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David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:07 pm:

Change of surface, yet texture ain't relevant? indeed. The change involve would appear on the surface of the plant in question, whose texture would not be affected.
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Will there be an extra growth on the surface of these plants/ fruits? Is such a genetic modification useful? really useful? useful in a funny sort of way?
Who all are affected - the plant? The people who eat it? The people who see it? The animals that eat it? The animals that live in the plant/fruit?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This confuses me.... how do you define 'texture'? I thought one of the meanings was 'surface structure'?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 2:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Arjun (Jun) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:33 pm:

Will there be an extra growth on the surface of these plants/ fruits? they will grow in an extraordinary way. But I do not think that there will be an "extra growth". I am sorry to be so vague :( Is such a genetic modification useful? in the context of the puzzle, yes really useful? no useful in a funny sort of way? yes

Who all are affected - the plant? yes The people who eat it? yes The people who see it? yes The animals that eat it? no The animals that live in the plant/fruit? no

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:35 pm:

This confuses me.... how do you define 'texture'? I thought one of the meanings was 'surface structure'? My fault, for "texture" is a very vague word in English, just as "Beschaffenhaft" is in German :(

But neither has anything at all to do with "surface" structure. Here, we are talking about plants whose outward appearance would be changed for the purposes of this puzzle. If I were to paint a tomato white, its colour would change, but its "texture" would not.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 7:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could one feel the change? Is there a change within the cells of the plants (apart from the engineered DNA)?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 7:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the change affect what happens to light shining on the plant (e.g. reflection, bundling, ...)?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 7:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 07:01 pm:

Could one feel the change? possibly, though not all that easily Is there a change within the cells of the plants (apart from the engineered DNA)? no

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 07:03 pm:

Does the change affect what happens to light shining on the plant yes (e.g. reflection, bundling, ...)? but nothing like this
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What in the light waves is affected: amplitude? frequency? phase? polarization?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 11:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 11:34 pm:

What in the light waves is affected: amplitude? frequency? phase? polarization? nothing so technical. All that I mean is that the plant looks different to the eye.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 11:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought I had it there with polarization...

I seem to be stuck here, so let's try another approach...

Would the change basically result in another material altogether?

Would (in the context of this puzzle) mankind benefit from the change directly? indirectly? Would this benefit apply when the plant is harvested? manufactured? eaten?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 11:54 pm:

I seem to be stuck here, so let's try another approach... don't worry :) The only thing that you need to know is that the "genetic modification" I have in mind would make a significant difference to the external appearance of certain kinds of plant.

Would the change basically result in another material altogether? no. Other characteristics of the plant would not be altered.

Would (in the context of this puzzle) mankind benefit from the change directly? the idea is that some part of "mankind" would derive benefit from the change, yes indirectly? Would this benefit apply when the plant is harvested? manufactured? eaten? this is closest
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

digested? drunken? applied?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 12:38 am:

digested? drunken? applied? not this kind of thing. The "benefit", in fact, would be derived when the plant is not eaten...
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 9:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the plant just left there then? Working as fertilizer eventually? Or just a pretty sight?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 09:37 am:

Is the plant just left there then? no. The plants involved are intended for human consumption, and will - perhaps - be consumed by humans. Working as fertilizer eventually? I suppose that if the humans decided not to consume them, they might be used for fertilizer eventually, but... Or just a pretty sight? the idea is not that the plants will look vastly different from the way they look now - they will be the same size, the same shape, the same colours, composed of the same vegetable matter... But their appearance will exhibit some peculiarity.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

'Human consumption'... does that mean parts of the plant will eventually enter the human body? If so, through which orifice?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 06:48 pm:

'Human consumption'... does that mean parts of the plant will eventually enter the human body? yes If so, through which orifice? the mouth :) You really are over-complexifying this, young Martin.

All this puzzle is about is that, in some fanciful way, edible plants are genetically modified in order to look slightly different. They don't taste different, they don't smell different, and they don't sound different. They are still eaten in the usual fashion, and they interact with the rest of the world according to the same laws of physics, chemistry, and biology as heretofore.

All you have to find out is: how might the outward appearance of these plants have been modified? And, more importantly, why?
Arjun (Jun)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Will there be new spots on the plants? Stripes? Checks? Polka dots? Will there will be parts on the surface which look exactly like before, and parts that would have changed? If so, the percentage of the surface area that will change, is it - >50%, 10-50%, <10%?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I kind of got the impression from your previous answers that it's not eaten... young Martin better tries again tomorrow :)
Chuck Raby (Wildcard)
Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you talking about the watermelons that the Japanese grow so they are box-shaped and therefore stackable? Am I close?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 12:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Arjun (Jun) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:23 pm:

Will there be new spots on the plants? Stripes? Checks? Polka dots? somewhat less arbitrary than those, but this is on the right lines Will there will be parts on the surface which look exactly like before, and parts that would have changed? yes If so, the percentage of the surface area that will change, is it - >50%, 10-50%, <10%? it depends on the size of the plant

By Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:55 pm:

I kind of got the impression from your previous answers that it's not eaten... it might or might not be eaten. It would depend... young Martin better tries again tomorrow wenn Gott will, wirst du wieder geweckt :)

By Chuck Raby (Wildcard) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:00 pm:

Are you talking about the watermelons that the Japanese grow so they are box-shaped and therefore stackable? no - I am talking about something that does not yet exist except in the mind of a silly woubit Am I close? well, in terms of closeness, I would assess your position as worth about minus one cigar
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 8:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it depend on the kind of plant wether its eaten? Or on the kind of change?