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John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the scratches caused by more than one object? were they caused by a solid object?
Was the car going through a tunnel?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the scratches caused by more than one object? Most likely were they caused by a solid object? Very likely
Was the car going through a tunnel? No
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 5:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it one long scratch? Many tiny scratches? A moderate amount of scratches? Just trying to ascertain the exact damage done to the hand and arm
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it one long scratch? Many tiny scratches? A moderate amount of scratches? Just trying to ascertain the exact damage done to the hand and arm Enough damage to be considered a bit serious. I would say lotsa bruises and scratches
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let me see if I got this story straight so far: a man is riding in a car, and has either lit up or was about to lit up cigarette. Somehow, it slips from his hand and flies out the window. In an attempt to retrieve the cigarette, the man's arm makes contact with many man-made solid objects outside the car and causes considerable damage to said arm. Is this accurate?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let me see if I got this story straight so far:OK, Lets Go a man is riding in a car, Right till now and has either lit up Was lit already or was about to lit up cigarette. Somehow, it slips from his hand and flies out the window. You have hit it on the head till now In an attempt to retrieve the cigarette, This right too the man's arm makes contact with many man-made solid objects outside the car and causes considerable damage to said arm. This is the part that is not necessarily fully right. The objects might not be all man made! Not really relevant though. And not only his arm was injured. Is this accurate?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Somehow, it slips from his hand and flies out the window. You have hit it on the head till now

The cigarette did not slip from the man's hand? (if no, did he throw it out?) The cigarette did not fly out of the window?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 3:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Somehow, it slips from his hand and flies out the window. You have hit it on the head till now

What I meant was - you are perfectly right till now
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 4:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The cigarette did not slip from the man's hand? (if no, did he throw it out?) The cigarette did not fly out of the window? So, it did slip and fly out of his window
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 9:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, what we still have to discover is only which kind of object caused the injures? Or something else?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 12:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, what we still have to discover is only which kind of object caused the injures? Or something else? That is a part of the thing. And I guess yes, you will have most of the solution with that if you can put it together from there.
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, let's explore a bit more the moment of the accident.
You say that not only his hand and arm have been injured. But, are these the only part of his body which are out of the window during the accident? Or, for example, his arm got caught somewhere, so that he was pulled out of the car?
Generally, is there a moment during the accident when some other parts of his body are out of the window? If so, head? Shoulder? Neck? Chest? Legs? The whole body?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 1:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, let's explore a bit more the moment of the accident. Definitely, A good idea as you will see
You say that not only his hand and arm have been injured. Yes! But, are these the only part of his body which are out of the window during the accident? No, I never said that Or, for example, his arm got caught somewhere, so that he was pulled out of the car? Yope
Generally, is there a moment during the accident when some other parts of his body are out of the window? If so, head? Shoulder? Neck? Chest? Legs? The whole body? Precisely! All his body!

Now, if you could ask a coupla more questiuons and put it altogether!
LEWIS ZEITERS (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the original contact what led to him exiting the vehicle, or is it that say, someone outside the vehicle hit his hand as he was reaching out, and this led him to stop the vehicle and confront the individual?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 1:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the original contact what led to him exiting the vehicle, What original contact? or is it that say, someone outside the vehicle hit his hand as he was reaching out, and this led him to stop the vehicle and confront the individual? None of these
LEWIS ZEITERS (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 2:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The original 'contact' of the man-made items that caused the original injury when he started to throw the cigarette out the window --- Did this relate in some way or precipitate his leaving the vehicle?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When trying to grab the cigarette, did he just put his arm out? Or did he lean more?
Did he want or intended to completely leave the car, or the fact that all his body was outside the car was accidental? (sorry for the awful sentence :))
Did he open the car door? (I frankly don't think so, but you never know...)
Or did he hit something outside the car which caused him to be thrown out from the car?
Are part of his wounds caused by a fall on the road from the car?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By LEWIS ZEITERS (Lzeiters)

The original 'contact' of the man-made items that caused the original injury when he started to throw the cigarette out the window --- Did this relate in some way or precipitate his leaving the vehicle? There is a FA in there somewhere. But not to worry, help follows

By Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)

When trying to grab the cigarette, did he just put his arm out? Or did he lean more? \b(This)
Did he want or intended to completely leave the car, or the fact that all his body was outside the car was accidental? (sorry for the awful sentence ) It wasnt intentional
Did he open the car door? (I frankly don't think so, but you never know...) No, he didnt
Or did he hit something outside the car which caused him to be thrown out from the car? Nor this
Are part of his wounds caused by a fall on the road from the car? Yes. In fact, most likely ALL of them
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mumble mumble...
So, he was leaning out of the window to rescue his cigarette, when suddenly due to some external factor we have to find he fell out of the car, causing himself several wounds... we still have to find the cause of this unwanted "jump":
A sudden acceleration of the car? Another bump in the road? A sharp braking?
In fact, actually, during all this the car was still moving, wasn't it? It didn't stop, right?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 5:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mumble mumble...
So, he was leaning out of the window to rescue his cigarette, when suddenly due to some external factor we have to find he fell out of the car, causing himself several wounds... we still have to find the cause of this unwanted "jump":
A sudden acceleration of the car? Not This Another bump in the road? Not this A sharp braking? Nor this
In fact, actually, during all this the car was still moving, wasn't it? It didn't stop, right? It didnt stop till after this
LEWIS ZEITERS (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the car hit something? manmade? animal? person? Plant?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the car hit something? manmade? animal? person? Plant? Nothing wrong happened to the car and nothing wrong was done by the car!
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The cause of his "jump" from the car was:
related to some unexpected movement of the car?
simply due to an excessive leaning out of the car, and a consequent loss of balance?
due to another factor?
If so, human (the driver, or a third person)? animal? vegetable? natural? man-made?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 4:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The cause of his "jump" from the car was:
related to some unexpected movement of the car? Not this
simply due to an excessive leaning out of the car, and a consequent loss of balance? This, most likely, which was.....
due to another factor? ....because of this
If so, human (the driver, or a third person)? animal? vegetable? natural? man-made? No to most....maybe yesish for man-made
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And we are back to the beginning :)
So, did he hit something while leaning out of the window? Something which caused his fall, but not his wounds?
If so, how many things did he hit? 1? 2? etc.
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And we are back to the beginning No, actually, we are not! In fact, the only thing left to figure out was why he fell at all
So, did he hit something while leaning out of the window? Something which caused his fall, but not his wounds?
If so, how many things did he hit? 1? 2? etc. This has already been sorted out. Let me clarify. He hit the road and all other possible associated things one hits when one falls from a moving automobile on a road. This lead to injuries and trauma on arms, legs, face, nose and eyes. Now find out, why did he fall or better still what induced such behavior? There arent that many things that do! :)
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 11:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, my question was whether his fall was caused by hitting something, not his injuries; for the injuries everything is clear. But I really cannot imagine how he lost his balance... I will think about it during my lunch break :)
LEWIS ZEITERS (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 1:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His dog jumped out the window chasing the cigarette, thinking it was time to play, and the man tried to reach out and save it and fell out of the car?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, my question was whether his fall was caused by hitting something, not his injuries; for the injuries everything is clear. But I really cannot imagine how he lost his balance... I will think about it during my lunch break *chuckle* It will help you more if you thought about it with dinner etc..
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His dog jumped out the window chasing the cigarette, thinking it was time to play, and the man tried to reach out and save it and fell out of the car? No, nothing as complex as that!
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to get his cigarette back for some reason?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 3:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to get his cigarette back for some reason? Yes. As simple as reason as to wanting to smoke it back. Smokers here would know how that feeling is!
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 3:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he half asleep when he lost his cigarette, and jumped out of the car without realizing it was moving?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 4:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he half asleep when he lost his cigarette, and jumped out of the car without realizing it was moving? No...but very much OTRT
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 4:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He didn't simply jump out of the window after the cigarette did he?
Did he lean out so far that his feet swung up and hit the driver?
Was he half asleep when he lost the cigarette?
Was it a regular tobacco cigarette?
a1415925 (A1415925)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 4:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he drunk?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 5:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland)

He didn't simply jump out of the window after the cigarette did he? Quite likely he did
Did he lean out so far that his feet swung up and hit the driver? No
Was he half asleep when he lost the cigarette? Not asleep...but something else...see below
Was it a regular tobacco cigarette? Yes

By a1415925 (A1415925)

Was he drunk? Yes, you got it! Now will someone put it all together?
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 9:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now will someone put it all together?

Well, I will take this honnour :)
So, a guy is sitting in a car, drunk, and he's smoking a cigarette. Suddenly, a bump on the street causes his cigarette to slip out of his hand and fly outside the car window. He then tries to catch it up, leaning outside the window, but as he was drunk, he lost his balance and fell on the ground, causing himself several injuries.
Everything correct?
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 10:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I will take this honnour
So, a guy is sitting in a car, drunk, and he's smoking a cigarette. Suddenly, a bump on the street causes his cigarette to slip out of his hand and fly outside the car window. He then tries to catch it up, leaning outside the window, but as he was drunk, he lost his balance and fell on the ground, causing himself several injuries.
Everything correct? More or less and this definitely calls for a

*********SPOILER***********

FOREMAN, Ark. - A leap of faith proved hazardous for a smoker in need of a cigarette fix after a night on the town.

Jeff Foran suffered trauma to his nose, eyes and chin after jumping from a car traveling 55-60 mph. Authorities said he was trying to retrieve a cigarette blown out of the passenger-side window.

Foran, 38, took the leap Saturday night, state police Trooper Jamie Gravier said.

The driver of the car, Jerry Glenn Nelson, said Foran had asked him earlier in the evening to be a designated driver after a night of drinking.

"Nelson said Foran was smoking a cigarette when it blew out the window and Foran jumped out the window to retrieve the cigarette. Nelson said he was driving between 55 and 60 mph when Foran jumped out," the trooper said.

“Foran did the right thing and asked his buddy to drive him home,” Gravier said. “It was obvious he was extremely intoxicated.”

Gravier added: “If anything could make him stop smoking, this should be it. The man is lucky to be alive.”


Great work there Mattiel, Lzeiters, Wunderland and everyone else who participated....Guess I need to give up smoking or drinking....Tough Choice!!
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 12:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great work there Mattiel, Lzeiters, Wunderland and everyone else who participated....Guess I need to give up smoking or drinking....Tough Choice!!
Thanks, really nice puzzle! And... Ok, I do not smoke, but I can hardly decide to stop drinking :)

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