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Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"The company was not convinced" -- would this puzzle still have worked if the company was in fact convinced by the good Comte?

Richard died roughly 500 years ago prior to this banquet -- relevant?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 7:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 04:19 pm

"The company was not convinced" -- would this puzzle still have worked if the company was in fact convinced by the good Comte? No, the puzzle situation probably wouldn't have arisen if the company had been convinced.

Richard died roughly 500 years ago prior to this banquet -- relevant? VERY relevant!
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 7:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Richard is the mystery person that has been dead for roughly 500 years?

The reason why the company didn't believe St. Germain -- because they didn't know he and his servant was immortal? Is the reason even relevant?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 07:48 pm

So Richard is the mystery person that has been dead for roughly 500 years? Yes, he is.

The reason why the company didn't believe St. Germain -- because they didn't know he and his servant was immortal? Is the reason even relevant? The reason isn't really relevant. The reaction is.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 3:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason isn't really relevant. The reaction is. <--- You mean the reaction of the company of St. Germain? St. Germain himself? Or his servant?

Did the company know that St. Germain was immortal? Did they believe that he was immortal? If no to either one of them: did St. Germain and his servant give proofs of their immortality?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 7:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 03:17 pm

The reason isn't really relevant. The reaction is. <--- You mean the reaction of the company of St. Germain? Yes St. Germain himself? and yes again, Or his servant? and again. If you come at this in the right way, you've got the solution well within reach, here. HINT:try ro reconstruct the gist of the conversation that occurred...

Did the company know that St. Germain was immortal? They knew what he claimed.Did they believe that he was immortal? {probably not really, or they would have believed his anecdote.} If no to either one of them: did St. Germain and his servant give proofs of their immortality? for both: not proof, really, but they had an exchange that could be evidence...
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, did the conversation run something like this:

Comte: So there I was, talking to the Lionheart after he and his buddy Philip had taken Acre...

Unconvinced Guest: Gimme a break, that's 500 years ago!

Comte (to servant): Funny, that's what Galileo said too when I told him the story!

Servant: At least he believed you when you suggested that Copernicus was right.

Anything like that?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 10:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 08:58 pm

So, did the conversation run something like this:

Comte: So there I was, talking to the Lionheart after he and his buddy Philip had taken Acre...

Unconvinced Guest: Gimme a break, that's 500 years ago!

Really, really close. Check the timeline that's been established by previous answers...

Comte (to servant): And this bit, Funny, that's what Galileo said too when I told him the story! but not this part.

Servant: This bit, yes, At least he believed you when you suggested that Copernicus was right.
but no, here.

Anything like that?
You've got the form of the conversation right, and the start of it. You're really almost there!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 10:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, and don't worry about working Galileo into it--he's -so- tangential and it's so much a tenuous link to a piece of information that you've pretty much already got that he's irrelevant at this point.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok...another try...

Comte: So there I was, talking to the Lionheart after he and his buddy Philip had taken Acre...

Unconvinced Guest: Gimme a break, that's impossible. The Third Crusade was 550 years ago!

Comte (to servant): That's funny. I think you said something similar when I first told you this story.

Servant: Yeah, but I've learned a lot in the 300 years since!

Anywhere closer?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 5:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 12:17 am

Ok...another try...

Comte: So there I was, talking to the Lionheart after he and his buddy Philip had taken Acre...

Unconvinced Guest: Gimme a break, that's impossible. The Third Crusade was 550 years ago!
That'll do for this bit! YAY!

Comte (to servant): That's funny. I think you said something similar when I first told you this story.
Closer, but still not right.

Servant: Yeah, but I've learned a lot in the 300 years since! Much closer! The servant's response did indeed include a reference to the amount of time he'd been with St Germain!

Anywhere closer? Lots!
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 3:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did St. Germain's remark to his servant include a reference on how they became immortal?

Is the servant 500 years old relative to today? Or relative to the time of the puzzle?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 03:29 pm

Did St. Germain's remark to his servant include a reference on how they became immortal? No.

Is the servant 500 years old relative to today? Or relative to the time of the puzzle? Relative to the time of the puzzle.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So the servant was born shortly after Richard died?

Did the Comte ask his servant if he told his story any differently 500 years ago?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 08:31 pm

So the servant was born shortly after Richard died?
YES!
Did the Comte ask his servant if he told his story any differently 500 years ago? Not quite, but you're warm enough to be in shorts and a tank top now.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the Comte try to verify some details of his story about the Lionheart with his servant?

Did his servant say something to the effect of having heard the same story from another source some 500+ years ago?

The kinda speaking with dead people part referenced way back earlier in this puzzle -- was it a reference to the Comte's conversation with Richard?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 03:51 pm

Did the Comte try to verify some details of his story about the Lionheart with his servant? YES!

Did his servant say something to the effect of having heard the same story from another source some 500+ years ago? No.

The kinda speaking with dead people part referenced way back earlier in this puzzle -- was it a reference to the Comte's conversation with Richard? Yes, it was. I was being very literal that day...
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 6:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You say I'm very warm, but I admit to running close to empty here. :(

Did the servant claim that he cannot verify the details of the Comte's story because he was born after Richard had died?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 7:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 06:59 pm

You say I'm very warm, but I admit to running close to empty here. No, really, with this question, you're close enough for me to $poil. You've got everything except the exact words, and I'm not evil enough to demand them...

Did the servant claim that he cannot verify the details of the Comte's story because he was born after Richard had died? Essentially, yes.

SPOILER:

An aged and wealthy alchemist could claim with seeming plausibility that he was prolonging his life by his magic; whereas a younger man might assert that, knowing the great secret, he was keeping himself young through the centuries. In either case such a statement, or rumor, about a learned and wealthy alchemist was likely to be believed, particularly among strangers; and as such a man would, of course, be the object of much attention, the claim was frequently made by persons seeking notoriety.

One of the most celebrated of these impostors was a certain Count de Saint-Germain, who was connected with the court of Louis XV. His statements carried the more weight because, having apparently no means of maintenance, he continued to live in affluence year after year--for two thousand years, as he himself admitted--by means of the magic stone. If at any time his statements were doubted, he was in the habit of referring to his valet for confirmation, this valet being also under the influence of the elixir of life.

"Upon one occasion his master was telling a party of ladies and gentlemen, at dinner, some conversation he had had in Palestine, with King Richard I., of England, whom he described as a very particular friend of his. Signs of astonishment and incredulity were visible on the faces of the company, upon which Saint-Germain very coolly turned to his servant, who stood behind his chair, and asked him if he had not spoken the truth.

'I really cannot say,' replied the man, without moving a muscle; 'you forget, sir, I have been only five hundred years in your service.'

'Ah, true,' said his master, 'I remember now; it was a little before your time!' "


Thank you for sticking with this one, Haenlomal. You handled it well.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whew! I was about to toss in the towel too. I must admit that the valet's formulation of his reply to the good Comte is better than my own.

Thanks for an interesting puzzle. :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BTW, the reason I warned you off following the Galileo clue was that it was
Galileo --> scientist --> experimentation --> alchemy --> Philosopher's Stone --> Elixer of Life --> immortality.

Tortured and tenuous; and it wouldn't really have advanced the solution, either... The Grail led to a similar chain (Grail --> Templars --> Jerusalem --> Crusades --> Palestine --> Richard I.) that would have been equally unhelpful.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tortured and tenuous indeed!

Now that I have helped put away your puzzle, would you mind trying to help me put away my rulebreaker?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 10:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll try, but I don't do well on rulebreakers in general. Pattern analysis isn't my strong suit

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