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Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it special
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 9:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant what color the balloon was? No
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the balloon moving freely? Or is it driven by someone? Through a wire? Through electronic command? Does it have some propulsion system (like hot air baloons have, for example)?
Diametre of the balloon: 10 cm? 20? 30? .... 1 m? 2? 5? etc.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the balloon moving freely? Yes
Or is it driven by someone? Through a wire? No
Through electronic command? Does it have some propulsion system (like hot air baloons have, for example)? No to both
Diametre of the balloon: 10 cm? 20? 30? .... 1 m? 2? 5? etc. Not relevant - average sized balloon, possibly a little bit larger than average
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it like a party balloon? or like a weather balloon? Does it have shaving cream in it? Were the unconscious ones unconscious because they were walking and they stepping on a rake and the handle hit them in the head?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it like a party balloon? Yes, something simple like that
or like a weather balloon? No, not this big or elaborate
Does it have shaving cream in it? No
Were the unconscious ones unconscious because they were walking and they stepping on a rake and the handle hit them in the head? No, but you have the right kind of idea that explains why one of them was unconscious
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the person in second place "knocked out"? the person in third?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the third person gone into the dark room in search of the balloon? In an attempt to locate the balloon? (using GPS or something - you never know, the way technology is evolving these days...)
Does the first person have the balloon in their hand? Were there several balloons in the competition?
(I'm trying to figure out how you can get 'third place' in a competition that involves chasing something)
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the person in second place "knocked out"? the person in third? Yes, they both were

Had the third person gone into the dark room in search of the balloon? No
In an attempt to locate the balloon? No
(using GPS or something - you never know, the way technology is evolving these days...) Yeah really - I'm just waiting for the order to report to have the microchip implanted into my forehead to "they" can always know where I am...

Does the first person have the balloon in their hand? Yes
Were there several balloons in the competition? Just one
(I'm trying to figure out how you can get 'third place' in a competition that involves chasing something) Don't think about it that way, since in this type of race there's really only one person who matters and that is the winner, or "first finisher". The idea of any other place finishers is really just a way of describing the outcome of the race. A few questions about this may help unfold the events that lead to the solution.
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the third person go into the room voluntarily? Whilst conscious?
Were both 2 and 3 knocked out whilst looking for the balloon? Did either of them have the balloon in sight when they were knocked out?
Was person 2 in some sense 'closer' to getting the balloon than person 3?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the second or third place winners get a trophy? Any prize? Relevant?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the third person go into the room voluntarily? No
Whilst conscious? Yes
Were both 2 and 3 knocked out whilst looking for the balloon? Yes - 'looking for' may be a bit misleading, but you're definately on the right track here
Did either of them have the balloon in sight when they were knocked out? YES
Was person 2 in some sense 'closer' to getting the balloon than person 3? YES

did the second or third place winners get a trophy? Any prize? Relevant? No one except the 'first place' finisher was to receive anything. As far as the actual race went, no one was really keeping up with who finished in any place other than first.
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 5:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did person three spend so much time watchikng the ballon that he fell? fell down a hole? otherwise fell into a cave?

did person 2 walk into something becasue he was watching the baloon? into a wall?

did either fall a great height? because they had climbed high up to reach the balloon?

was the ballon on ground level when caught? higher? did the participents need to climb anything to reach it? relelvent if so?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the winner in any way involved in the becoming unconscious of the two runners up? Deliberately?
Was there anyone consciously involved in the knocking out of person 2? person 3?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did person three spend so much time watchikng the ballon that he fell? Yes
fell down a hole? Yes
otherwise fell No
into a cave? Not a cave, explore

did person 2 walk into something becasue he was watching the baloon? No into a wall? N/A

did either fall a great height? Well, enough to cause a negative result
because they had climbed high up to reach the balloon? In one case, yes

was the ballon on ground level when caught? NO
higher? Yes
did the participents need to climb anything to reach it? YES
relelvent if so? Yes

Was the winner in any way involved in the becoming unconscious of the two runners up? No
Deliberately? No
Was there anyone consciously involved in the knocking out of person 2? person 3? No to both
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 11:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did person three fall from a great height? from ground level?
Was person 3's fall caused simply by his looking at the balloon and therefore not paying attention to where he was going?
Did something fall onto person 2? someone? person 3?
Did the participants have to climb a ladder? stairs? a mountain? a building? Something man-made? something natural?
Was it person 2 that had climbed? person 3?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 2:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did person three fall from a great height? Sufficient to knock him out
from ground level? Yes
Was person 3's fall caused simply by his looking at the balloon and therefore not paying attention to where he was going? YES
Did something fall onto person 2? No
someone? No person 3? No
Did the participants have to climb a ladder? No
stairs? No
a mountain? No
a building? No
Something man-made? No
something natural? Yes
Was it person 2 that had climbed? Yes, and...
person 3? No, person 3 never climbed
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 4:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the balloon moving whilst they were looking for it? Was it at the top of a hill? a large rock? a tree? a cliff? a sand dune? a giant pumpkin?
Did person 3 fall down a manhole? (sorry, I just have to ask!)
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the balloon moving whilst they were looking for it? Yes
Was it at the top of a hill? a large rock? No to these
a tree? YES, at some point, explore here...
a cliff? a sand dune? a giant pumpkin? No, but the pumpkin is a nice idea
Did person 3 fall down a manhole? (sorry, I just have to ask!) Yes, that's exactly what happened to him, only 2 other people to worry about now
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 12:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did person 2 climb a tree to try and get it? Person 1?
Is person 1 at the top of a tree when he has the balloon in his hand? He does have the balloon in his hand at the end, right?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did person 2 climb a tree to try and get it? YES
Person 1? Yes, but with a different result
Is person 1 at the top of a tree when he has the balloon in his hand? He does have the balloon in his hand at the end, right? Yes to both of these

Only a minor detail left before this one is solved
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Monday, July 04, 2005 - 2:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did a branch break, and person 2 fall off? Is finding the reason he fell off the minor detail? Did he reach to get the balloon, and fall?
Did he climb the tree before person 1? After? relevant?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 3:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did a branch break, and person 2 fall off? Yes
Is finding the reason he fell off the minor detail? Somewhat, but you've discovered it
Did he reach to get the balloon, and fall? Yes

Did he climb the tree before person 1? Yes
After? No
relevant? Sure, the missing piece

Good job of bringing us to a close on this one!
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 3:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

####SPOILER####

A new business was running a "Grand Opening" promotion by letting loose a balloon with a voucher attached awarding a prize to the person who found the balloon and returned the voucher to the business. Among the many people chasing the balloon, 3 people were ahead of all the others. One of them fell down an open manhole while looking skyward. The other 2 got to a tree where the balloon had come to rest. The first person to attempt to capture the prize fell out of the tree, but the next one to attempt it got the balloon and therefore won the prize.

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