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David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 7:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By miroac (Miroac) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 02:32 am:

Is it a foregone conclusion that we definitely will be right? no A definite provable fact? no
Or more of a hopeful wish? yes an educated guess? perhaps a statement that can't be empirically proved right? yesish
In this context, does "right" mean the same as "correct this one /true" and not this one
Is the thing that we'll be right about related to the English language? yes If so, any of these remotely close?:
"English will be the dominant world language."
"English is the best language in the world."
"English will be an obsolete language before long."
"English is becoming the most convoluted language in history."
"English is by far the easiest language in the world to learn."
"English will be... (something)." the things that will be right are not statements about English as such
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 3:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paging Professor Higgins...Professor Higgins to the Woubit puzzle please...

Is this about something which is different in different "versions" of English (American vs. Candian vs. British vs. Irish vs. Scottish vs...)?

Anything about correctness vs. common usage?

Evolution of (a) language relevant? Spelling relevant?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 03:40 pm:

Is this about something which is different in different "versions" of English (American vs. Candian vs. British vs. Irish vs. Scottish vs...)? no - the only difference involved is that between right English and wrong English - and this puzzle is entirely free from the notion that colonials are a bunch of heathens who talk funny :)

Anything about correctness vs. common usage? yesish

Evolution of (a) language relevant? faintly Spelling relevant? very much so
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Colour and color relevant? Or maybe machine versus macheen?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 06:33 pm:

Colour and color relevant? no - as I say, this hasn't to do with differences between English and American spellings Or maybe machine versus macheen? no, but this isn't a million miles from the right forest...
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hurked on fonix werked fir me?
David Burn (Woubit)
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By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 06:38 pm:

hurked on fonix werked fir me? no :)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, there goes all the easy guesses...

phonetic spelling relevant at all?

distinction between native English speakers and non-native English speakers relevant?

Do we have to discover anything more specific about education level, other than the fact they have all learned English?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 06:45 pm:

phonetic spelling relevant at all? no, except in the sense that while most spelling is phonetic, some is not...

distinction between native English speakers and non-native English speakers relevant? no

Do we have to discover anything more specific about education level, other than the fact they have all learned English? no, not really
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 6:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did someone try to spell a word phonetically when he/she shouldn't have done so?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 06:53 pm:

Did someone try to spell a word phonetically when he/she shouldn't have done so? yope, more or less
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think this was asked in another puzzle...

Leetspeak relevant? slang?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...go ghoti...
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...no, not recycling the ghoti again...?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 11:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 09:38 pm:

Leetspeak relevant? slang? neither, sorry

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:17 pm:

...go ghoti... it's gone. The cat ate it.

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 10:39 pm:

...no, not recycling the ghoti again...? I hope not. At least, not all over the carpet.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 4:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My personal biggest pet peeve is the lose/loose thing...if anyone here has read Olive the Other Reindeer that particular mistake is actually in the published version...well, the edition we have, anyhow. I mean, in English the number of vowels always modifies the sound of the final consonant, right? How hard can it be?

Did someone pronounce a word as written which is not spelt phonetic...fonett...the way it sounds (e. g. pseudo, mediocre)?

Or is it a more suttle difference?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 04:10 am:

Did someone pronounce a word as written which is not spelt phonetic...fonett...the way it sounds (e. g. pseudo, mediocre)? no

Or is it a more suttle difference? less obvious, at any rate
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Keyboards relevant?

Is this something which is currently commonly mispronounced in English? Or commonly misspelt?

Like pronouncing the "t" in "often" or making "forte" into a two-syllable word when not referring to music? Using "anyways" instead of "anyway"--stuff like that?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 09:00 pm:

Keyboards relevant? no. Nor drums.

Is this something which is currently commonly mispronounced in English? no Or commonly misspelt? yope

Like pronouncing the "t" in "often" or making "forte" into a two-syllable word when not referring to music? Using "anyways" instead of "anyway"--stuff like that? not like that - earlier question much closer to the right forest
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 2:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I heard a new one this morning on the way in--from a school principal--"CPU Units", which are apparently useful when dealing with PIN numbers, HIV viruses, ABS braking systems...

Homonyms relevant? Contractions?

Its two bad that their are sew many wheys too spell sum words...butte, after awl, hour language is just like that...
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 02:52 pm:

Homonyms relevant? Contractions? neither - just the usual kinds of wrong spelling...
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wild guess time!

Beacons relevant?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 04:14 pm:

Beacons relevant? no - I don't think that word gets mangled all that often
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no - I don't think that word gets mangled all that often

Then you've never seen someone claiming to be a "beakon of literacy"....

May we have a recap, please?
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...or a rikup...?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 5:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 04:22 pm:

May we have a recap, please?

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 05:52 pm:

...or a rikup...?

It's not going to be easy for me to post a recap without, in effect, posting the solution. The puzzle statement is "One of these days, we'll be right", and "we" are some English-speaking people; the area in which they will be right has to do with words that are incorrectly spelled. Now then, someone please finish it off...
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, is this a not-so-very-common mis-spelling? or is it a mis-pronounciation? or another mis-take?

Has this group of people deducted that they "are wrong"? they try to say something but fail? try to write something?

Is some sort of game involved? test?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 7:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 06:45 pm:


So, is this a not-so-very-common mis-spelling? yope or is it a mis-pronounciation? no or another mis-take? no

Has this group of people deducted that they "are wrong"? some of them probably know that they are wrong, but it's not a matter of deduction they try to say something but fail? no try to write something? no

Is some sort of game involved? test? nothing like this
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has this got anything to do with netspeak? with the sort of spellings people use in SMSs?

Is the idea that if enough people adopt an "incorrect" spelling, it will eventually become a "correct" spelling?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 05:00 pm:

Has this got anything to do with netspeak? no with the sort of spellings people use in SMSs? no. However...

Is the idea that if enough people adopt an "incorrect" spelling, it will eventually become a "correct" spelling? exactly and precisely so :)

***** SPOILER *****

English is a living language, and in its formative years there was very little standardization of spelling.

With the spread of the printed word from the 15th century onwards, and with the creation of dictionaries from the 17th century onwards (Johnson's 1755 Dictionary was, despite popular myth, by no means the first such work to appear in English) certain de facto standards were adopted, and for the most part, there are one or perhaps two correct spellings of most English words today.

But the language is not immune from changes brought about by popular usage - a single example, the transformation of "a norange" into "an orange", may serve as an illustration of this.

These ramblings were occasioned when one day, in fairly rapid succession, I read: an email containing the word "miniscule"; a book containg the word "liquify"; and a newspaper article containing the word "supercede". So common are these mis-spellings of "minuscule", "liquefy" and "supersede" today that I wondered whether they might, in the near future, overtake the versions currently given as correct in reputable dictionaries.

I decided to conduct a little research. Google gives: 478,000 hits for "miniscule" as opposed to 621,000 for "minuscule"; 71,800 hits for "liquify" as opposed to 114,000 for "liquefy"; and 304,000 hits for "supercede" as opposed to 916,000 for "supersede".

Whereas some of these hits are no doubt due to other members of woubits inc, pedants to the gentry, writing on the web about commonly mis-spelled words, there is no doubt that the wrong versions are rapidly catching up with the right ones.

For those of us whose orthography is on occasion a little quaint, then, there may be no need to worry. One of these days, we'll be right.

Well done Buzzard, well done everyone. :)
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 11:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...like the Swedish word "låneord", which would mean "loan word" - if it did exist... The correct spelling is "lånord", but almost every other word regarding loans start with "låne-"...

Talking about loan words...
When you want to see if that icehockey puck was over the line you make a replay in "slow motion". These directly borrowed English words were commonly used in Swedish for many years; "Vi spelar upp i slow motion". However, some bright people thought that we should use so many loan words - so now we shouldn't say "slow motion" but rather "ultrarapid". As if ultrarapid wasn't a loan word. And as if ultrarapid didn't mean the opposite of slow motion. But Yoda doesn't care, "ultrarapid" is now the official Swedish word for "slow motion"...

Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well in Germany we not only borrow english words, we also conjugate them as if they were german, e.g. "He was downloading it" becomes "Er hat es gedownloadet.". Ouch.
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 9:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

an email containing the word "miniscule"

Wait...that was me, wasn't it? I feel so honoured. :)
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 12:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"miniscule" is a very small error...

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