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Abc (Abc)
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Post Number: 461
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 10:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Klaus, a healty young man with no ailments worth mentioning, eats a moderate quantity of oatmeal for breakfast. He does not live to see the next day.

The puzzle is based on real events, but I am uncertain whether the consequences would be this serious
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Post Number: 4462
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 11:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Long experience tells me not to make any assumptions so

Does not live to see the next day = Dies?

If so does he die from natural causes? a specific illness? accident? violently? murdered? suicide?
Does eating the oatmeal directly lead to his death? Had he had cornflakes would he still be alive?

Does he add anything to the oatmeal?

Historical era relevant?
Abc (Abc)
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Post Number: 463
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Long experience tells me not to make any assumptions so

Does not live to see the next day = Dies? Yes (:

If so does he die from natural causes? Umm... I'll chance a "Yes", but this is a matter of definition
a specific illness? Yes, if it can be called that
accident? With a component, perhaps, of this
violently? No
murdered? No
suicide? No
Does eating the oatmeal directly lead to his death? Noish
Had he had cornflakes would he still be alive? Yes, with a reservation about lacking foodstuff-knowledge on my part

Does he add anything to the oatmeal? Nothing relevant, probably milk and perhaps sugar

Historical era relevant? Yes
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 11:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does some element of Klaus' daily routine contribute to his death? Does he eat the oatmeal from a bowl with a spoon? does he do anything unusual with the bowl or spoon afterwards? or does he just wash them and put them away?

Does he eat the oatmeal in his own home? When you say moderate do you mean that it was sufficient or was it slightly less than Kluas required i.e. would he have still been hungry after?

Although his death is not violent is he in any peril when this happens? Is the meal rushed? Are other foods available to him?

Is Kluas' occupation relevant? Is there a war on?

would invoking an LTPF list of centuries be ok?
Abc (Abc)
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Post Number: 464
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 12:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does some element of Klaus' daily routine contribute to his death? Noish
Does he eat the oatmeal from a bowl with a spoon? Yes
does he do anything unusual with the bowl or spoon afterwards? No
or does he just wash them and put them away? He just leaves them on the table to let others tidy up after him. But this is irrelevant to the puzzle.

Does he eat the oatmeal in his own home? No
When you say moderate do you mean that it was sufficient or was it slightly less than Kluas required i.e. would he have still been hungry after? Just enough to make a good breakfast

Although his death is not violent is he in any peril when this happens? Yes, providing by "this" you mean the time of his death.
Is the meal rushed? No
Are other foods available to him? Yes

Is Kluas' occupation relevant? Yes
Is there a war on? Yes
would invoking an LTPF list of centuries be ok? I'll save you the trouble: 20th
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 12:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there bugs/parasites in the oatmeal?

War... WWI? WWII?
Is he a soldier?
Is he German? Relevant?

Does he eat it at a hotel? field camp? hospital? someone else's home?

Does he die within minutes after eating the oatmeal? an hour? several hours?

Does he die of organ failure? internal bleeding? heart attack? stroke? head trauma? asphyxation?
Abc (Abc)
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Post Number: 465
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 1:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there bugs/parasites in the oatmeal? <b>No</b>

War... WWI? WWII? This
Is he a soldier? No, provided my understanding of the word "soldier" is correct
Is he German? Relevant? Both yes

Does he eat it at a hotel? field camp? hospital? someone else's home? None of these

Does he die within minutes after eating the oatmeal? an hour? several hours? This

Does he die of organ failure? This internal bleeding? and this heart attack? stroke? head trauma? asphyxation?
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 1:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he, in any way, a member of the military?
Is he a politician? a civil servant? a spy?
Is his profession in any way related to the war?

Is he in Germany when this happens?

Would someone else who had eaten this oatmeal have died as well? of the same causes?

Is it relevant what he did between breakfast and his death?
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 1:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he swallow something to stop it falling into other's hands? If so does it react with the oatmeal in any way? Does his stomach burst?
Abc (Abc)
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Post Number: 466
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 1:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he, in any way, a member of the military? Yes
Is he a politician? a civil servant? a spy? None of these
Is his profession in any way related to the war? Yes

Is he in Germany when this happens? Yes

Would someone else who had eaten this oatmeal have died as well? Possibly
of the same causes? Yes

Is it relevant what he did between breakfast and his death? Very
Abc (Abc)
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 1:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he swallow something to stop it falling into other's hands? No
If so does it react with the oatmeal in any way? So no
Does his stomach burst? No
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 2:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any allergy relevant? Poison?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Klaus an Army Chaplain? Is there an actual engagement with the enemy occuring at the time of his death?
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 3:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Or maybe he's a medic?
Abc (Abc)
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any allergy relevant? Poison? Neither

Is Klaus an Army Chaplain? Is there an actual engagement with the enemy occuring at the time of his death? Both no

Let's say i answered a previous question wrongly, and that he actually is a soldier. Just so that I don't unfairly exclude relevant possibilities
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 8:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did daddy bear arrive and kill him?
Abc (Abc)
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Post Number: 469
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Or maybe he's a medic? No
did daddy bear arrive and kill him? No. Any appearance by daddy bear in this puzzle is purely decorative.
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 2:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is one of his duties to take up arms and fire at the enemy if they are sighted?
Does his role place him on the front line most of the time? away from the front line?
Does he spend any time on the front line in the role and rank he last had before death?

Is his death the fault of an enemy of Germany during WWII? a German? himself? another individual?

Does this incident occur before the Christmas football match? during or around that time? after?
Abc (Abc)
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Post Number: 471
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 5:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is one of his duties to take up arms and fire at the enemy if they are sighted? Yes, i would say so
Does his role place him on the front line most of the time? away from the front line? This
Does he spend any time on the front line in the role and rank he last had before death? No

Is his death the fault of an enemy of Germany during WWII? a German? himself? This another individual?

Does this incident occur before the Christmas football match? during or around that time? after? My knowledge of history seems to be non-existent regarding this. When did the Christmas football match occur?
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant where he kept his oatflakes before he took a meal? Did he prepare the meal himself? Is that relevant? Was his oatmeal contaminated?
Did something relevant happen during his meal? Between the meal and the death?
Was he a high-ranked officer? Did he operate any war machines? Did he work in air? on sea? Did he work in headquaters?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually the Christmas football match took place during the first world war.

Does he have an administrative role? is he a planner? involved in supplies?
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 2:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clearly my knowledge of history is worse!

If he were able to and have had a full continental breakfast would he have died?

Is this a case of wrong place, wrong time?
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Post Number: 473
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant where he kept his oatflakes before he took a meal? No
Did he prepare the meal himself? Yes
Is that relevant? No
Was his oatmeal contaminated? No
Did something relevant happen during his meal? No
Between the meal and the death? Yes
Was he a high-ranked officer? Yes
Did he operate any war machines? Yes
Did he work in air? Yes
on sea? No
Did he work in headquaters? No

Does he have an administrative role? is he a planner? involved in supplies? None of these

If he were able to and have had a full continental breakfast would he have died? Not sure, I think no

Is this a case of wrong place, wrong time? Probably
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he a pilot? Gunner? Navigator?

Does the length of time taken to prepare his breakfast have any bearing on the solution?
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Post Number: 474
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Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he a pilot? Gunner? Navigator? Pilot

Does the length of time taken to prepare his breakfast have any bearing on the solution? No
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Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he eat? drink? inhale? something that negatively reacted with the oatmeal?
Did the oatmeal affect his piloting skills?
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Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he eat? drink? inhale? something that negatively reacted with the oatmeal? No
Did the oatmeal affect his piloting skills? Noish
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Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he pilot a plane between eating oatmeal and death?
Is it relevant how his stomach reacted to the oatmeal? Did he eat the oatmeal for breakfast on the regular basis?
Did the enemy attack his base/camp between eating oatmeal and the death? If yes, was the base/camp evacuated?
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Post Number: 478
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Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 3:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he pilot a plane between eating oatmeal and death? Yes
Is it relevant how his stomach reacted to the oatmeal? Yes
Did he eat the oatmeal for breakfast on the regular basis? No
Did the enemy attack his base/camp between eating oatmeal and the death? No
If yes, was the base/camp evacuated? No
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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 12:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he die because his plane crashed?
Was he on a combat mission? did he get into enemy fire?
Or was he on a test flight?
Did he eat oatmeal before? and fly a plane afterwards? without any problems?
Flight height relevant? Did he have a problem with the cabin pressure?
Oatmeal can produce intestinal gas, which can damage the stomach if the outside air pressure is low enough .. is this relevant?
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Post Number: 479
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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he die because his plane crashed? No
Was he on a combat mission? Yes
did he get into enemy fire? No
Or was he on a test flight? No
Did he eat oatmeal before? Yes
and fly a plane afterwards? Yes
without any problems? He had problems
Flight height relevant? Yes
Did he have a problem with the cabin pressure? Nothing apart from what was expected
Oatmeal can produce intestinal gas, which can damage the stomach if the outside air pressure is low enough .. is this relevant? Yes

************** SPOILER ****************

One of the less known WWII combat aeroplanes was the Messerschmitt 163, a rocket-powered machine which could reach altitudes in the neighbourhood of 40 000 feet. Not having a pressurised cabin, this could lead to serious problems with expanding gas inside the pilot's intestines. For this reason, the the pilots were put on a low-fibre diet to counteract the tendencies of gas buildup. Oatmeal, being rich in fibres, would have the opposite effect. So, giving in to his urge to enjoy his favourite breakfast, Klaus got sufficient gas problems to kill him.

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