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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because Jonathan ate less than usual one day, I had a particularly good meal, although I didn't eat any food or spend any money that otherwise would have gone to Jonathan. How come????
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this Jonathan a human being?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because the person(s) who normally prepare Jonathan's meals were alarmed at the change in his eating habits and so began using extra care and extra fine ingredients when preparing meals?

Is Jonathan a food critic?

Were you asked to sample the same dish to see if there was anything wrong with it?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By David Burn (Woubit) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:27 pm:


Is this Jonathan a human being?yes

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:45 pm:


Because the person(s) who normally prepare Jonathan's meals were alarmed at the change in
his eating habits and so began using extra care and extra fine ingredients when preparing
meals? no

Is Jonathan a food critic? no

Were you asked to sample the same dish to see if there was anything wrong with it? no
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Jonathan a baby? child? adult?
Related to you?
Your son? your brother? your father?
Some other connection?
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Particularly good meal"- Does this mean it was good in quality? quantity? Both?

Was the food prepared by someone else? If so, in a restaurant?

Are there other relevant people? If so how many?
Any relevant non-human animals?

Did you have the good meal the same day Jonathon ate less? Within days? Weeks? Months? (etc)
Do you know Jonathon personally?
Jonathon's age- 0-9, 10-19, 20-29, 30-49, 50+?

Anything relevant about Jonathon-
The reason why he ate less that day?
The type of food he ate less of?
Age? Occupation? Relationships? Race?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 09:21 pm:


Is Jonathan a baby? no child? no adult? yes
Related to you? no
Your son? your brother? your father?
Some other connection?

By Damien Sullivan (Docd) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 09:35 pm:


"Particularly good meal"- Does this mean it was good in quality? yes quantity? yes Both? yes

Was the food prepared by someone else? yes If so, in a restaurant? yes

Are there other relevant people? yes If so how many? not a specific number
Any relevant non-human animals? no

Did you have the good meal the same day Jonathon ate less? yes Within days? Weeks? Months?
(etc)
Do you know Jonathon personally? yes
Jonathon's age- 0-9, 10-19, 20-29, yes 30-49, 50+?

Anything relevant about Jonathon-
The reason why he ate less that day? yes
The type of food he ate less of? no
Age? no Occupation? no Relationships? no Race? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOOOPERRRR ALERRRRRTTTTTTT!!!!
Anything relevant about Jonathon-
The reason why he ate less that day? yes
The type of food he ate less of? no the answer should be yope
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were you dining with J at the time?
Is he a co-worker of yours? Friend? Relevant?

The other relevant people:
Food preparers?
Food servers?
Other restaurant employees?
The restaurant's food suppliers?
Other diners? (other than J)
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he usually patronize the resturant you ate in? If so, did he eat there on the day in question?
Relevant what type of food it was that he ate less of (fruit, meat, etc.)? What course it was served? Did you eat the same food that he ate less of?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damien Sullivan (Docd) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 09:54 pm:


Were you dining with J at the time? no
Is he a co-worker of yours? yope Friend? no Relevant? no

The other relevant people:
Food preparers? no
Food servers? no
Other restaurant employees? no
The restaurant's food suppliers? no
Other diners? (other than J) no

By Eliot (Eliot) on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 09:58 pm:


Did he usually patronize the resturant you ate in? irrel If so, did he eat there on the day in
question? no
Relevant what type of food it was that he ate less of (fruit, meat, etc.)? yes What course it was
served?false asumption Did you eat the same food that he ate less of? no
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 12:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason/s J ate less that day:

Dieting?
Fasting for some reason? (religious, charity fundraiser,etc)
Unwell?
Not hungry?
Not enough money?
No or reduced access to food?
Provided with smaller portions than usual?
In order to engineer a situation where you &/or others ate better?
No particular reason?
Other?

Did he want to eat less?
Did he know he was eating less?
Did he know you would eat better?
Did anyone else eat better?

When you say "ate less than usual", do you mean less than usual for Jonathon?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 1:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Damien Sullivan (Docd) on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 12:36 am:


The reason/s J ate less that day:

Dieting? no
Fasting for some reason? yes (religious, no charity fundraiser yes. GOOOOD QUESTION!!!!,etc)
Unwell? no
Not hungry? no
Not enough money no?
No or reduced access to food? no
Provided with smaller portions than usual? no
In order to engineer a situation where you &/or others ate better? yope
No particular reason? no
Other? no

Did he want to eat less? yope
Did he know he was eating less? yes
Did he know you would eat better? yes
Did anyone else eat better? I don't know

When you say "ate less than usual", do you mean less than usual for Jonathon? yes
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 10:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you sponsor J in this fundraiser?
Did you join in (choosing to do the fast another day)?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have heard of meals where most are given poor food and a few are given a lavish meal to illusrate the difference between 'first' and 'third' world countries... is this relevant here?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 6:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you sponsor J in this fundraiser? no
Did you join in (choosing to do the fast another day)? no

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 07:20 pm:


I have heard of meals where most are given poor food and a few are given a lavish meal to
illusrate the difference between 'first' and 'third' world countries... is this relevant here? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have you eaten in that restaurant before? Would you have eaten there at the time if Jonothan hadn't been participating in the fund raiser?

Prices at the restaurant relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 07:55 pm:


Have you eaten in that restaurant before? irrel Would you have eaten there at the time if
Jonotha non hadn't been participating in the fund raiser?

Prices at the restaurant relevant? yes
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it an expensive restaurant? Did you have to pay for your meal?

Is Jonathan your superior (work-wise, I mean)?

Did he pay for your meal? Or invite you to the fund raiser?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:03 pm:


Is it an expensive restaurant? yes Did you have to pay for your meal yes

Is Jonathan your superior (work-wise, I mean)? no but irrel

Did he pay for your meal? no Or invite you to the fund raiser noish
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were you present when Jonathan ate less than usual? Did he eat less at the same good meal you had? Was the restaurant involved with the fund-raiser?

Was his eating less in the nature of a motivation for you? Did it make you aware of some benefit to be had by eating at the restaurant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 5:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 05:07 pm:


Were you present when Jonathan ate less than usual? no Did he eat less at the same good meal
you had? no Was the restaurant involved with the fund-raiser? no

Was his eating less in the nature of a motivation for you? yes Did it make you aware of some
benefit to be had by eating at the restaurant? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant how you found out about Jonathan eating less?

Did you take Jonathan to dinner at the restaurant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Monday, February 07, 2005 - 06:56 pm:


Is it relevant how you found out about Jonathan eating less? yes

Did you take Jonathan to dinner at the restaurant? no
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it a political fund raiser? is it relevant who would benefit from the funds? was a charity involved?

did you disagree with the aims of the fund-receiver?

was it anything like this..
he told you he was going to fast to raise money for a particular cause, and asked you to join him. You, disliking the cause for which he was raising money, decided to show your disapproval by refusing and, in fact, going out to have a slap up meal to compensate!
Any bits of that scenario relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 08:46 am:


was it a political fund raiser? yope is it relevant who would benefit from the funds? yes was a charity
involved? yes

did you disagree with the aims of the fund-receiver? yope

was it anything like this..
he told you he was going to fast to raise money for a particular cause, yes and asked you to join
him. noish You, disliking the cause for which he was raising money, yope decided to show your
disapproval by refusin yesish and, in fact, going out to have a slap up meal to compensate! yope
Any bits of that scenario relevant? yes, but there's an important element you've left out
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 10:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the thing you disagreed with - was it the method of raising funds? the ultimate beneficiary of the funds? the intermediate fund raising organisation?

did you have the slap up meal to show that there was a better way of raising funds? for the same thing? was the meal you ate part of a fund raising event?

did you, in effect, say that 'if you want people to give lots of money feed them well to make them happy then ask for the cash'? or 'make them pay but give them a really good time too'?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 11:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 10:19 pm:


the thing you disagreed with - was it the method of raising funds? yes the ultimate beneficiary of
the funds? no the intermediate fund raising organisation? no

did you have the slap up meal to show that there was a better way of raising funds? yes for the
same thing? yes was the meal you ate part of a fund raising event? noish

did you, in effect, say that 'if you want people to give lots of money feed them well to make
them happy then ask for the cash'? no or 'make them pay but give them a really good time
too'? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 11:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Aha! I've got it! He was saving his lunch money to contribute to the Struggling Actors' Fund and you demonstrated that the easiest way to get money to a struggling actor is to leave a big tip...no?

Was his fasting resulting in money for someone else? Or was it more that he was skipping a meal to save the money he'd've otherwise spent?

Is your objection that fasting isn't very healthy?
Or simply less effective?

Are there any relevant people working at the restaurant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 4:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, February 08, 2005 - 11:39 pm:


Aha! I've got it! He was saving his lunch money to contribute to the Struggling Actors' Fund
and you demonstrated that the easiest way to get money to a struggling actor is to leave a
big tip...no? nooo

Was his fasting resulting in money for someone else yesish Or was it more that he was skipping a
meal to save the money he'd've otherwise spe no

Is your objection that fasting isn't very healthy? NO!!!! I NEVER<,NEVER. NEVER, NEVER, 1000 TIMES MEVER TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO MONITOR OTHER PEOPLE"S HEALTH HABITS!!!!
Or simply less effective? yesish

Are there any relevant people working at the restaurant? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was his fast in the nature of a sponsered effort (i. e. a "fastothon")?

Did your nice meal result in money going to the charity he was supporting? Or some other charity?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 05:05 pm:


Was his fast in the nature of a sponsered effort (i. e. a "fastothon")? yes

Did your nice meal result in money going to the charity he was supporting? yesish Or some other
charity? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 7:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he ask you to sponsor him in his efforts? Is that how you learned of it?

Are taxes relevant?

Did your nice meal result in money going to a specific charity? A specific group? Did you do anything relevant in the restaurant besides eating?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 7:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 07:37 pm:


Did he ask you to sponsor him in his efforts? yes Is that how you learned of it? yes

Are taxes relevant? no

Did your nice meal result in money going to a specific charity? yesish A specific group? ditto Did you do
anything relevant in the restaurant besides eating?yes
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HONT: Keep in mind that I'm a hedonistic American, dedicated to the pursuit of happiness
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he ask you to sponsor him in his fast, and you refused but said he could sponsor you in your enjoyment of a good meal? or you would sponsor yourself? or get others to sponsor you?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he ask you to sponsor him in his fast yes, and you refused but said he could sponsor you in
your enjoyment of a good meal? no or you would sponsor yourself? yope or get others to sponsor
you? no
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 7:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he raising money to benefit farmers? Or others involved in food production? And you thought that by spending a lot of money on your dinner, you would be helping them that way?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 9:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Johanna (Buzzard) on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 07:15 pm:


Was he raising money to benefit far nomers? no Or others involved in food production? And you
thought that by spending a lot of money on your dinner, you would be helping them that way? no
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did any of the money you spent in the restaurant go to help the cause for which Jonathan was raising money? Did you donate money to this cause?

Is there anything unusual about the restaurant? Do we need to know more about it? Could you have chosen any expensive restaurant (whose food you would have enjoyed, of course)?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 08:49 pm:


Did any of the money you spent in the restaurant go to help the cause for which Jonathan was
raising money? no Did you donate money to this cause? yes

Is there anything unusual about the restaurant? no Do we need to know more about it? no Could
you have chosen any expensive restaurant (whose food you would have enjoyed, of course)? yes
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you just think it was silly that Jonathan and his fastmates were putting themselves through a period of discomfort in order to get people to donate money to charity? When they could just as easily do something pleasant, and get people to donate just as much money to charity? So you decided to take the latter route?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 09:11 pm:


Did you just think it was silly that Jonathan and his fastmates were putting themselves
through a period of discomfort in order to get people to donate money to charity? yes When they
could just as easily do something pleasant, and get people to donate just as much money to
charity? yes So you decided to take the latter route? yes

*****SPOILER ****
I am a member of Oxfam, since I think it does a lot of good. But I think it is ridiculous the way they have college students fast & donate the cost of the meal to the Third World & also ask other people to sponsor them. American college students virtually never need to fast in order to cointribute the cost of a meal to the Third World. Why pretend otherwise? I doubt that poor people in the Third World world are impressed when comfortable people in the First World play at poiverty. So whenever I hear about an Oxfam fast, I go to a nice restaurant, indulge myself in a fancy meal, & then donate the cost of that meal to Oxfam. Thankfs for solving it, Buzzard, & please check out my new puzzle at the bottom of the page.

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