work in headquaters? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4474 Registered: 1-2007 |
Actually the Christmas football match took place during the first world war. Does he have an administrative role? is he a planner? involved in supplies? | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 861 Registered: 5-2008 |
Clearly my knowledge of history is worse! If he were able to and have had a full continental breakfast would he have died? Is this a case of wrong place, wrong time? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 473 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is it relevant where he kept his oatflakes before he took a meal? No Did he prepare the meal himself? Yes Is that relevant? No Was his oatmeal contaminated? No Did something relevant happen during his meal? No Between the meal and the death? Yes Was he a high-ranked officer? Yes Did he operate any war machines? Yes Did he work in air? Yes on sea? No Did he work in headquaters? No Does he have an administrative role? is he a planner? involved in supplies? None of these If he were able to and have had a full continental breakfast would he have died? Not sure, I think no Is this a case of wrong place, wrong time? Probably | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4482 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is he a pilot? Gunner? Navigator? Does the length of time taken to prepare his breakfast have any bearing on the solution? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 474 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is he a pilot? Gunner? Navigator? Pilot Does the length of time taken to prepare his breakfast have any bearing on the solution? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1854 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he eat? drink? inhale? something that negatively reacted with the oatmeal? Did the oatmeal affect his piloting skills? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 477 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did he eat? drink? inhale? something that negatively reacted with the oatmeal? No Did the oatmeal affect his piloting skills? Noish | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1875 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he pilot a plane between eating oatmeal and death? Is it relevant how his stomach reacted to the oatmeal? Did he eat the oatmeal for breakfast on the regular basis? Did the enemy attack his base/camp between eating oatmeal and the death? If yes, was the base/camp evacuated? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 478 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did he pilot a plane between eating oatmeal and death? Yes Is it relevant how his stomach reacted to the oatmeal? Yes Did he eat the oatmeal for breakfast on the regular basis? No Did the enemy attack his base/camp between eating oatmeal and the death? No If yes, was the base/camp evacuated? No | ||
| Mimino (Mimino)
New member Username: Mimino Post Number: 82 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did he die because his plane crashed? Was he on a combat mission? did he get into enemy fire? Or was he on a test flight? Did he eat oatmeal before? and fly a plane afterwards? without any problems? Flight height relevant? Did he have a problem with the cabin pressure? Oatmeal can produce intestinal gas, which can damage the stomach if the outside air pressure is low enough .. is this relevant? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 479 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did he die because his plane crashed? No Was he on a combat mission? Yes did he get into enemy fire? No Or was he on a test flight? No Did he eat oatmeal before? Yes and fly a plane afterwards? Yes without any problems? He had problems Flight height relevant? Yes Did he have a problem with the cabin pressure? Nothing apart from what was expected Oatmeal can produce intestinal gas, which can damage the stomach if the outside air pressure is low enough .. is this relevant? Yes ************** SPOILER **************** One of the less known WWII combat aeroplanes was the Messerschmitt 163, a rocket-powered machine which could reach altitudes in the neighbourhood of 40 000 feet. Not having a pressurised cabin, this could lead to serious problems with expanding gas inside the pilot's intestines. For this reason, the the pilots were put on a low-fibre diet to counteract the tendencies of gas buildup. Oatmeal, being rich in fibres, would have the opposite effect. So, giving in to his urge to enjoy his favourite breakfast, Klaus got sufficient gas problems to kill him. |
