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Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 1:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know I've read this puzzle before, probably either on this site or in one of Mr. Sloane's books, but I cant find it anywhere.

A man lies dead in a room. There is no visible mark on his body, but there are spots of his blood on the walls.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Keep the classics coming - even if some players have seen them before it doesn't mean all of us have...these are the best!

Are any other relevant objects in the room now?
Was any object removed from the room before the man's death? after his death?
Was any other person in the room before the man's death? after his death?
Did the man die quickly? slowly? in pain? peacefully?
Spots of blood low on the wall? eye level? high up on wall? relevant?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 03:15 pm:


Keep the classics coming - even if some players have seen them before it doesn't mean all of us have...these are the best!Cool.

Are any other relevant objects in the room now? No.
Was any object removed from the room before the man's death? No. after his death? no.
Was any other person in the room before the man's death? No. after his death? no.
Did the man die quickly? slowly? This. in pain? Most likely this. peacefully?
Spots of blood low on the wall? eye level? high up on wall? relevant? Irr, could be in all three areas.
Lawrence Jones (A1415925)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How many windows in the room. Doors?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 7:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would his death be classified as suicide? murder? accidental? intentional?
Indirectly caused by someone else?
Directly caused by someone else?
When the man entered the room, was he alive? dead?
Did the man enter the room by his own choice?
Was/were the door(s) in the room locked at the time of the man's death?
Prior to his death, could the man have exited the room under his own power?
Had the man been drugged? shot? stabbed? some other kind of inflicted injury?
Did the man suffer from a medical condition/disease?
Was the man allergic to something relevant? something in the room?
When the man first entered the room, did he know that he would die in that room?
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he sick with a disease? one that causes there to be blood coming out of eyes/mouth
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lawrence Jones (A1415925) on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 06:22 pm:


How many windows in the room. Irr. Doors? One.

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 07:30 pm:


Would his death be classified as suicide? murder?
accidental?This.
intentional?
Indirectly caused by someone else?
Directly caused by someone else?

When the man entered the room, was he alive? Yes. dead?
Did the man enter the room by his own choice? Yes.
Was/were the door(s) in the room locked at the time of the man's death? No.
Prior to his death, could the man have exited the room under his own power? Before he started dying, yes.
Had the man been drugged? shot? stabbed? some other kind of inflicted injury? None of these.
Did the man suffer from a medical condition/diseaseThis, briefly.?
Was the man allergic to something relevant?No. something in the room?
When the man first entered the room, did he know that he would die in that room? No.

By Drew Sollenberger (Sollen) on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 08:26 pm:


was he sick with a disease? That is what he died of, yes. one that causes there to be blood coming out of eyes/mouth? No.
Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the blood HIS?
Did it come from his nose?
Was anyone else in the room at the time of his death?
Did he have a heart attack from something he saw?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks) on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:14 pm:


Is the blood HIS? Yes.
Did it come from his nose? no.
Was anyone else in the room at the time of his death? No.
Did he have a heart attack from something he saw? No.
Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmmm................

Did he has diabetes?
Tuberculosis?
Sickle Cell Anemia?
Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did something in the room trigger the attack (as in the illness starting up)?
Was he wearing clothes (just had to ask)?
Was he bleeding from his head from the scalp where no one could see the bruise?
There were spots on the walls? Not smears?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks) on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:30 pm:


Hmmmm................

Did he has diabetes?
Tuberculosis?
Sickle Cell Anemia? none of these.

By Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks) on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:34 pm:


Did something in the room trigger the attack (as in the illness starting up)? If I understand you right, yes.
Was he wearing clothes (just had to ask)? Irrelevent actually. :)
Was he bleeding from his head from the scalp where no one could see the bruise? No.
There were spots on the walls? Not smears? Could have been smears, just small areas of blood.
Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks)
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 4:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he cut himself (whether visible or not)?
Is this a disease that can be cured?
Did he smear or spot this wall up with blood on purpose or was he aware he was doing it?
Was he sliding down the wall passing out or dying as he was marking it up?
Did he know he was bleeding before the blood got on the wall?
Was the blood he was bleeding a direct result from his disease?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks) on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 04:09 am:


Did he cut himself (whether visible or not)? No.
Is this a disease that can be cured? Possibly. It could be a couple of diseases.
Did he smear or spot this wall up with blood on purpose or was he aware he was doing it? Probably aware, yes.
Was he sliding down the wall passing out or dying as he was marking it up? No.
Did he know he was bleeding before the blood got on the wall? No.
Was the blood he was bleeding a direct result from his disease? No.
Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks)
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the blood get on the wall before he fell to the ground (just checkin')?
Umm...okay, so it definitely was a disease that caused his death?
But he was bleeding for a reason other than his disease?
Where there any other objects in the room (if that's relevant)?
Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks)
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the type of room he was in relevant?
Did he damage himself at all (as in he did something to directly harm himself and cause the bleeding)?
Was it suicide?
Was it murder?
Was it accidental?
Does the position he was found in on the floor matter?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 5:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the blood even come out of a bodily orifice? Ear? Urethra? Anus?
Did the blood on the wall come directly from... his body? a container? Perhaps a vial?
Was he studying his own blood, trying to figure out what was wrong with him, when he had a final attack and died? Did his final death throws/spasms send the blood flying into the wall?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 1:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks) on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 10:41 pm:


Did the blood get on the wall before he fell to the ground (just checkin')? FA, but I get what you're saying and yes.
Umm...okay, so it definitely was a disease that caused his death? Yep.
But he was bleeding for a reason other than his disease? Yes, almost an FA.
Where there any other objects in the room (if that's relevant)? Irrelevent.

By Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks) on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 10:42 pm:


Was the type of room he was in relevant? Yes, it could help you.
Did he damage himself at all (as in he did something to directly harm himself and cause the bleeding)? No.
Was it suicide? No.
Was it murder? No.
Was it accidental? Yes.
Does the position he was found in on the floor matter? FA, but no.

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 05:24 am:


Did the blood even come out of a bodily orifice? No. Ear? Urethra? Anus?
Did the blood on the wall come directly from... his body? a container? Perhaps a vial? Directly from none of these, but originally from his body.
Was he studying his own blood, trying to figure out what was wrong with him, when he had a final attack and died? No. Did his final death throws/spasms send the blood flying into the wall? No, but that's a good one.
Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks)
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he have a needle?
Did he have blood taken from him by it?
Was this a disease like alcoholism or is it one like T.B. where it's internal?
What is FA ^^; ?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 6:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he have asthma? Was he allergic to something?

And Veggie, FA means False Assumption i.e. you might have assumed something while asking the question that is not necessarily true
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 6:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had this blood been extracted for testing?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 10:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Veggie, the other thing about FAs is that it often pays to find out what the FA is by taking apart the question that got that answer.
For example:

The false assumption: is it that he's lying on the floor of the room? that he fell to the floor?

If so, is he seated in a chair? slumped over a desk? or a table? or a workbench? lying on a couch? on a bed? on some other piece of furniture? seated on the floor, leaning against a wall? hanging from something?

Are there any relevant pieces of machinery or mechanisms in the room? Are there any other relevant things in the room besides the man's body and the blood spots?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 4:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he at home?
Is he in an ordinary room in a house?
If so... Bedroom? Kitchen? Dining room? Family room? Den? Garage? Other?
Is he in an industrial complex?
Is he inside a laboratory?
Is he at work?
Is he in a hospital?

Was the blood on the wall directly from a pouch (like the ones used for collecting donated blood)? A piece of equipment? A utensil? A tool? A spork? A fly? A mosquito?

Did he die of malaria? But not before killing the insect/insects that gave him the disease?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Veggie-Trunks (Veggie_Trunks) on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 05:44 pm:


Did he have a needle? No.
Did he have blood taken from him by it? No.
Was this a disease like alcoholism or is it one like T.B. where it's internal? Internal.
What is FA ^^; ? Oh right. :) It means False Assumption; that it's hard to answer the question because you've assumed something that doesn't apply to the situation.

By Arjun (Jun) on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 06:04 pm:


Did he have asthma? No. Was he allergic to something? no.

And Veggie, FA means False Assumption i.e. you might have assumed something while asking the question that is not necessarily true Yeah, that.

By David Burn (Woubit) on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 06:16 pm:


Had this blood been extracted for testing? No.

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 10:40 pm:


Veggie, the other thing about FAs is that it often pays to find out what the FA is by taking apart the question that got that answer. Yeah, that too.
For example:
The false assumption: is it that he's lying on the floor of the room? Yes. that he fell to the floor? That too.

If so, is he seated in a chair? slumped over a desk? or a table? or a workbench? lying on a couch? Could be this, but more likely...on a bed? This. on some other piece of furniture? seated on the floor, leaning against a wall? hanging from something?

Are there any relevant pieces of machinery or mechanisms in the room? No. Are there any other relevant things in the room besides the man's body and the blood spots? Noish.

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 04:04 am:


Is he at home? Noish.
Is he in an ordinary room in a house? Noish.
If so... Bedroom? Kitchen? Dining room? Family room? Den? Garage? Other?
Is he in an industrial complex?
Is he inside a laboratory?
Is he at work? Yes, no to rest.
Is he in a hospital?

Was the blood on the wall directly from a pouch (like the ones used for collecting donated blood)? A piece of equipment? A utensil? A tool? A spork? A fly? A mosquito? This.

Did he die of malaria? Yes.But not before killing the insect/insects that gave him the disease? Yes!

********SPOILER*******
Good job Lisa, and everyone else. That was fast.

Dr. Gunther goes to Africa to syudy the chimps, and lives in a small hut off in the wilderness. His only annoyance are all these mosquitos, which he smashes against the wall but not before they've collected blood from him. Too late he realizes he has caught malaria from them (or something similar), and is too isolated to go for help.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Super puzzle!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It may be a classic, but it's very much a fun one!
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A true lateral puzzles classic - but why didn't the good doctor take a supply of quinine with him?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 5:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For the same reason that midgets don't carry tape measures.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He did, in fact. The jar of quinine was stolen by a rogue albatross and dropped in the desert, where it struck a man on the head and killed him. The albatross was later found dead in a room in a puddle of water with the window open. The jar of quinine was found at the top of a tree with scuba gear on.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I feel very sorry for the unfortunate doctor. Fate is indeed a fickle mistress. Who would've thought that a rogue albatross, of all things, be the cause of one's demise?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The jar of quinine was stolen by a rogue albatross and dropped in the desert, where it struck a man on the head and killed him. The albatross was later found dead in a room in a puddle of water with the window open. The jar of quinine was found at the top of a tree with scuba gear on.

Dammit! You just spoiled the plot of my next puzzle!
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 6:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good puzzle! Too bad it was spoiled before I spotted it.

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