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Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 6:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Riddles, Robots, and Ratings... Oh my!

In my last riddle I mentioned that you never stop learning in my field (Engineering/Robotics). However, it never occured to me just how far reaching that fact would be. I belatedly realized that I've picked up a new skill thanks to my work. It's something completely unexpected. What is it?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Limbo dancing?

Is it a physical skill? or a mental skill?

lol... I couldn't post a moment ago because I put question marks at the end of my username and password...
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Limbo dancing? No.

Is it a physical skill? Yes. or a mental skill? No.

lol... I couldn't post a moment ago because I put question marks at the end of my username and password... You've been thoroughly corrupted by this site. Congratulations.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it involve:
strength?
dexterity?
endurance?
coordination?
balance?
speed?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 6:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it involve:
strength? No.
dexterity? Yes.
endurance? Noish.
coordination? Yes.
balance? No.
speed? No.
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 7:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Juggling?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Juggling? No.
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A skill that is either useful or required for you to work that can be applied to other things? Is a joystick relevant? Computer games? Games?

Skill in using particular kinds of equipment or tools? To a specific task?

Applying tape or matches to your eyelids to keep them open so you can sleep on the job? ( ha ha )

Is the skill ...
- Any kind of manipulation of things?
- Making things?
- Changing things?
- Assembling things?
- Recreational outside the job?
- Breaking things?

Any "things" actually involved?
Does the skill take more than average coordination and dexterity or physical abilities? Like being a contortionist would?

Something an average person could easily learn through practise?

Even though it's a physical skill, would you say a person with an I.Q of 100 or less is likely to have it?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A skill that is either useful or required for you to work that can be applied to other things? Yes Is a joystick relevant?Yes! Computer games? I haven't checked this yet. But no, not what I was thinking of.Games? No.

Skill in using particular kinds of equipment or tools? No To a specific task? Yes.

Applying tape or matches to your eyelids to keep them open so you can sleep on the job? No ( ha ha )

Is the skill ...
- Any kind of manipulation of things? Yesish
- Making things? No
- Changing things? No
- Assembling things? No
- Recreational outside the job? Yes
- Breaking things? No. Really hope not.

Any "things" actually involved? Rephrase/break down/elaborate, please.
Does the skill take more than average coordination and dexterity or physical abilities? No
Like being a contortionist would? No

Something an average person could easily learn through practise? YesISH. Some more easily than others...

Even though it's a physical skill, would you say a person with an I.Q of 100 or less is likely to have it? Equally.
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 6:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By "Any «things« actually involved", I meant to ask if a physical object or objects are either the end result of use of the skill or the thing the skill is applied to.

Is the skill the use of joystick? At a specific task? Are you using the joystick to steer a robot? You said the skill required coordination. Did you mean coordination in steering the robot? I mean, it takes skill to control a complex robot intuitively.

In case you are steering a robot, does it move?

Umm ... is that robot crane that picks up plush toys from inside glass boxes relevant? You know, the one in fairs and such.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By "Any «things« actually involved", I meant to ask if a physical object or objects are either the end result of use of the skill or the thing the skill is applied to. No. The joystick is only applicable to learning the skill

Is the skill the use of joystick? Yesish. At a specific task? Yes. Are you using the joystick to steer a robot? At work, yes. You said the skill required coordination. Yes. Did you mean coordination in steering the robot? Yes for learning the skill, but No for the actual skill. I mean, it takes skill to control a complex robot intuitively. Yes, it does.

In case you are steering a robot, does it move? Of course.

Umm ... is that robot crane that picks up plush toys from inside glass boxes relevant? No, but I should try that. You know, the one in fairs and such.

RECAP: You guys have guessed correctly HOW I learned the skill in question (thanks to the robots/joysticks at work). Now you're looking for how it applies elsewhere (the ACTUAL skill in question).
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 10:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Getting those stuffed things with that pesky claw-thing on those machines?
Playing video games?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 7:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Getting those stuffed things with that pesky claw-thing on those machines? No.
Playing video games? No.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 9:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the ACTUAL skill involve a joystick? or a similar controller or joystick-like device?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the ACTUAL skill involve a joystick? NO. Good question. or a similar controller or joystick-like device? No.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 1:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it involve a game of any kind? a sport?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 1:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it involve a game of any kind? Noish a sport? No
Ozymandias (Ozymandias)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 7:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the skill useful for only one kind of action? Is it useful in a general action (like cooking, for example) made of many sub-actions that have to be coordinated with each other? is the skill related to your quickness of response to perceived stimuli (I suppose a lot of good reflexes must be needed to guide a robot through a joystick...)?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the skill useful for only one kind of action? Based on how many other guesses people are coming up with... no. Is it useful in a general action (like cooking, for example) made of many sub-actions that have to be coordinated with each other? It could be... but no. is the skill related to your quickness of response to perceived stimuli Yesish. (I suppose a lot of good reflexes must be needed to guide a robot through a joystick...)?
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Driving related? Switching gears?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 11:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Driving related? No.
Switching gears? No.
Ozymandias (Ozymandias)
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the activity involve a physical task performed using both hands? One hand only? Is direct interaction (ie not through the phone or the net) with at least one otherperson involved? Is there a specific item that you manipulate while performing this activity? Does the activity involve speaking? Writing? hand-gesturing?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 11:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the activity involve a physical task performed using both hands? It could... One hand only? Most likely. Is direct interaction (ie not through the phone or the net) with at least one other person involved? In my case, YES. Is there a specific item that you manipulate while performing this activity? Yes. Does the activity involve speaking? You CAN talk while doing this... but it's not required. Writing? No. hand-gesturing?No.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 6:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is handedness relevant? Have you developed a (greater?) degree of ambidexterity?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 12:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is handedness relevant? No.
Have you developed a (greater?) degree of ambidexterity? No.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Other person involved: child? Adult? Gender relevant?

Is this activity something which is over fairly quickly? Does it take some time? Less than five minutes? Between five and 10? Between 10 and 15? More than 15?
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 6:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

... a handjob?
Sorry, just covering the angles that pop up in my head.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Other person involved: child? Adult?I hope so. Gender relevant? YES.

Is this activity something which is over fairly quickly? Depends. Does it take some time? Yeah. Less than five minutes? Between five and 10? Between 10 and 15? More than 15? 15 minutes according to the ongoing joke.

... a handjob? DING DING DING
Sorry, just covering the angles that pop up in my head. Good thing you did, too...

Which means it's time for the...
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

**********************SPOILER*****************
I was with my boyfriend for a week, right before I started my new job. I flew out to see him a month after I'd started. I had done nothing special in the interrim other than learn how to use/control/program the robots and apply them to various projects. During this visit he commented that my... ahem... technique had improved drastically. So much so that it was actually pleasurable rather than just something that he humored me with. The day I posted this riddle was the day I realized that my "joystick" handling was an interchangeable skill. Given that I've rarely played video games that used joysticks (Or had a home-grown one to play with), it might explain why my technique wasn't up to par to begin with. But the verdict is in: I now know why guys love going into robotics and why they wish more women would go into it too. Hurrah for oddball job skills.

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