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Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 8:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A woman and her daughter go to Europe for vacation. They check in at the hotel, register, and then go into separate rooms to sleep. The mother sleeps late, and when she wakes she goes to her daughter's room to wake her up. She knocks, and nobody answers. She turns the knob and to her surprise it is unlocked. She goes inside and finds nobody. She notices the room is very clean though. She goes downstairs, glances at the registry, and to her shock her daughter's name is nowhere to be seen! When she asks the clerk about her daughter, the clerk says she (the mother) did not come in with any other person!

What happened to her daughter?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Shawn - welcome to the forum. This sounds intriguing....

Is this a situation that could happen in real life?
Did they actually register together?
Is the location relevant? Gender relevant? Could this happen to father and son? Mother and son? Father and daughter?
Is the time of day relevant? The fact that the mother slept late?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a situation that could happen in real life? yes
Did they actually register together? yes
Is the location relevant? yes... Gender relevant? I don't believe so! Could this happen to father and son? Mother and son? Father and daughter? Yes to these...
Is the time of day relevant? Not really The fact that the mother slept late? Noish

WHADDUP DAWG?!
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could this happen to any two people related or not?
Is the daughter alive? Did she sleep in the room? Was her name ever in the register?

Did they have to show their passports when they booked in? Did they leave them with reception? Are they still available?

Has the reception clerk been deceptive?
Is there a conspiracy going on?
Is the mother mistaken?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 12:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Location relevant - hmm

Is the relevance due to the country? The city or town or village? The terrain of the country? Was it mountainous? Lakeside? City centre? Transylvania?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could this happen to any two people related or not? Yes
Is the daughter alive? no Did she sleep in the room? possibly Was her name ever in the register? yes

Did they have to show their passports when they booked in? irrelevant Did they leave them with reception? irrelevant Are they still available? irrelevant

Has the reception clerk been deceptive? Yes
Is there a conspiracy going on? Yes
Is the mother mistaken? No

Location relevant - hmm

Is the relevance due to the country? The city or town or village? The terrain of the country? Was it mountainous? Lakeside? City centre? Transylvania? Not quite anything exactly like this...
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it a mistake that the mother remembered the daughter?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 9:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it a mistake that the mother remembered the daughter? Umm... I don't think so
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 9:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the way, the subject of this puzzle was supposed to be this:
[Doctapeppa] Where's My Daughter?

Why not ask a friendly mod in the chatroom? ... Oh, too late...
Feenwelt
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are both mother and daughter humans?
Did someone murder the daughter? was it a planned murder? unintentional killing?
Was the daughter abducted?
Was the daughter mistaken for someone else?
Would someone have financial benefit from the daughter being dead? the clerk?
Did the mother in any way have something to do with the death of her daughter? did the clerk?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are both mother and daughter humans? yes
Did someone murder the daughter? was it a planned murder? No unintentional killing? No
Was the daughter abducted? no
Was the daughter mistaken for someone else? no
Would someone have financial benefit from the daughter being dead? Very much no! the clerk?NO NOT AT ALL
Did the mother in any way have something to do with the death of her daughter? did the clerk? The answer to these is simply no, it seems
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This was not a murder. "They" did not want the daughter to die.
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 1:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the hotel hope to cover up the daughter's death? To avoid culpability?
Just to be sure - was the daughter alive when the two checked in? Did just one night elapse between the two checking in and the mother waking to find her daughter gone?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 5:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did this happen in The UK? France? Germany? Spain? Holland? Scandinavia?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the hotel hope to cover up the daughter's death? yes To avoid culpability? YES! You are definitely OTRT!
Just to be sure - was the daughter alive when the two checked in? Yes Did just one night elapse between the two checking in and the mother waking to find her daughter gone? yes


Did this happen in The UK? France? Germany? Spain? Holland? Scandinavia? I don't know where this happened... I changed my mind, the location is not relevant.
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the daughter sleepwalk? by any other means leave her bed during night?
Was the daughter's death caused by an accident? suicide?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 3:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the daughter sleepwalk? by any other means leave her bed during night? It doesn't matter, or irrelevant
Was the daughter's death caused by an accident? Strictly speaking, no suicide? No
manoj rane (Manojrane)
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 5:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

mistaken identity? Daughter ever entered wrong room by mistake?
"they" mistaken daughter as the person to be assassinated?
Daughter planned mother's assassination with help of hotel clerk, but got herself killed and hotel had no choice but to 'vanish' the daughter?
manoj rane (Manojrane)
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 5:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did daughter die due to heart attach/fail etc?
did she die in the hotel room?
did she die in presence of somebody?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 7:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

mistaken identity? no Daughter ever entered wrong room by mistake? no
"they" mistaken daughter as the person to be assassinated? no, she was assassinated either
Daughter planned mother's assassination with help of hotel clerk, but got herself killed and hotel had no choice but to 'vanish' the daughter? no

did daughter die due to heart attach/fail etc? umm...no...
did she die in the hotel room? Yes
did she die in presence of somebody? I don't think so... I'll say no, or irrelevant
manoj rane (Manojrane)
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 9:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did daughter die due to negligence of the hotel staff? Electric shock etc while switching on electric equipment fan/bulb/AC etc?
Did daughter die due to any poison?
Was the same clerk present at the time of registration?
Is it that mother thinks person is only clerk but in reality somebody else, say owner of the hotel?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 5:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did daughter die due to negligence of the hotel staff? I don't know, I guess it is possible Electric shock etc while switching on electric equipment fan/bulb/AC etc? no
Did daughter die due to any poison? err.. no
Was the same clerk present at the time of registration?yes
Is it that mother thinks person is only clerk but in reality somebody else, say owner of the hotel? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any urban legends involved (e. g. kidney harvesting)?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 2:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any urban legends involved (e. g. kidney harvesting)? no
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 2:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She was not assassinated
manoj rane (Manojrane)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 9:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there any previous occurrence/story/rumor/gossip of somebody's death in hotel?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 1:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there any previous occurrence/story/rumor/gossip of somebody's death in hotel? Uhm? How should I know?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the daughter get sick?

if yes, I'll have to withdraw, since I think I know this one....I'd have thought it was a classic!
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 1:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the daughter get sick? Sure
if yes, I'll have to withdraw, since I think I know this one....I'd have thought it was a classic! Then maybe you should start answering the questions... these questions are rather difficult, as I don't know very much about this.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 4:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the daughter some contagious disease?
Arjun Rangarajan (Jun)
Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the daughter have a pre-existing condition when she entered the hotel? Would anyone in her position have died?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 6:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the daughter some contagious disease? It would be able to be spread if the bacterium was spread
Did the daughter have a pre-existing condition when she entered the hotel?er... no Would anyone in her position have died? If they got the bacterium in their body and it messed them up

Here's a hint:
"Ring around the rosie
A pocket full of posies
Ashes, ashes
We all fall down"
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 2:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

WARNING: potential solution, don't click on the link if you want to keep working the puzzle: Rosie
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 4:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

WARNING: potential solution, don't click on the link if you want to keep working the puzzle That's pretty much the answer. So, if nobody asks questions in the next 24 hours, I will post the $POILER.
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 2:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***SPOILER***
The daughter got the bubonic plague, died, and when the morning maid came in her room in the morning she noticed that she had died of the bubonic plague. Hotel faculty took her body, and burned it. The maid tidied up her room. The hotel pretended there never had been any daughter because if it was discovered that there was bubonic plague germs in the hotel, they would have to shut down.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd heard that one before in the form of a scary story before, but never a puzzle. Good one.

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