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Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The colour?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The colour? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, we've eliminated two of the senses--relevant how the plant smells? Tastes? Sounds? How animals react to the plant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 3:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, we've eliminated two of the senses--relevant how the plant smells? Tastes? Sounds? How animals react to the plant? nope, sorry!
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, proceeding to flail about randomly...and you should really do something about that dwarf before he kills you again...

The name of the plant? The taxonomy? Origins? History? A myth or legend regarding said plant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 3:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The name of the plant? The taxonomy? Origins? History? A myth or legend regarding said plant? no (what is taxonomy, exactly?)

any suggestions on how to get rid of dwarves?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, you could 'do unto the dwarf...' He should've left something behind at least once when he was flinging stuff at you (I don't know if you picked it up, is all).

And taxonomy is the hierarchy of living things: Kingdom, Phylum/Division, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species.


How about stuff that (typically) grows near tomato plants? Bugs that hang out on tomato plants? Birds? The squishy nature of ripe tomatoes? The seeds? The roots? The leaves? The flowers? The penguins?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, uh, not penguins, never mind about the penguins, sorry.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Dwarf actually threw an axe the first time, and that is still lieing around somewhere.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How about stuff that (typically) grows near tomato plants? Bugs that hang out on tomato plants? Birds? The squishy nature of ripe tomatoes? The seeds? The roots? The leaves? The flowers? The penguins? none of these, sorry

HINT:

This property is shared with many citrus fruits
Ian (Image)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are tomatoes acidic? Is that relevant? (Only thing I can think of that tomatoes may have in common with citrus fruits....)
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The season in which they fruit?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are tomatoes acidic? Is that relevant? YES! acidic enough, anyways
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, does the acidity of tomatoes help debunk the myth that they're poisonous? Does it cause the myth that they're poisonous? Does it help bring pizza?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 3:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, does the acidity of tomatoes help debunk the myth that they're poisonous? Does it cause the myth that they're poisonous? this one Does it help bring pizza? no
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

:/ I'm confused now.... So Walter knows that tomatoes are acidic, and thinks that therefore they are poisonous?
Does cooking tomatoes in a pizza stop them from being acidic? Relevant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 5:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm confused now.... So Walter knows that tomatoes are acidic, and thinks that therefore they are poisonous? no, he doesn't know they are acidic. remember that something else about him being upper class is relevant...
Does cooking tomatoes in a pizza stop them from being acidic? Relevant? no, it doesn't, but...
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is heart burn relevant to this puzzle?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is heart burn relevant to this puzzle? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clothing relevant? Religion? Type of food consumed?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clothing relevant? Religion? Type of food consumed? no to all, the tomatoes are the only relevant food. something else about the social class (walter is upper class, ann is lower class ) is relevant
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Type of tableware (silver/pottery/wood?) relevant? Type of cooking utensils? availability of non-tomato foods? availability of spices?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Type of tableware (silver/pottery/wood?) relevant? YES!!!!!!!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 5:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, the acid in tomatoes will stain or tarnish many metals used for tableware, including silver and steel. It does not affect glazed pottery (china or stoneware) or wood.
Did the fact that tomatoes damaged the type of tableware used by the upper classes influence the belief that they must be poisonous? (is poisonous-ness even relevant? I forgot.)
Or does Walter want to have nothing to do with tomatoes simply because they'll damage the family silver?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 2:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, the acid in tomatoes will stain or tarnish many metals used for tableware, including silver and steel. It does not affect glazed pottery (china or stoneware) or wood. it's important that they don't damage wood. who would eat off of wood? Did the fact that tomatoes damaged the type of tableware used by the upper classes influence the belief that they must be poisonous? sort of... poisonous-ness is relevant. it's not so much about damage as... it's not actually silver plates walter eats off of, but you're going along the right track... (is poisonous-ness even relevant? I forgot.)
Or does Walter want to have nothing to do with tomatoes simply because they'll damage the family silver? not quite this
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hrm... ok, so he has metal table ware of some sort...
Is it... ...?
Or is it a combination of metals? Perhaps engraved stuff that's been in the family for years?
Is he afraid the tomatoes will ruin the engraving? Afraid that the metal that is eaten away by the acid will get mixed into the food and give them all _____ (lead, silver, oxide, etc.) poisoning?
Cancer relevant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 2:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hrm... ok, so he has metal table ware of some sort...
Is it... ...? pewter
Or is it a combination of metals? Perhaps engraved stuff that's been in the family for years?
Is he afraid the tomatoes will ruin the engraving? Afraid that the metal that is eaten away by the acid will get mixed into the food and give them all _____ (lead, silver, oxide, etc.) poisoning? YES!!! Lead poisoning
Cancer relevant?

I think you've got enough for a

*************SPOILER********************

Ann is fond of them. Walter won't go near them. Fortunately, there's a pizza on the way.

This puzzle is either true or one of those myths of history, depending on which website you look at. The one I got it from was a history of tomatoes, which claims it's true, but who knows...

The puzzle takes place in England, probably 16th or 17th century, definitely before 1800. Walter is upper class and eats off of pewter plates. Tomatoes are acidic enough that there have been reported incidents of lead poisoning due to the lead leaching out of the pewter and into the food. Rather than blaming the pewter plates, Walter blames the tomatoes, and stays away from them. Ann is lower class and eats off of wood plates, so she does not have this problem. When pizza comes around in about 1800, it is so yummy that everyone begins to eat tomatoes. Who can resist pizza, after all? This debunks the poisonous tomato myth. Not to mention that you've got that yummy crust separating the tomatoes from the pewter.

Thanks to all who did work on this one! Now go check out my Egads! puzzle :)

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