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Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 6:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab

Last time I had to work those kind of hours, I was sewing costumes at a shop that supplied many of the Mardi Gras Krewes in Mobile. 13-14 hour days, 6 days a week for the better part of a month was no fun, so you have my sympathy as well, both of you. Thanks. :)

Is the "what he heard" the important event that occured between the realization and the panic? YES

Is what he heard a voice? voices? a conversation? an evil laugh? a song? a sound from nature? (like a clap of thunder?) a train whistle? None of the above

The small but important detail in his mother's threat: did it also involve this sound? YES!!! Good question.

Lzeiters

I'm something of a draftsman, with some basic engineering thrown in for good measure. (FYI, I don't have an engineering degree... we have our design engineers specify design requirements that we incorporate into our drawings and shop lists.) Go to www.vulcraft.com/tx and look around if you're curious. I've just drawn some really nasty projects all in a row, and they want us to do "whatever it takes" to meet our deadlines, and in my case that has translated into working 65-70 hour weeks for about 2 months now. Not a whole lot of fun... Ugh...and I thought my one month stints were bad! I can't even begin to imagine two months like this. In my case, I have to endure these one month stints of crazy time about 3 times a year, due to the nature of the product I'm working with. But at least I don't have them in a row.

back to the puzzle... did Billy-Bob see any "suspicious"-looking people on the way home, such that he actually thought that person was Satan and was chasing him? No, but this is in the right forest....see my answers to Rabrab above for more details.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 6:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he believed that this sound would herald the Devil's arrival?

Did he hear this sound while he was still in the pub? while he was on his way home?

Is the sound made
by an animal?
by a musical instrument?
by something breaking? falling? malfunctioning? (frex, the pop! that some lightbulbs make when they burn out?)


Is it an unusual sound? or is it typical for the type of area he was in?
Did the sound system in the pub let out a wail of feedback?
Did Billy-Bob's drinking companions also hear it? did it startle? scare? them at all?

Would he have connected it with the Devil at all if he hadn't been drinking?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he believed that this sound would herald the Devil's arrival? Yes

Did he hear this sound while he was still in the pub? while he was on his way home? The latter

Is the sound made
by an animal? Yope
by a musical instrument?
by something breaking? falling? malfunctioning? (frex, the pop! that some lightbulbs make when they burn out?) No to the rest


Is it an unusual sound? or is it typical for the type of area he was in? Hmmm...tough to answer. Given the area he was in, I'd say that the sound is probably not that common. All the same, though, people probably wouldn't be shocked or surprised to hear it every now and then.
Did the sound system in the pub let out a wail of feedback? No, and a bit of a FA here...there was no sound system in the pub.
Did Billy-Bob's drinking companions also hear it? did it startle? scare? them at all? No to all -- Billy-Bob was returning home alone.

Would he have connected it with the Devil at all if he hadn't been drinking? Probably not -- recall that Billy-Bob was a bit buzzed at the time, and that probably influenced his judgement.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dog barking? or howling?
A dog making some other noise?
Cat yowling?
Cat hissing?
Cat making some other noise?
some type of bird? a rooster crowing?
cicada's buzz-clicky noise?
that odd chatter-y noise a squirrel makes when it's angry?
a horse neighing?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dog barking? or howling?
A dog making some other noise?
Cat yowling?
Cat hissing?
Cat making some other noise?
some type of bird? a rooster crowing?
cicada's buzz-clicky noise?
that odd chatter-y noise a squirrel makes when it's angry?
a horse neighing? Sorry, but none of the above.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yope to animal... because it is not really from an animal, bud supposed to be (like a ring tone that sounds like a dog barking)? because the being is not really an animal?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yope to animal... because it is not really from an animal, bud supposed to be (like a ring tone that sounds like a dog barking)? No, but if you reverse your thinking laterally.... because the being is not really an animal? No -- there really is an animal involved.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the sound not made by, but with the help of an animals? Is the sound made by animals? are different sounds involved? different kinds of animals?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the sound not made by, but with the help of an animals? YES, good question! Is the sound made by animals? See previous answer are different sounds involved? No, only one sound involved. different kinds of animals? No...only one animal involved.
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the animal alive when it helps to make a sound? is it alive afterwards?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just looked at the title and though I hardly remember any latin, I know that Lupus means wolve or dog. Relevant?)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 5:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm. Is it a sound made by something because of an animal?
The screeching of brakes from someone trying to avoid an animal that has run into the road? A car horn blaring because someone is trying to scare an animal out of the way?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Martin, A couple of people upthread identified the title. Translated, it means "to hold a wolf by the ear," so it's like the English phrase "he's got a tiger by the tail," meaning he's started something that may be more dangerous to try to stop than to see through to the end.

Oh, I should probably ask some more questions...


Is the sound that Billy-Bob heard considered in general to be a threatening sound?
a triumphant sound?
a scary sound?

Given the area he's in, it isn't that common, but people wouldn't be surprised by it.

Does this take place in :
a city center? (mixed business and some residential, usually apartments or multi-family housing)
city residential? (single family housing, some scattered small businesses; 20 to 40 houses to the block)
a suburb?
small town?
country residential? (single family housing, very little in any business, 10 to 20 houses to the mile)
rural? (mostly farms or timberland, generally more than 3/4 of a mile between houses)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Trickymartin

Is the animal alive when it helps to make a sound? Yes is it alive afterwards? Yes

I just looked at the title and though I hardly remember any latin, I know that Lupus means wolve or dog. Relevant? See my comments to Rabrab below.

Rabrab

Hmmm. Is it a sound made by something because of an animal? No...the animal does make the noise, but it is not one that it can naturally make. I know this sounds a bit weird, but hopefully it'll all be clear once this puzzle is solved. :)
The screeching of brakes from someone trying to avoid an animal that has run into the road? A car horn blaring because someone is trying to scare an animal out of the way? No to all of these scenarios -- nothing like any of those, I'm afraid.

Martin, A couple of people upthread identified the title. Translated, it means "to hold a wolf by the ear," so it's like the English phrase "he's got a tiger by the tail," meaning he's started something that may be more dangerous to try to stop than to see through to the end.

Actually, a better English equivalent is that "He's/She's between a rock and a hard place." Auribus teneo lupum means that "I'm holding the wolf by the ears", and is taken to mean that the person is in a very difficult situation. I chose the Latin title, because Billy-Bob thought that he was stuck with two unpalatable choices: a) face the devil's wrath or b) face his mother's wrath. As I mentioned, the connection is shaky at best.

Oh, I should probably ask some more questions...


Is the sound that Billy-Bob heard considered in general to be a threatening sound? No
a triumphant sound? No
a scary sound? Could be -- depends on the setting, I guess.

Given the area he's in, it isn't that common, but people wouldn't be surprised by it.

Does this take place in :
a city center? (mixed business and some residential, usually apartments or multi-family housing)
city residential? (single family housing, some scattered small businesses; 20 to 40 houses to the block)
a suburb?
small town?
country residential? (single family housing, very little in any business, 10 to 20 houses to the mile)
rural? (mostly farms or timberland, generally more than 3/4 of a mile between houses) This one -- good question! I'm surprised that no one had even really touched this point, especially since it is rather important. And to save you guys from asking the obvious next question: the area involved is predominantly farmlands. Now then...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 10:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

An owl?
The scream of a rabbit in pain?
The shriek some hawks make as they dive on prey?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

An owl?
The scream of a rabbit in pain?
The shriek some hawks make as they dive on prey? None of these, sorry
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 12:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, foo. Time to break out the sledgehammer again...

Is the animal:
a mammal?
a marsupial?
a bird?
a reptile?
an amphibian?
Fish pretty much don't make noise, but just for completeness -- a fish?
something else?

Is it very small (under 2 pounds or so?)
small (2 to 20 pounds?)
medium (20 to 50 pounds?)
on the large side of medium (50 to 75 pounds?)
large (75 to 150 pounds?)
very large (over 150 pounds?)

It's not a sound it can make on its own--was someone? something? doing something to it? Was it a sound that the animal normally makes, but distorted? or amplified? in some way so that it wasn't the normal sound?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, foo. Time to break out the sledgehammer again...

Is the animal:
a mammal? This one
a marsupial?
a bird?
a reptile?
an amphibian?
Fish pretty much don't make noise, but just for completeness -- a fish?
something else?

Is it very small (under 2 pounds or so?)
small (2 to 20 pounds?)
medium (20 to 50 pounds?)
on the large side of medium (50 to 75 pounds?)
large (75 to 150 pounds?)
very large (over 150 pounds?) It would be well over 150 pounds!

It's not a sound it can make on its own--was someone? something? doing something to it? Was it a sound that the animal normally makes, but distorted? or amplified? in some way so that it wasn't the normal sound? None of the above, I'm afraid.

I think I see a misunderstanding here, which may be entirely my fault. I shall endeavour to clear up any confusion:

When I asserted that it's not a sound that the animal can make on its own, what I meant was that it wasn't a natural sound. That does not mean, though, that it isn't responsible for the production of said sound -- it might very well be the primary cause for the sound.

Take the human being for example: humans can scream. It is a sound that most humans can make without any aid. However, humans cannot make the sound of cymbals clanging together on their own -- they'll need a pair of cymbals for that. But having said that, the human is directly responsible for the production of the sound of clanging cymbals. Hope that clear things up.
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cowbell? (ie "It needs more cowbell!") Something like that?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 4:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, then, was the critter
a cow?
a horse?
a pig?
a deer?
a big sheep?
a really big goat?

Did the animal do something that produced the sound, but it wasn't an "animal sound"? Is that what you mean? (kicked something? ran into something? knocked something down?)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 4:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doctapeppa

Cowbell? (ie "It needs more cowbell!") Something like that? It's not a cowbell, but at least you've got the right animal and you are on the right track! :)

Rabrab

Ok, then, was the critter
a cow? Mooooo....I meant, see above!
a horse?
a pig?
a deer?
a big sheep?
a really big goat?

Did the animal do something that produced the sound, but it wasn't an "animal sound"? Yes Is that what you mean? Yes (kicked something? ran into something? knocked something down?) But none of those three. See Doctapeppa's question above for some inspiration.
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the cow's horn?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 7:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the cow wearing something? doing something? just walking around?

I'm feeling a bit lost, here... time to just let it stew for a while, I think.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doctapeppa

Was it the cow's horn? No

Rabrab

Was the cow wearing something? This one doing something? just walking around? It was also doing a bit of walking, but to label it simply as "walking around" would be misleading...

I'm feeling a bit lost, here... time to just let it stew for a while, I think. You guys are actually right at the finish line. Figure out the mystery about the cow, and this puzzle practically solves itself.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, then...
Was the cow wearing something that cows normally wear?
that cows occasionally wear?
that cows don't usually wear?
that cows aren't supposed to wear?

Is this thing attached to a collar?
to a harness of some sort?
was it wrapped? or tangled? around the cow?
was it tied to the cow?
was the cow dragging it? carrying it?
had it become atteched to cow accidentally?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 10:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the cow rattling a chain? Which Billy-Bob confused for the devil's chain (or at least I assume it is one of the usual paraphernalia the Devil carries around)?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, then...
Was the cow wearing something that cows normally wear?
that cows occasionally wear? This one, I would say.
that cows don't usually wear?
that cows aren't supposed to wear?

Is this thing attached to a collar? Yes
to a harness of some sort? No
was it wrapped? or tangled? around the cow?
was it tied to the cow? It's simply attached to the collar.
was the cow dragging it? YES -- good question! carrying it?
had it become atteched to cow accidentally?

Alizon

Was the cow rattling a chain? Which Billy-Bob confused for the devil's chain (or at least I assume it is one of the usual paraphernalia the Devil carries around)? EXACTLY!!!! Well done. :)

Now, can someone put it all together and put this puzzle to rest? :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 4:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's see if I've got it all:

Billy-Bob's mother had warned him that, if he ever drank alcohol, the Devil would appear, and with a great rattling of chains, drag him off to eternal torment forthwith and without delay. Billy-Bob, for some reason, completely believed this even into his mid-to-late teens.

However, Bily-Bob was also a bit rebellious, and so, one evening, he went to the local with some of his mates, and, after lying about his age, had a couple of beers. He then began the walk home out in the country, perhaps a tad bit blitzed. Passing by a farmyard, he heard --OH, Horrors!-- the rattling of a chain!

Belatedly, he remembered his mother's warning, and knew that indeed, Old Nick himself was creeping up on him chain in hand (or claw, or paw, or talon, or whatever manipulative limbs he pictured the Devil as having) to carry him away to perdition. In his panic, he ran the rest of the way home, screaming and crying and pleading for his mother to save him from the consequences of his actions.

She, however, just laughed at him when she discovered why he was so terrified, because the sound that he had heard was the neighbor's cow, chained up in the side field, dragging its chain around.

(And she never let him forget it, either...)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 8:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab's basically got it. The source I heard it from was pretty "dry", so here's a more embellished.....

********** SPOILER **********

This story takes place in the late 1800's. Billy-Bob was a teenager living in farm country. His mother, a strict religious conservative, tried to discourage her son from drinking alcohol by claiming that the Devil would come for him and bind him up with chains if he should ever touched the accursed liquid.

Billy-Bob, in the manner of all rebellious teenage boys, disregarded his mother's warnings, and went drinking at the local bar. It was evening when he decided to set out for home.

As he was walking along, he started to think about his mother's warnings, and started to wonder if they were true. He hadn't even begun to think about it fully before he heard the ominous sounds of hooves behind him. The Devil was supposed to have cloven hoofs. He started to walk a bit faster, trying to convince himself that he was hearing things in his semi-intoxicated state.

Then suddenly, he heard the sound of chains being dragged along the road! Billy-Bob thought that he was dead. The Devil really had come for him, and he's going to bind him up with his chains, and drag him into Hell!

Billy-Bob ran out, screaming with terror. The sound of the chain and hooves kept up behind him, seemingly getting closer and closer. And then, there was an unholy sound: something like a moan or an angry grunt. The Devil must be reaching out for him! One could only imagine poor Billy-Bob's terror at this point.

Finally, he saw his house in sight, with the Devil still in hot pursuit. His mother was standing in the doorway, her figure sillouetted by the light behind her. Billy-Bob ran up to his mother and threw himself down at her feet, telling her that he is really sorry for giving in to the vile temptation of the drink, and begging for her to save him from the Devil.

But his mother did absolutely nothing. Instead, Billy-Bob noticed with surprise that his mother was doubled over with laughter. Still laughing, she raised one hand and pointed it behind him. Billy-Bob turned around.

There was Betsy, one of the cows from his farm. Apparently, Betsy had been chained to a post, but had somehow broken loose. Betsy had then wandered around and gotten quite lost. Upon seeing a familiar face in Billy-Bob, Betsy simply followed him in an effort to find her way home again.

Thanks to all who participated, especially to Rabrab who did the lion share of the work. Props also go to Alizon and Wunderland for a few of the more critical lateral leaps. May a cow grace your dreams tonight....
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is wonderful!

Thank you for a great puzzle.

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