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Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The early bird did not get the worm.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he overslept!?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Early bird = an actual bird? a person? something else?
Worm = actual worm or does it refer to something else?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he overslept!? lol, I almost wish that was the answer :)

Early bird = an actual bird? a person? yes something else?
Worm = actual worm or does it refer to something else? why yes :)

*grumble* Fine! *grumble* It refers to something else. Happy now?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wild guess: someone using a beta version of Mozilla Thunderbird didn't get an email worm?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wild guess: someone using a beta version of Mozilla Thunderbird didn't get an email worm? Wow! Why is it that the best guesses are never the ones that I thought of in the first place? Unfortunately no, it isn't that.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 4:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A person = You? male? human? adult? someone famous?
Did this person fail to achieve something? buy something? did they misunderstand something? Is an object involved?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the early bird want to get the worm?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This person was early? Early to get to a place? To do a certain thing? Would they have gotten the worm had they been there later?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Early Bird= first person to arrive somewhere? first person to attempt something? first person to actually do something? person who intended to do something?

Or

Early as opposed to late? as opposed to later?

the Worm = a tangible thing? a prize? praise? fame?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A person = You? male? human? adult? someone famous? not me - irrelevant otherwise
Did this person fail to achieve something? no buy something? no did they misunderstand something? no Is an object involved? yesish

Did the early bird want to get the worm? good question...difficult to answer at this stage - no, he didn't, because he didn't know that he would get the worm if he wasn't so early

This person was early? yes Early to get to a place? yes To do a certain thing? yes, connecting with previous answer Would they have gotten the worm had they been there later? yes!, but not necessarily...

Early Bird= first person to arrive somewhere? yes first person to attempt something? no first person to actually do something? yes, connected with previous answers person who intended to do something? yes, connected with previous answer

Or

Early as opposed to late? yes! as opposed to later? yes!

the Worm = a tangible thing? yes a prize? praise? fame? no to these

Very good questions, I think some major progress was made there.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is airline travel at all relevant?
Was this place he arrived early at somewhere they went frequently? once in a while? had never been before?
The worm? A ticket? something electrical? a non-human animal? a vehicle?
Did this person have a relevant profession?
Did they not get the worm because they were TOO early?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 11:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is airline travel at all relevant? no
Was this place he arrived early at somewhere they went frequently? once in a while? had never been before? irrelevant - we'll say they went frequently
The worm? ... A ticket? something electrical? a non-human animal? a vehicle? no to all of these
Did this person have a relevant profession? no
Did they not get the worm because they were TOO early? no
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fishing relevant at all?

Worm = computer virus?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 12:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oooo-kay.

Was he early only in the sense that he wasn't late? Was he in fact right on time, even though he was the first person there?

The worm: He didn't know that he wouldn't get it by being early; did he even know that it existed? Did anyone get the worm? If yes, did they want it? Did they know that it existed before they got it?

Was it some sort of a thing given as a reward for being the nth person to do whatever it was? and he was the (n-x)th person?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 5:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fishing relevant at all? no

Worm = computer virus? no

The 'worm' isn't anything which has the name 'worm'. It's a metaphor for something else.

Was he early only in the sense that he wasn't late? Was he in fact right on time, even though he was the first person there? I think we're all getting confused - there was no 'right on time' - 'early' meant that it was early on in the day, and 'late' meant that it was later on in the day.

The worm: He didn't know that he wouldn't get it by being early; did he even know that it existed? difficult to answer - he knew that the object itself existed, but he didn't know that it would become the 'worm' for the later person Did anyone get the worm? yes If yes, did they want it? see next answer Did they know that it existed before they got it? no

Was it some sort of a thing given as a reward for being the nth person to do whatever it was? and he was the (n-x)th person? no

It would probably help to discover the context in which this event occurs
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 6:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Worm = metaphor for something that goes rotten/bad?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 11:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Worm = metaphor for something that goes rotten/bad? no - it's simply a metaphor for another tangible object
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 1:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the "worm" alive? organic?
Would the early bird have been pleased if he had gotten the worm? Was the later bird pleased to get it?
The place where the birds arrived: outdoors? indoors? a building? a home? a place of business?
Was the worm in this place when the early bird arrived? when the later bird arrived?
Is the time of day relevant? daylight relevant? is he early in the day?
or early relative to some other event?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 3:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the "worm" alive? organic? no to both
Would the early bird have been pleased if he had gotten the worm? Was the later bird pleased to get it? yes to both
The place where the birds arrived: outdoors? indoors? a building? a home? a place of business? indoors - a place of business
Was the worm in this place when the early bird arrived? when the later bird arrived? yes to both
Is the time of day relevant? daylight relevant? is he early in the day? no to both - irrelevant
or early relative to some other event? only to the later person's arrival
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let me check something here...

Is Birdy's earlyness the only reason that he didn't get the worm?
A major part of the reason that he didn't get the worm?
A minor part of the reason that he didn't get the worm?
No part of the reason that he didn't get the worm?

Same questions for the later arrival, if you would be so kind?

A place of business=
A retail store?
a wholesale store?
a restaurant?
an airport or other transportation hub?
a factory?
a warehouse?
an office?

if an office, then
the office of a service company?
a bank?
a lawyer?
a doctor?
an accountant?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 1:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry for my un-punctuality in answering, but I thought that I had answered them...

Let me check something here...

Is Birdy's earlyness the only reason that he didn't get the worm? yes
A major part of the reason that he didn't get the worm?
A minor part of the reason that he didn't get the worm?
No part of the reason that he didn't get the worm?

Same questions for the later arrival, if you would be so kind? his lateness is the only reason that he got the worm

A place of business=
A retail store?
a wholesale store?
a restaurant?
an airport or other transportation hub?
a factory?
a warehouse?
an office? this is closest, yes

if an office, then
the office of a service company?
a bank?
a lawyer?
a doctor?
an accountant?

None of these - I'll explain it. It's an adult learning centre - a room for people to come in and study at their own time (hence the possibility of coming in 'earlier' and 'later'), there would also be an office next door for the manager to work when not giving help.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 2:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Birdy still there when Latey got the worm?
Was the worm given to Latey by the manager?
Was the worm a book? or something related to learning?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 7:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the worm:
Something:
electrical?
mechanical?
edible?
ornamental?
functional?
of considerable monetary value?
educational?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Birdy still there when Latey got the worm? yes
Was the worm given to Latey by the manager? yes...
Was the worm a book? or something related to learning? only vaguely related to learning - but is used in many other situations too

Was the worm:
Something:
electrical?
mechanical?
edible?
ornamental?
functional? yes
of considerable monetary value?
educational?

no to the others

Hint: You are almost definitely using / able to use one right now.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A seat? A table?
or something else that he would only use while inside the centre?
...in the manager's office?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2005 - 9:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A new computer? a new monitor? a new keyboard? Anything computer related? New software of some sort?

Was Latey allowed to keep the worm?

Did Latey get the worm because it was only then available? (Something that was delivered to the centre after Birdy arrived? Or was installed after Birdy arrived?)
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A seat?
...in the manager's office? yes!

Was Latey allowed to keep the worm? no

Did Latey get the worm because it was only then available? no - it had always been there
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 5:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The manager was in his office earlier in the day? because the centre was quiet? and he didn't need to help anyone? so Birdy got to use part of the main public area?
But later it was more busy? and he was in the centre helping someone? so Latey got to use the manager's office? Which was nice and comfortable? or quiet?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 11:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

YES, and so that makes a

***** SPOILER *****

Read the post above.
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Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 3:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the bird was too early this time..

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