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Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 10:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because of Marina's incompetence, Stanley was seriously injured, even though Marina was not present at the time of Stanley's injury and never touched any of the items involved in the injury. What happened?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 11:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Johanna!

Are the two mentioned strangers to one another? Relevant?

Location relevant?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Johanna! Hi Simon! :)

Are the two mentioned strangers to one another? no Relevant? yes

Location relevant? The story on which the puzzle is based took place in New York City (in the present day). Many, but not all, other locations would work.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 1:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they inside? outside? Are there many items involved in his injury? Is machinery involved? Was Marina ever in the place where Stanley was injured?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 2:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they inside? sometimes outside? sometimes Are there many items involved in his injury? define "many" Is machinery involved? define "machinery" Was Marina ever in the place where Stanley was injured? irrelevant
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there 2 or more items involved? 5 or more? 10 or more?
Is a mode of transportation involved?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 3:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Define "machinery" indeed. Welcome back, Doctor Johanna :)

Are Marina and Stanley related? lovers? friends? colleagues? for each: adult? human? does the profession of either matter?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Johanna - welcome to the land of Eng.

Was Marina working in an office?
Did she have anything to do with the manufacture of the items involved in the injury?
Did she have anything to do with the quality control involved in the making of those items?
Was she involved in the support back up for those items?
Did she ever give out bad advice regarding the items?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Eliot (Eliot) on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 03:33 pm:

Are there 2 or more items involved? yes 5 or more? no 10 or more? no
Is a mode of transportation involved? no


By David Burn (Woubit) on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 03:48 pm:

Define "machinery" indeed. Welcome back, Doctor Johanna

Are Marina and Stanley related? lovers? friends? colleagues? no to all for each: adult? human? yes to both for each does the profession of either matter? yes - both of their professions matter


By Lynne (Lynne) on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 04:06 pm:

Hi Johanna - welcome to the land of Eng. Thank you :)

Was Marina working in an office? not at any particular relevant moment, although part of her job is done in an office
Did she have anything to do with the manufacture of the items involved in the injury? no
Did she have anything to do with the quality control involved in the making of those items? no
Was she involved in the support back up for those items? no
Did she ever give out bad advice regarding the items? no
Arjun Rangarajan (Jun)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Johanna! How's England? Hope you and I will soon be confused enough not to care about spellings...

Marina's company/ her job profile - does it deal with -
manufacturing?
service?
quality control?
engineering?
architecture?
science?
math?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 10:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

machinery, n. 1. Theatr. and literary. Stage appliances and contrivances. b. The assemblage of ‘machines’ employed in a poem; supernatural personages and incidents introduced in narrative or dramatic poetry.

2. Machines, or the constituent parts of a machine, taken collectively; the mechanism or ‘works’ of a machine or machines.

Is either of these relevant? If so, which? Or is there any other word with which I can help you? :)
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 7:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Arjun Rangarajan (Jun) on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 07:27 pm:

Hi Johanna! How's England? Wet and windy and full of pompous asses. How is California? Hope you and I will soon be confused enough not to care about spellings...

Marina's company/ her job profile - does it deal with -
manufacturing?
service?
quality control?
engineering?
architecture?
science?
math? none of these


By David Burn (Woubit) on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 10:52 pm:

machinery, n. 1. Theatr. and literary. Stage appliances and contrivances. b. The assemblage of ÔmachinesÕ employed in a poem; supernatural personages and incidents introduced in narrative or dramatic poetry.

2. Machines, or the constituent parts of a machine, taken collectively; the mechanism or ÔworksÕ of a machine or machines.

Is either of these relevant? no If so, which? Or is there any other word with which I can help you?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 3:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Stanley injured deliberately? was he struck? cut? stabbed? scalded? burned? run over by a bus? was some other person? or persons? involved in the cause of the injury to Stanley?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Stanley injured deliberately? yes was he struck? cut? stabbed? scalded? this burned? and this run over by a bus? was some other person? or persons? involved in the cause of the injury to Stanley? Stanley's injuries were the direct result of a deliberate act performed by one person, who is neither Stanley nor Marina. But there is yet another person who is "involved in the cause of the injury to Stanley" in that if it hadn't been for her (I'll give you that much), Stanley would not have been injured on this occasion.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am confused, as usual :( Here we have one Stanley, who has been both scalded and burned? Someone meant to do this? (as by pouring boiling oil over Stanley?) Is the notion that Marina misunderstood something? which led to (in effect) an order to boil poor Stanley?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am confused, as usual Here we have one Stanley, who has been both scalded and burned? Someone meant to do this? (as by pouring boiling oil over Stanley?) This is perhaps the least interesting part of the puzzle, so I will reveal this much to you: someone poured a pot of boiling water (in which spaghetti had been cooking) over Stanley. On purpose. Is the notion that Marina misunderstood something? yes which led to (in effect) an order to boil poor Stanley? I am not sure if what you mean by "order" is the same as what I mean, but it is not the case that Marina accidentally instructed someone to boil poor Stanley. The person who did the boiling was acting on her (and I'll give you that much again) own initiative.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this other person (whose name it might perhaps be better for you to choose :)) related to Stanley? a friend? a colleague? a stranger? And is she related to Marina? a friend? a colleague? a stranger?
Peter Johnson (Astraz)
Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 12:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this other person and Stanley together in a kitchen, restaurant, canteen or other food preparation or eating area ?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the person who scalded Stanley his girlfriend?

Did Marina say or do something which made Stanley's girlfriend think that Stanley had an affair with Marina?
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Marina indirectly (by her incompetence) cause Stanleys injuries? if she just was told what had happened at the time of the accident, would she be able to conclude that it was her fault? if someone blamed her, would she agree?

Marina's mistake - was it something she didn't do (but was supposed to)? or something she did wrong? or something she didn't tell someone? or something she said (but wasn't supposed to)?

Did Marina work, in the broad sense, in the "medicine field"? at a hospital? as a doctor? as an op(h)tomologist?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By David Burn (Woubit) on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 12:32 pm:

Is this other person (whose name it might perhaps be better for you to choose ) related to Stanley? a friend? a colleague? a stranger? And is she related to Marina? a friend? a colleague? a stranger? The boiler, whom we shall call Bianca, is a colleague of Stanley, and has a passing acquaintanceship with Marina.

By Peter Johnson (Astraz) on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 12:43 pm:

Is this other person and Stanley together in a kitchen, restaurant, canteen or other food preparation or eating area ? Bianca did the boiling in her home kitchen. The reason why Stanley happened to be in Bianca's home kitchen has nothing to do with his working relationship with Bianca, and is irrelevant to the puzzle.

By Alizon (Alizon) on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 04:04 pm:

Was the person who scalded Stanley his girlfriend? irrelevant

Did Marina say or do something which made Stanley's girlfriend think that Stanley had an affair with Marina? no

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 09:26 pm:

Did Marina indirectly (by her incompetence) cause Stanleys injuries? I would say yes if she just was told what had happened at the time of the accident, would she be able to conclude that it was her fault? FA - Stanley's injuries were not the result of an accident if someone blamed her, would she agree? If the full reasoning were explained to her, I suspect she would agree that she had acted very foolishly.

Marina's mistake - was it something she didn't do (but was supposed to)? or something she did wrong? or something she didn't tell someone? or something she said (but wasn't supposed to)?

Did Marina work, in the broad sense, in the "medicine field"? at a hospital? as a doctor? as an op(h)tomologist?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooops...

Marina's mistake - was it something she didn't do (but was supposed to)? no or something she did wrong? yes or something she didn't tell someone? or something she said (but wasn't supposed to)? not these

Did Marina work, in the broad sense, in the "medicine field"? at a hospital? as a doctor? as an op(h)tomologist? none of these