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Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 3:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some inconsistency between the two songs' lyrics? no
Evariste Galois (Galois)
Posted on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it your decision to listen to these operettas in this sequence? if so: for matter of convenience (like: they were in this sequence on the CD, or the respective CDs were in this sequence in the rack)? or for some other reason?
Did you listen to the operettas from CD at all? if so: some information on the CD label or booklet relevant?
Is it relevant that Pinafore was qualified as "infernal nonsense"? Did you know this reference before you heard the operetta? Did you know before that Pinafore was composed before Penzance?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it your decision to listen to these operettas in this sequence? irrelevant if so: for matter of convenience (like: they were in this sequence on the CD, or the respective CDs were in this sequence in the rack)? or for some other reason?
Did you listen to the operettas from CD at all? irrelevant (but no - they were on cassette tapes) if so: some information on the CD label or booklet relevant? no
Is it relevant that Pinafore was qualified as "infernal nonsense"? yes Did you know this reference before you heard the operetta? please rephrase Did you know before that Pinafore was composed before Penzance? irrelevant
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 12:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had Gilbert chosen, for example, "obnoxious" instead of "infernal" (as he might have done, for a number of his lyrics seem to involve drenching the front three rows of the audience in saliva) would this still be a puzzle?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 2:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had Gilbert chosen, for example, "obnoxious" instead of "infernal" (as he might have done, for a number of his lyrics seem to involve drenching the front three rows of the audience in saliva) would this still be a puzzle? yes, but it would not be the same puzzle
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something about hell?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something about hell? no
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have forgotten what is going on here, as usual. When you say that something puzzling happened, do you mean that you were puzzled? or that something happened about which you could make a puzzle?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 4:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have forgotten what is going on here, as usual. I would offer a recap, but I think it would be pretty much the same as the last recap. When you say that something puzzling happened, do you mean that you were puzzled? or that something happened about which you could make a puzzle? this, mostly, but I was a little bit puzzled at the time
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the source of your puzzlement simply to do with the fact that the Major-General knew Pinafore? that he thought it was nonsense? that he thought it was infernal nonsense?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the source of your puzzlement simply to do with the fact that the Major-General knew Pinafore? that he thought it was nonsense? that he thought it was infernal nonsense? The character of the Major-General is not relevant. All that matters is that it is stated that Pinafore is infernal nonsense.

Refocus/hint: It is important that there were two of us in the car listening to these. And they were my cassette tapes that we were listening to.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you know what tapes you were putting in the player?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you know what tapes you were putting in the player? yes
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And, for I have forgotten what was going on, Pinafore came directly after Penzance?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And, for I have forgotten what was going on, Pinafore came directly after Penzance? not necessarily directly - I think we listened to one or two CDs in between. But this does not matter.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it necessary to know anything of the content of Pinafore to make progress? Anything about it at all?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it necessary to know anything of the content of Pinafore to make progress? yes Anything about it at all? and therefore yes
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there something in Pinafore that contradicts the notion that it is infernal? or that it is nonsense? (I probably ought to know this, but I am commentating on a Polish tournament at the moment, so I am more than usually confused :()
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there something in Pinafore that contradicts the notion that it is infernal? or that it is nonsense? not that I know of, but...
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would this puzzle work if Penzance and Pinafore were not both operettas about sailors? If Gilbert had chosen "that infernal nonsense Ruddigore", and you had played Ruddigore next (for svv of "next") would the puzzle still work?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would this puzzle work if Penzance and Pinafore were not both operettas about sailors? yes If Gilbert had chosen "that infernal nonsense Ruddigore", and you had played Ruddigore next (for svv of "next") would the puzzle still work? no
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it necessary to identify a particular component of Pinafore to make progress?