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Dref (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 10:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My question was supposed to be real! ;)

Is your work wholly weightless?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My question was supposed to be real! ;) My apologies ;-)

Is your work wholly weightless? If you are talking about my poetry - no!
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 3:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have you written the poetry on very heavy or many sheets of paper?

And, yes, that is a real question! :)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have you written the poetry on very heavy or many sheets of paper? Again - logical but No
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 12:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have you put your poetry up on the forum at some point? Perhaps to illustrate a point?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 12:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've just got your title! :O:O
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have you put your poetry up on the forum at some point? Yes
Perhaps to illustrate a point? Yes

I've just got your title! :)
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The poem about weightless poetry? Or the one about creationsim?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The poem about weightless poetry? This one!
The Chat Room / Simon Downham (Beroean) on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 09:18 am:
Or the one about creationsim?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact you had text in white in your weightless poem relevant?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact you had text in white in your weightless poem relevant? Yes indeed
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In that case, is the idea that a weightless poet isn't a weightless poet when he isn't really a poet?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In that case, is the idea that a weightless poet isn't a weightless poet when he isn't really a poet? No - Yope
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The weightless poet isn't a weightless poet when the "heavy" stuff is hidden under whitetext? That a weightless poet isn't a weightless poet if he employs lateral trickery?

Any other weightless poems in the LTPF relevant?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 10:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The weightless poet isn't a weightless poet when the "heavy" stuff is hidden under whitetext? No

That a weightless poet isn't a weightless poet if he employs lateral trickery? Yesish ...

Any other weightless poems in the LTPF relevant? No

You are almost there. What was the context in which the weightless poem was written - what was it commenting on?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 10:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It wasn't truly created in a zero-g enviroment?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I trust that the "original" limerick about the young man from Devizes is not relevant?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 1:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haen
It wasn't truly created in a zero-g enviroment? Quite possibly and thanks for bearing with this.

You were nearer to the answer in your previous post and in fact had the answer. I guess that all I am looking for now, is an explanation as to why the poem appears to be weightless but is in fact not weightless.

Having taken another look at it, I think that my idea is somewhat obscure and I may have isolated myself on a wave length here. See what you think.

I'll post the solution tomorrow but feel welcome to make further posts.


David
I trust that the "original" limerick about the young man from Devizes is not relevant?
Oh dear. No doubt the original is colourful. I think I was at school when I last heard a limerick about Devizes. I couldn't remember the words or the ideas of the original when I composed mine.

Anyway, No the original is not relevant
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 1:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There was a young man from Japan
Whose verses would never quite scan.
When they asked him why,
He was heard to reply
"Well, it's because I always try to get as many words into the last line as I possibly can."
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 5:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That a weightless poet isn't weightless when his apparently weightless poems in fact contribute materially to the conversation?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That a weightless poet isn't weightless when his apparently weightless poems in fact contribute materially to the conversation? I like it!

The notion I had assumes that weightlessness is literal and relates to the limerick in The Chat Room by Simon Downham (Beroean) on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 09:18 am (involving the 3 lines hidden by white text between the visible lines one and two.)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

************** SPOILER **************

This puzzle is nonsense

I blame Woubit and Sciguy47 ...

Woubit regularly posts and makes comments about “Weightless Poetry”.

In the Chatroom Sciguy asked, “What's so weightless about weightless poetry?” (May 23, 2005 - 09:26 pm)

Woubit’s reply in part was, “It doesn't weigh anything.” (May 23, 2005 - 10:45 pm )There followed some comments about the literal weight (pounds and ounces / grammes) of poetry.

I joined in the spirit of silliness and suggested that there was no such thing as weightless poetry. However, I proceeded to make reference to a poem that appeared to weigh nothing. I posted this on May 24, 2005 - 09:18 am and here it is below:



“Here is an example of a poem that does in fact weigh two and a half pounds (8 ounces per line) but as you can see, the top line at least appears to be weightless, as it begins to drift upwards.”


There once was a bard from Devizes
As you can see the poet was a fake.
He employed lateral trickery
To induce an illusion!

Who gave his poems the rises
He hired out a boat
Sent his poems afloat
And watched them drift up to the skysies


The implication was that the top line of the limerick weighed nothing and was therefore literally weightless. However, if you select the white text hidden between the first and second line of the poem you see that weightlessness is merely an illusion because the top line is not floating at all – it is being held aloft by the 3 hidden lines of white text. The text is not weightless at all. It’s a trick! Therefore the poet is a fake!

Hence:
Question: When is a weightless poet not a weightless poet?

Answer: When he ‘s a fake (who uses lateral trickery to induce the illusion)!

Boom Boom
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Obscure, esoteric, but clever! :)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ode to Dref

There was a young puzzler called Fred
Who earned lots of lateral cred
Using scifi and mystery
With Lucas Arts history
Or cadavers and corpses instead

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