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Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 10:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the first object of this kind that ever occured when they started counting? or had they been in the world before, but at some day they decided to start counting them?
Does the incerasing number mean that more and more of such objects come into being? do some of them disappear again?
Is the average number per year of new objects of this kind: less than 5? less than 10? less than 50? less than 100?
Is there a relevant reason why they stopped counting particularly at 997? Anything to do with avoiding to reach 1000? if so: for technical limitations? (like a three-digit display) or because people started betting on the 1000th object?
Was the count at any time displayed to a larger number of people? did it provide a helpful information?
Were they legally required to stop counting, or to publish the count? maybe because this was considered invading someone's privacy?
A sudden idea: vertical movements relevant?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jens Weber (Sundowner) on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 10:59 am:


Was it the first object of this kind that ever occured when they started counting? or had they been in the world before, but at some day they decided to start counting them? They started counting from the beginning
Does the incerasing number mean that more and more of such objects come into being? FA, they are not counting objects that come into being do some of them disappear again? The count cannot decrease, if that is what you mean
Is the average number per year of new objects of this kind: less than 5? less than 10? Could have been this less than 50? But mostly this less than 100?
Is there a relevant reason why they stopped counting particularly at 997? YES! That's a part of the puzzle! Anything to do with avoiding to reach 1000? Yes! if so: for technical limitations? (like a three-digit display) No or because people started betting on the 1000th object Not exactly, but very close ?
Was the count at any time displayed to a larger number of people? Yes, it was did it provide a helpful information? Not exactly useful, but something worth knowing
Were they legally required to stop counting, or to publish the count? No maybe because this was considered invading someone's privacy? No
A sudden idea: vertical movements relevant? YES!
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 6:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Then, the right bell was ringing this time, and I will stay aside and watch. ;)
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jens Weber (Sundowner) on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 06:03 pm:


Then, the right bell was ringing this time, and I will stay aside and watch. ;)
Yup, I think you have it. Thanks for not sp*iling! I'll keep it running to see if anyone else wants to try.
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 6:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, I think I heard the same bell. I'll keep watch if my assumption is incorrect.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't hear no bells...

Where the "things" that were counted manmade?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 1:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 11:42 pm:

Where the "things" that were counted manmade? Man'made'..well...you'll see why it it's very difficult to answer that one
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are those "things" tangible objects? concepts or ideas? events?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 1:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Years?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 5:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 12:22 pm:


Are those "things" tangible objects? As I said, what they were counting was not exactly this, but...read on concepts or ideas? events? This one!

By Alizon (Alizon) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 01:34 pm:


Years? Nope
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 6:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is technology required for those events to happen? for us to percieve these events?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 7:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 06:57 pm:


Is technology required for those events to happen? No for us to percieve these events? No. These are pretty simple events (!) involving people...
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is sport involved?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 10:59 pm:


Is sport involved? Nope. I'm afraid no one can indulge in such 'events' more than once in a lifetime; unless they get very unlucky...
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would this be considered a record?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:05 pm:


Would this be considered a record? Probably not; that line of thinking might not help.
I think you had the right idea when you correlated vertical motion to sport. This is only more serious.

Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Human powered vertical motion? Jumping? or vehicles involved?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:16 pm:


Human powered vertical motion? Jumping? Yes or vehicles involved? No vehicles invloved
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gender relevant?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:36 pm:


Gender relevant? No. HINT
It is a 4 second vertical jump to...!
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they jumping up or down (off something)?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Suicides off a particular bridge?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And they stopped counting so that people wouldn't be encouraged to be follow suit?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:58 pm:


Are they jumping up or down (off something)? Yes, see below

By Lynne (Lynne) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:59 pm:


Suicides off a particular bridge? Indeed :) The bridge in question is in fact the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. Now then, not too far to go...
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

see 12.01
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:01 am:


And they stopped counting so that people wouldn't be encouraged to be follow suit? Indeed, with just a tiny bit to add. Sp*iler coming up soon...
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Or that people would place bets on people who would join the numbers?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:10 am:


Or that people would place bets on people who would join the numbers? No, not exactly. Why at 997 (just before 1000?)
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Superstition about the figure 1000? Coinciding with the millennium?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:25 am:


Superstition about the figure 1000? NoCoinciding with the millennium? No. There was a logical reason...
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they feel that being the thousandth to jump would make them more special in history's eyes? More publicity?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:33 am:


Did they feel that being the thousandth to jump would make them more special in history's eyes? More publicity? That's definitely good enough. Well done Lynne!

******************SPOILER*********************
Committing suicides by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge has been common and almost a moment to cherish. When the number of suicides, as announced by the California highway patrol was nearing 1000, there was a mad scramble to see who would be the 1000th person. So much so that a disc jockey offered a case of Snapple (and hence the title) to the victim's family. The California patrol obviously didn't like the idea very much thinking it would lead to a spate of jumpers off the bridge, and hence stopped counting.

The total number of deaths is now suspected to be around 1300 (or more).

Thanks to all for playing. Well done Lynne, Jens, miroac and all those who played.
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Clifton Suspension Bridge near Bristol is the England's sad counterpart

thanks Jun
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 5:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I did a search for stopped counting 997 and discovered the answer early on. Kind of ruined the puzzle for me. I won't do the search next time.

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