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Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 - 10:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A criminal fact was about to take place, but it was avoided with some interesting side-effects. One of those was that a man even changed his religion after that!

Please reconstruct the chain of events


From a short story. In the unlikely event that you've read it, please e-mail
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The man: H? A? M?
Other relevant people: none? 1-5? 6-10? 11-20? 20-100? more than 100?
Is location of the event relevant?
Man's prior religion: christian? buddhist? shinto? muslim? atheist? judaism? hinduism? other? Is denomination relevant?
Man's religion after the event: christian? buddhist? shinto? muslim? atheist? judaism? hinduism? other? Is denomination relevant?
Is it relevant how much time elapsed between avoiding the crime and changing religion?
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The man: H? A? M? Yes to all
Other relevant people: none? 1-5? One other man 6-10? 11-20? 20-100? more than 100?
Is location of the event relevant? Not especially, Eastern Europe
Man's prior religion: christian? buddhist? shinto? muslim? atheist? judaism? This hinduism? other? Is denomination relevant? No
Man's religion after the event: christian? This buddhist? shinto? muslim? atheist? judaism? hinduism? other? Is denomination relevant? No
Is it relevant how much time elapsed between avoiding the crime and changing religion?Yes
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World war 2 relevant? Nazism? Is the religion of the other man relevant? Time elapsed: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years?
Is the faith-changing man involved in the would-be crime? A victim? Same questions for the other man.
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Would it help to know when this took place? 1800s? 1900? 2000s? pre 1800s? crusades relevant?
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World war 2 relevant? No Nazism? No Is the religion of the other man relevant? No Time elapsed: seconds? This Minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years?
Is the faith-changing man involved in the would-be crime? Yes A victim? Yes Same questions for the other man. Involved as the agressor

Would it help to know when this took place? Somewhat. Assume late 1800s, beginnig of 1900s 1800s? 1900? 2000s? pre 1800s? crusades relevant? So, no
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Was the victim's religion a reason for the agression? Did the victim swear to change religion if he could avoid the crime?
The would-be crime: murder? theft? fraud? robbery? treason? kidnapping? other affecting money? other affecting live and health?
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Advent of the automobile relevant? of any motorized vehicle? any invention involved?
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Was the victim's religion a reason for the agression? Not directly, no Did the victim swear to change religion if he could avoid the crime? No
The would-be crime: murder? This theft? And this fraud? robbery? treason? kidnapping? other affecting money? other affecting live and health?

Advent of the automobile relevant? of any motorized vehicle? any invention involved?No

As a side note, the conversion in the text should be viewed "cum grano salis"... it was not a real conversion, but a way to say... well, the rest it's in the $poiler : ) )
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Would the thief have stealt from the murdered man? If yes, would he have murdered the victim first?
Did the victim pretend he became christian? Did he communicate it to the would-be-criminal? Did the would-be-criminal know that the conversion was not real?
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I'm so pleased with myself for understanding "cum grano salis" without looking it up...=D *continues to ponder this puzzle* I will come up with good questions eventually, I'm sure...*waits for answers to redwine's*
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Would the thief have stealt from the murdered man? Probably If yes, would he have murdered the victim first? Again, probably. Not really relevant for the puzzle. In the original story, he would have killed the whole family
Did the victim pretend he became christian? No, or noish, or maybe in a humorous way Did he communicate it to the would-be-criminal? No, it was more like a phrase said to himself Did the would-be-criminal know that the conversion was not real? He probably didn't hear it, or didn't care about it

HINT: When this happened might be of interest...
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I'm so pleased with myself for understanding "cum grano salis" without looking it up...=D *continues to ponder this puzzle* I will come up with good questions eventually, I'm sure...*waits for answers to redwine's*

We have more, like "Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum: habemus Papam" -- to be in line with current events, but we are also waiting for some questions to solve this small puzzle : - )
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How about "Salutationes, novem praesulis! Potes habere bubula cum caseus"? my friend Marta says it means "Welcome, new Pope! You can haz cheezburger." ...well, strictly speaking 'beef with cheese' since the silly Romans did not get around to inventing cheezburgerz. This is sad. =(

Did this happen in the 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? 12th? 11th? 10th? 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? 4th? 3rd? 2nd? 1st?
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oh wait, never mind. You already said late 1800's, beginning of 1900's. Strike the century list. Is there any relevance to the Victorian/Edwardian Eras?
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oh wait, never mind. You already said late 1800's, beginning of 1900's. Strike the century list. Is there any relevance to the Victorian/Edwardian Eras? No

May you have a nice "bubula cum caseus". : - ) The romans didn't invent the cheeseburger, but they invented the icecream, and they should be honored for that - a summer without icecream is like Rome without the Pope - quieter, but less interesting : - )
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*is glad they invented icecream* Yay :-D
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Thank you year-of-college-Latin for "cum grano salis"... don't know the puzzle though... let's see... I was going to guess The Merchant of Venice, but the date knocks that one out...

Is the season of the year relevant? The month? Any holidays relevant?

About to go have myself a nice bubula cum caseo (ablative)...
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Was the victim famous? Was the thief/murderer?
Is it relevant why was that specific victim chosen by the criminal? Was it a case of being wrong time and place? Did the victim know the criminal?
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Is the season of the year relevant? The month? Any holidays relevant? This one

About to go have myself a nice bubula cum caseo (ablative)... Ave, Balin, morituri te salutant! : - )

Was the victim famous? Was the thief/murderer? None of them were
Is it relevant why was that specific victim chosen by the criminal? Yope Was it a case of being wrong time and place? No! Did the victim know the criminal? Yes
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Did the crime take place on a Christian holiday? on a Jewish holiday? Was the criminal a parson/church minister/church worker ..?
Did he chose a holiday for his crime because he thought this would give him an alibi? that he could say he was in the church like anybody else?
Was it a conversion of the kind that the victim thought "If I was Christian he would not have chosen me .."? because the victim then would have been in the church, too?
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Did the crime take place on a Christian holiday? This on a Jewish holiday? So, no Was the criminal a parson/church minister/church worker ..? No
Did he chose a holiday for his crime because he thought this would give him an alibi? Probably that he could say he was in the church like anybody else? Probably, but unknown and irrelevant. The following are a no
Was it a conversion of the kind that the victim thought "If I was Christian he would not have chosen me .."? because the victim then would have been in the church, too?
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Would there have been more victims than our man and his family? Is victim's profession relevant?
Did the victim think something along the lines 'I avoided the crime because christian God protects his people/his holidays'?
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Is a particular Christian holiday relevant? Christmas? Easter? Assumption? Pentecost? All Saints Day?
Were the victim and the criminal related by blood? did they meet each other before?
Is the criminal's profession relevant?
Does the crime happen in the victim's house? in the criminal's house? in the victim's workplace? in the criminal's workplace?
Would the victim simply not have been in this place at this time if he had been Christian?
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Would there have been more victims than our man and his family? No Is victim's profession relevant? Yope. He was an inn-keeper
Did the victim think something along the lines 'I avoided the crime because christian God protects his people/his holidays'? No

Is a particular Christian holiday relevant? Yes, and it is... Christmas? Easter? ...this one. However, with some small modifications could have been any other important one Assumption? Pentecost? All Saints Day?
Were the victim and the criminal related by blood? No did they meet each other before? YES, and this is important
Is the criminal's profession relevant? Yes
Does the crime happen in the victim's house? Yes in the criminal's house? No in the victim's workplace? and Yes in the criminal's workplace? Noish
Would the victim simply not have been in this place at this time if he had been Christian? Probably, but irrelevant
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Is the victim's home and workplace the same? does his work involve religious artifacts? Is this an historical event? Does a religious leader desire lodging at his inn?
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Is the victim's home and workplace the same? No, but OTRT does his work involve religious artifacts? No Is this an historical event? No Does a religious leader desire lodging at his inn? No
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Did the victim avoid both murder and theft? Just murder?
Was the criminal an employer in the victim's inn? If not, did they meet once before the crime? Did they meet regularly before the crime?
Was victim's house adjacent to the inn?
Is it relevant what happened to the criminal after non-completed crime? Is it relevant what happened to the victim after non-completed crime?
Are other people besides criminal and victim relevant?
Did the criminal abandon his criminal plans: in the stage of planning? In the stage of preparation? During crime? Before seeing the victim? Before attacking the victim? Did the criminal commit other crime instead of the ones he planned?
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Did the victim avoid both murder and theft? Just murder? Probably both, but he was concerned about murder
Was the criminal an employer in the victim's inn? Not at the time, good question If not, did they meet once before the crime? Did they meet regularly before the crime? This one
Was victim's house adjacent to the inn? Irrel
Is it relevant what happened to the criminal after non-completed crime? What happened during the act is relevant. The story ends at the completion of the facts Is it relevant what happened to the victim after non-completed crime? So, No
Are other people besides criminal and victim relevant? No
Did the criminal abandon his criminal plans: in the stage of planning? In the stage of preparation? During crime? This one, but beware a lurking FA Before seeing the victim? Yes Before attacking the victim? Yes Did the criminal commit other crime instead of the ones he planned? No
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Was it a Jewish inn? did they serve only kosher food? relevant?
Was the criminal a frequent patron of the inn?
Would the theft have taken place in the inn? in the victim's house? would the murder have taken place in the inn? in the victim's house?
Did the theft take place first? if so: did the innkeeper already suspect the criminal?
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Was it a Jewish inn? Probably not. Irrel. did they serve only kosher food? relevant?
Was the criminal a frequent patron of the inn? No, FA
Would the theft have taken place in the inn? in the victim's house? would the murder have taken place in the inn? in the victim's house? The victim lived with his family in the inn
Did the theft take place first? No theft occurred, the criminal act, while attempted, failed if so: did the innkeeper already suspect the criminal? But YES!
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Was the criminal ever employed in the victim's inn? If yes, was he fired? Did he steal from the victim before?
Is method of the planned murder relevant? Did the plan of the criminal require seeing the victim? Directly attacking the victim by the criminal?
Are Easter traditions relevant? Easter food?
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Was the criminal ever employed in the victim's inn? Indeed he was If yes, was he fired? Exactly Did he steal from the victim before? No, and irrel
Is method of the planned murder relevant? No. To cut it short, he just said "Look out for the next Easter, jew... I'll take care of you" Did the plan of the criminal require seeing the victim? Directly attacking the victim by the criminal? The rest are a no. How did the inn-keeper protect himself and what about the conversion?
Are Easter traditions relevant? Easter food?
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BLOOPER ALERT

Are Easter traditions relevant? Yes
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processions? scourging? crucifiction?

easter egg hunts? palm fronds? donkeys? fasting?
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processions? scourging? crucifiction?

easter egg hunts? palm fronds? donkeys? fasting?

None of those. The simplest of all. For all who observe Easter it should first come into mind
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Easter eggs? Easter bunnies? Easter bread? Easter cake? Easter candle? Easter grass?
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Easter eggs? Easter bunnies? Easter bread? Easter cake? Easter candle? This one! Easter grass?
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Did the plan of the criminal fail because of the actions of the victim? Is it relevant why the criminal wanted to commit the crime "next Easter"?
Was the victim's conversion an element of protection?
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Did the plan of the criminal fail because of the actions of the victim? Yes. No to the rest Is it relevant why the criminal wanted to commit the crime "next Easter"?
Was the victim's conversion an element of protection?
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Is it relevant that Easter Candle stays lit during all Easter services? Is ceremonially lit in church during Easter Vigil? Is used in baptism ceremonies? Something else about it is relevant?
Did the victim close the inn for the Easter? Did the victim pay for the Easter Candle and offer it to the church?
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Is it relevant that Easter Candle stays lit during all Easter services? Is ceremonially lit in church during Easter Vigil? Is used in baptism ceremonies? Something else about it is relevant? Noish to all
Did the victim close the inn for the Easter? Unrelevant, it was during the night and closed Did the victim pay for the Easter Candle and offer it to the church? No

Should a recap be in order?
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Yes, please recap.
Did the victim? the criminal? ever have Easter candle in his possession? Is Easter candle relevant by its mere existence?
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Yes, please recap.

Here it goes:
Original statement: A criminal fact was about to take place, but it was avoided with some interesting side-effects. One of those was that a man even changed his religion after that!

Please reconstruct the chain of events

We have already established that we are talking about a conflict between a Jew (owner of an inn) and a Christian (former employee)at the end of 19th century, in a country in Eastern Europe. Because of a conflict (whose nature is unknown) the Christian guy menaced "that on Easter night, he will get even". Due to the actions of the owner, the plan was diverted, and the Jew could -- in a satirical sense -- proclaim his "conversion" to Christianity.

The only thing relevant about the Easter is the candle.

Remaining to establish - how the would-be crime was averted and why this sudden proclamation of conversion?


Did the victim? Yes, probably the criminal? Unknown ever have Easter candle in his possession? Is Easter candle relevant by its mere existence? See the recap above
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Did the Jew say that he was saved by Easter candle? Or by Jesus Christ, as the candle represents ressurected Christ?
Did the Jew use the candle to divert the criminal's plan?
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Did the Jew say that he was saved by Easter candle? Yes, with a little ish Or by Jesus Christ, as the candle represents ressurected Christ? No
Did the Jew use the candle to divert the criminal's plan? Indeed he did. How?
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Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the Jew change anything in the candle? If yes, before it was lit in church?
Did the Jew's action affect anyone besides the criminal? Did the criminal do anything with the candle during the Easter ceremonies?
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Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2013 - 3:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the Jew change anything in the candle? Yope, FA lurking If yes, before it was lit in church? No church was involved
Did the Jew's action affect anyone besides the criminal? No, or maybe himself, after finishing the "job" Did the criminal do anything with the candle during the Easter ceremonies? No, the criminal was there to kill, he didn't have a Easter candle. The Jew, on the other hand...
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Relevant how exactly these candles are supposed to be used? Did he light the candle? blow it out? Move it? Distract the criminal with it? Injure the criminal with it?
Is the candle supposed to stay lit? Was it the only light? Did the Jew say "Too bad I'm a Christian", and blow out the candle against Jewish law/tradition, leaving the murderer to stumble around in the dark?
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Relevant how exactly these candles are supposed to be used? No Did he light the candle? Yes, but a FA is still lurking blow it out? No Move it? Distract the criminal with it? Injure the criminal with it? A big YES
Is the candle supposed to stay lit? Was it the only light? Did the Jew say "Too bad I'm a Christian", and blow out the candle against Jewish law/tradition, leaving the murderer to stumble around in the dark? The rest are a no. However is in the right forest the fact that the Jew managed to avert the crime by using a "candle". We're almost there
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Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the candle lit when the Jew injured the criminal with it? Did the Jew have to become Christian to obtain the candle?
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Was the candle lit when the Jew injured the criminal with it? Yes! Did the Jew have to become Christian to obtain the candle? No
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Did the Jew attack eyes of the Christian? Just hit the Christian with the candle?
Was the candle still lit after Christian had been injured with it?
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 10:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the Jew attack eyes of the Christian? No Just hit the Christian with the candle? No he didn't hit him
Was the candle still lit after Christian had been injured with it? Yes
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 3:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the Jew arrange the trap with a candle? Did he injure particular body part of the Christian? Did he hold the candle in his hands while injuring the Christian?
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Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, heal'd by the same means,
warm'd and cool'd by the same winter and summer
as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us,
do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.
If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility?
Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his
sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge.
The villainy you teach me, I will execute,
and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.
- The Merchant of Venice (Act III, scene I).

Relevant?
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Did the Jew burn the Christian with the candle? Attempt to?

Was the candle already lit when the Jew got a hold of it? Was it lit at all?
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Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 2:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the Jew arrange the trap with a candle? Yes Did he injure particular body part of the Christian? Yes Did he hold the candle in his hands while injuring the Christian? Yes

The Merchant of Venice is not relevant

Did the Jew burn the Christian with the candle? Yes Attempt to?

Was the candle already lit when the Jew got a hold of it? Irrel Was it lit at all? Yes

I think we have enough for the $poiler, which I will put shortly
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Posted on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


******* SPOILER *******

I think that the story has been found out in its entirety, so I'll add only the "conversion" part ...
After successfully defending his life and his home by ruthlessly trapping the would-be killer and slowly burning him to death, he proclaimed -- while walking away, as the townspeople approached, in awe:

"I'm going now to tell the rabbi that I am no Jew anymore, I am Christian, because in this night I lit a candle for Christ!"

Thanks to all who participated.

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