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Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 4:14 am: |       |
By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 03:31 am:
Angel of Death? no, but good try. |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 4:24 am: | |
Recap: The boy pleaded for help because a supernatural being who was addressing the boy began to threaten the boy. Why he (he being the supernatural being) threatened the boy is helpful to find out. That he symbolizes death but not so much as you would think. Remember this figure comes from literature but sparingly. |
Fred Z (Dref)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 4:36 am: | |
Is the figure used by various authors? or was it just one in particular?
Was it the boys "time to go?"
Is this a Sins of the Fathers type deal?
Was the boy in his way?
Is the being Satan? a devil/demon? |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 4:47 am: | |
By Fred Z (Dref) on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 04:36 am:
Is the figure used by various authors? yes.or was it just one in particular?
Was it the boys "time to go?" no.
Is this a Sins of the Fathers type deal? no.
Was the boy in his way? no.
Is the being Satan?no a devil/demon?no but keeping guessing all the supernatural things you can forget it being violent.For example a faery. |
Fred Z (Dref)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 1:57 am: | |
Does this occur before the 18th century? after? during?
Was the figure riding anything? did it fly? walk?
Did the boy commit some sin?
Was the figure's "territory" invaded?
Does it only come out at certain times of day?
Was it a Banshee? |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 1:07 pm: | |
By Fred Z (Dref) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 01:57 am:
Does this occur before the 18th century? after? during? you don't need a date.
Was the figure riding anything? did it fly? walk? this one.
Did the boy commit some sin? no.
Was the figure's "territory" invaded? no.
Does it only come out at certain times of day? I don't think so any part of the day is fair game.
Was it a Banshee? no.
Hint: It shows up in German literature. |
Fred Z (Dref)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 8:48 pm: | |
Was the figure connected at all with the boy? or was this just a random encounter? |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 8:55 pm: | |
By Fred Z (Dref) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 08:48 pm:
Was the figure connected at all with the boy? or was this just a random encounter? this one. |
Fred Z (Dref)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 9:01 pm: | |
Does this figure "live" in the area? |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 9:29 pm: | |
By Fred Z (Dref) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 09:01 pm:
Does this figure "live" in the area? not rel. but he lives in the woods. He can be anywhere. |
Fred Z (Dref)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:10 pm: | |
Is he the boogeyman? or a boogeyman type character?
Poltergeists relevant? |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:16 pm: | |
By Fred Z (Dref) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:10 pm:
Is he the boogeyman?no. or a boogeyman type character? yesish.
Poltergeists relevant?no. |
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:02 pm: | |
The Sandman? |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:18 pm: | |
By Jens Weber (Sundowner) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:02 pm:
The Sandman? no. |
miroac (Miroac)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 12:56 am: | |
Goethe? Faust? Erlkonig? |
David Burn (Woubit)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 1:07 am: | |
Nunc dimittis  |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 1:48 am: | |
By miroac (Miroac) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 12:56 am:
Goethe? Faust? Erlkonig?congratulations!!! Will put the spoiler up soon. |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 1:58 am: | |
very true Woubit. Congrats to Alizon, Woubit, Miroac and Fred Z! |
David Burn (Woubit)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:18 am: | |
Was that the spioler?
I confess to a proprietary interest in this puzzle.
When it first appeared, I emailed Rose to ask whether it related to Goethe's "Der Erlkõnig (The Elf-King).
On being told that it did, I sat in the cheap seats. Then, without thinking, I posted a puzzle about ghosts driving on Austrian motorways, whose title was "Wer reitet so spãt durch Nacht und Wind?" - which is, of course, the first line of "Der Erlkõnig".
I was horrified when I realised what I had done, since I thought Rose would sue me for billions of pounds for having given away his solution.
Not a bit of it - the puzzles existed side by side for some weeks, without anyone's knowing that the title of one was the answer to the other. Maybe, in years to come, someone will make a puzzle out of that |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:43 am: | |
no that wasn't the spoiler it still will be coming. I just wanted to congragulate the people who got the puzzle.I know wasn't that great I thought for sure someone was going to get it too. But then no one did and I breathed easy. At first I was a little mad at first but then I thought it was incredibly funny. |
Fred Z (Dref)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 4:16 am: | |
Unfortunately, as regards to what "Erlkonig" is I am sadly ignorant.  |
miroac (Miroac)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 5:20 am: | |
I'd heard it before, somewhere, but I couldn't think of the name until I google'd it. I think I'd read something about it in college once. |
Rose (Tackybritish)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 7:14 pm: | |
******** Spoiler*******
SCHUBERT'S "ERLKONIG"
I knew I wanted to do something about the Erlkonig from reading Goethe and then I came across this and this is what I made my puzzle from. It's called an Art Song I heard it sung once in German.
KING OF THE ELVES
Narrator
Who rides so late through the night
and the wind?
It is the father with his child.
He holds the boy in his arm, grasps
him securely, keeps him warm.
Father
"My son, why do you hide your face
so anxiously?"
Son
"Father, do you not see the Elf-King?
The Elf-King with his crown and train?"
Father
"My son, it is only a streak of mist."
Elf King
"Darling child, come away with me!
I will play fine games with you.
Many gay flowers grow by the shore:
my mother has many golden robes."
Son
"Father, father, do you not hear
what the Elf-King softly promises me?
Father
"Be calm, dear child, be calm--
The wind is rustling in the dry leaves."
Elf King
"You beautiful boy, will you come
with me?
My daughters will wait upon you.
My daughters will lead the nightly round,
they will rock you, dance to you, sing
you to sleep."
Son
"Father, father, do you not see
the Elf-King's daughters there, in
that dark place?"
Father
My son, my son, I see it clearly:
it is the grey gleam of the old willow-trees."
Elf King
"I love you, your beauty allures me,
and if you do not come willingly, I shall use force."
Son
"Father, father, now he is seizing me!
The Elf-King has hurt me!"—
Narrator
Fear grips the father, he rides swiftly,
holding the moaning child in his arms;
with effort and toil he reaches the
house--the child in his arms was dead. |
David Burn (Woubit)
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 11:16 pm: | |
And, just to demonstrate exactly how good a poet Goethe was, here is one of the most beautiful poems ever written, in one of the least poetic langauges on Earth
Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind?
Es ist der Vater mit seinem Kind.
Er hat den Knaben wohl in dem Arm,
Er faßt ihn sicher, er hält ihn warm.
"Mein Sohn, was birgst du so bang dein Gesicht?"
"Siehst, Vater, du den Erlkönig nicht?"
Den Erlenkönig mit Kron und Schweif?"
"Mein Sohn, es ist ein Nebelstreif."
"Du liebes Kind, komm, geh mit mir!
Gar schöne Spiele spiel ich mit dir;
Manch bunte Blumen sind an dem Strand,
Meine Mutter hat manch gülden Gewand."
"Mein Vater, mein Vater, und hörest du nicht,
Was Erlenkönig mir leise verspricht?"
"Sei ruhig, bleibe ruhig, mein Kind;
In dürren Blättern säuselt der Wind."
"Willst, feiner Knabe, du mit mir gehn?
Meine Töchter sollen dich warten schön;
Meine Töchter führen den nächtlichen Reihn
Und wiegen und tanzen und singen dich ein."
"Mein Vater, mein Vater, und siehst du nicht dort
Erlkönigs Töchter am düstern Ort?"
"Mein Sohn, mein Sohn, ich seh' es genau:
Es scheinen die alten Weiden so grau."
"Ich lieb' dich, mich reizt deine schöne Gestalt;
Und bist du nicht willig, so brauch ich Gewalt."
"Mein Vater, mein Vater, jetzt faßt er mich an!
Erlkönig hat mir ein Leids getan!"
Dem Vater grauset's, er reitet geschwind,
Er hält in den Armen das ächzende Kind,
Erreicht den Hof mit Mühe und Not -
In seinen Armen, das Kind war tot. |
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