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Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The gouvernment of a Belgian town recently gave its residents 6.000 hens. Why?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did each person, or each family, get an individual hen? Or were they kept in a collective chicken farm?

Had the residents demanded that the hens be released from battery cages? From scientific testing?
Einar Berg (Grainbeer)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 5:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

True story? FYOI?

Were these hens ordinary, live hens? Dead, but ordinary hens? All hens grown-up, female poultry?

Did the number of hens in any way correspond with the number of households in that town?

Were the residents expected to keep these hens permanently?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did each person, or each family, get an individual hen? each person Or were they kept in a collective chicken farm?

Had the residents demanded that the hens be released from battery cages? no From scientific testing? no

True story? yes FYOI?

Were these hens ordinary, live hens? yes Dead, but ordinary hens? All hens grown-up, female poultry? I guess so

Did the number of hens in any way correspond with the number of households in that town? no, but with the number of residents

Were the residents expected to keep these hens permanently? yope
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was each resident expected to maintain their own hen? or were they allowed to give the hen to someone else to maintain once they had received it?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was each resident expected to maintain their own hen? a bit of this... or were they allowed to give the hen to someone else to maintain once they had received it? and a bit of this. define 'maintain'
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 12:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maintain: Keep on the property, house, feed, provide care for, gather eggs from?

Let me try a rephrase: If I were one of the people living in this town, once I had received my hen, could I take it to the family down the road and give it to them? Or would I be required to keep it myself?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 12:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could I give to them to house as long as I paid for its food?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 2:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the residents expected to do something with the chickens, like gather the eggs for some town function? Or cook the chickens for some similar reason?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 8:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maintain: Keep on the property, house, feed, provide care for, gather eggs from? each resident was expected to feed his hen. they were allowed to let someone else do all the other things.

Let me try a rephrase: If I were one of the people living in this town, once I had received my hen, could I take it to the family down the road and give it to them? yes, given you still feed it Or would I be required to keep it myself? no

Could I give to them to house as long as I paid for its food? no!

Were the residents expected to do something with the chickens, like gather the eggs for some town function? noish Or cook the chickens for some similar reason? no, they are supposed to stay alive
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does each resident physically have to feed the chicken? Does this include month-old babies?
Einar Berg (Grainbeer)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 3:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this feeding of hens supposed to go on as long as the hens stayed alive? Were the residents supposed to keep the hens as long as they stayed alive?

Would the government´s intentions be achieved also if you substitute hens with another species of animal? Another species of bird? Turkeys? I have a puzzle going on involving turkeys... :) - see "Destiny´s children" Cocks? Chicken?

Would the government impose a penalty on those who skipped the feeding, or had someone else feed them?
Badger Bristle (Nagrom)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this have anything to do with the dioxin episode in the summer of 1999? Did it occur in the last century? Before the last century? Where the hens contaminated? Where their eggs contaminated? Was there anything wrong with the hens in general that the government decided to give them away? did they 'give them away'? Did they do it in payment? Was there a food shortage? Were they hoping to see any kind of results from the event? Where they any requirements to the kind of hen that the government could give away? such as age, sex, health status, etc? Could this happen in any country? Has anything like this ever happened, to an extent similar or more extreme? Where there punishments if the hens were not 'maintained'?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does each resident physically have to feed the chicken? no Does this include month-old babies? the non-physical feeding? yes


Was this feeding of hens supposed to go on as long as the hens stayed alive? yes Were the residents supposed to keep the hens as long as they stayed alive? they didn't have to keep the hens at all

Would the government´s intentions be achieved also if you substitute hens with another species of animal? probably Another species of bird? probably not Turkeys? probably I have a puzzle going on involving turkeys... :) - see "Destiny´s children" I understood that subtle hint Cocks? very likely Chicken? is there a difference between hens and chicken?

Would the government impose a penalty on those who skipped the feeding, or had someone else feed them? I guess so, but I'm not sure.


Does this have anything to do with the dioxin episode in the summer of 1999? no Did it occur in the last century? It occured this year Where the hens contaminated? no Where their eggs contaminated? no Was there anything wrong with the hens in general that the government decided to give them away? no did they 'give them away'? They bought them in order to give them to the residents, if that is what you ask Did they do it in payment? no Was there a food shortage? no Were they hoping to see any kind of results from the event? yes indeed Where they any requirements to the kind of hen that the government could give away? I dont think so such as age, sex, health status, etc? none of those, at any rate Could this happen in any country? in any first-world-country, at any rate Has anything like this ever happened, to an extent similar or more extreme? not to my limited knowledge Where there punishments if the hens were not 'maintained'? I don't know, but it's not unlikely
Einar Berg (Grainbeer)
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the reasons for this municipal enterprise related to:
public economy? private economy? tourism? publicity? education? public information? security? fire control? health? social welfare? Town planning? Water, gas or electricity supply? Waste handling? Sewage? Pollution control? Ecosystem? Environment? Traffic system? Taxing and fiscal system? The bilingual challenge between French and Flemish? Local history and traditions? Religious motives?

Were there strong different opinions among the politicians regarding this enterprise? Among the bureaucrats? In the public opinion? Or an overall big consensus?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 1:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the reasons for this municipal enterprise related to: Waste handling? this one :)

Were there strong different opinions among the politicians regarding this enterprise? I would believe so Among the bureaucrats? see last answer In the public opinion? s.l.a. Or an overall big consensus? I doubt that
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 6:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Waste-handling + each resident expected to (non-physically) feed their own hen = Were the hens provided to cut down on the amount of food waste going into the city landfill?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 9:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Waste-handling + each resident expected to (non-physically) feed their own hen = Were the hens provided to cut down on the amount of food waste going into the city landfill? well done, that's good enough for the ...
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 9:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

As the disposal of biological waste became more and more expensive, the gouvernment of a Belgian town (which name I just forgot) decided to go another way. The trash cans (for biological waste) were removed, and every of the 6000 residents was given a hen.
Hens supposedly eat anything biological, and a single chicken will eat about as much as the average person produces. The residents where allowed to give their hens to other households, given they still carry over their bio-trash to feed them.

Trash hens instead of trash cans, so to speak.

Another one-pager. Well done folks :)
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, did it work? :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm. Our town provides composting bins...
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 7:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know - but I have doubts...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 01, 2005 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do too. I can think of a fair number of types of bio-wastes that I wouldn't want to feed to a chicken.

I wonder, what did they do with all the chicken bio-waste?

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