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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because Frederica had been in a fight 8 months before her death, Detective Gatewood came to realize she had been murdered. Her murderer had no connection with the fight. How come????
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the murderer give Detective Gatewood an eyewitness account of an "accident" in which Frederica supposedly sustained injuries leading to her death, when in fact the Detective knew that those injuries were from the fight 8 months earlier?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 10:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 07:42 pm:

Did the murderer give Detective Gatewood an eyewitness account of an "accident" in which Frederica supposedly sustained injuries leading to her death, when in fact the Detective knew that those injuries were from the fight 8 months earlier? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 9:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Frederica was murdered, correct? Are Frederica and Detective Gatewood two different people?
Was she: stabbed? shot? drowned? crushed? burned? infected with a disease? blown up? aborted? suffocated? decapitated? dismembered? electrocuted? eaten? poisoned? starved? frozen?
relevant how she was murdered?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 11:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 09:10 pm:

Frederica was murdered, correct? yes Are Frederica and Detective Gatewood two different people? yes. Otherwise, F. would have to realize she herself had been murdered!!
Was she: stabbed? shot? drowned? crushed? burned? infected with a disease? blown up? aborted? suffocated? decapitated? dismembered? electrocuted? eaten? poisoned? starved? frozen? Yes to poisoned; no to all others
relevant how she was murdered? yes

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SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she still have injuries from her fight?
is it relevant how these injuries were made?
Is she missing any limbs or organs as a result of the fight?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the fight a public event? such as a boxing match? did many people see it? did Det. Gatewood see it?
Relevant what poison was used?
Relevant how it was given to her?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 6:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By SmarterBrother (Mycroft) on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:30 am:

Does she still have injuries from her fight? possibly
is it relevant how these injuries were made? yes
Is she missing any limbs or organs as a result of the fight? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:00 am:

Was the fight a public event? see next answer but one such as a boxing match? see next answer did many people see it? It wasn't a planned or sporting event such as a boxing match, but it occurred in a public place & people saw it did Det. Gatewood see it? yes
Relevant what poison was used? yes
Relevant how it was given to her? yesish
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 6:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the poison: acid? carbon monoxide? cyanide? arsenic? lead? mercury? venom? formaldehyde? strychnine? hemlock? nightshade?
another corrosive substance? another metabolic poison? another neurotoxin?
Was it injected? ingested? inhaled? absorbed through the skin?
Frederica: human? adult? female?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 06:57 pm:

Was the poison: acid? carbon monoxide? cyanide? arsenic? lead? mercury? venom? formaldehyde? strychnine? hemlock? nightshade?none of those
another corrosive substance? another metabolic poison? another neurotoxin? Oooops--I haven't had chemistry since high school & I wasn't much good at it then. But I looked up the poison by name on the Web & it's classified as a heavy metal. I THINK it's a metabolic poison but am unsure
Was it injected? no ingested? no| inhaled? no absorbed through the skin? yes
Frederica: human? yesadult? yes female? yes
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 9:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thallium? beryllium? antimony? barium? cadmium? chromium? uranium?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

or a compound of one of the above? (if so which?)
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 09:19 pm:

thallium? yes beryllium? noantimony? no barium? no cadmium? no chromium? no uranium? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 09:33 pm:

or a compound of one of the above? no(if so which?)

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John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hair loss relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:08 pm:

Hair loss relevant? yes
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 4:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Frederica get some hair ripped out the day of the fight?
If so, did the murderer know how she'd lost her hair?
Did she start losing more hair gradually between the time of the fight and the day of her death?
Does Frederica get into fights on a regular basis?
Did the murderer know Frederica had been in a fight?
Was her cause of death supposed to look natural? As if she'd been doing nothing but eating Mr. Pibb and Ramen noodles for months on end? (Yes, if that's all you eat, you WILL lose your hair and die from malnutrition)
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Detective Gatewood: male or female?
Was Det. Gatewood officially investigating Frederica's death?
Did D.G. observe that F. had lost her hair, and conclude that she had died from thallium poisoning?
Did D.G. conclude, from the fact that F. died of thallium poisoning, that she had been murdered? or was there other evidence?

If F. had not been in the fight 8 months before she died, would D.G. have been unable to:
observe that she lost her hair?
determine that she had died of thallium poisoning?
conclude from this that she had been murdered?

Did D.G. learn something about thallium as a result of the fight?
Was D.G. involved in the fight? involved in breaking it up?

Did F. start the fight? did she know the person/people she was fighting?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did D.G. learn something about F. at the time of the fight? or shortly after?
Was F. an animal rights activist?
Did F. wear a wig? at the time of the fight?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 04:55 am:

Did Frederica get some hair ripped out the day of the fight? yes
If so, did the murderer know how she'd lost her hair? irrel
Did she start losing more hair gradually between the time of the fight and the day of her death? possibly
Does Frederica get into fights on a regular basis? no
Did the murderer know Frederica had been in a fight? irrel
Was her cause of death supposed to look natural? yes As if she'd been doing nothing but eating Mr. Pibb and Ramen noodles for months on end? yes (Yes, if that's all you eat, you WILL lose your hair and die from malnutrition) What if all you eat is chocolate? At least you'll die happy!!
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:27 pm:

Detective Gatewood: male or female? irrel
Was Det. Gatewood officially investigating Frederica's death? yes
Did D.G. observe that F. had lost her hair, and conclude that she had died from thallium poisoning? yes
Did D.G. conclude, from the fact that F. died of thallium poisoning, that she had been murdered?see next answer or was there other evidence? yes

If F. had not been in the fight 8 months before she died, would D.G. have been unable to:
observe that she lost her hair? yes
determine that she had died of thallium poisoning? well, he would have needed some other reason to believe this
conclude from this that she had been murdered? hyes

Did D.G. learn something about thallium as a result of the fight?yope
Was D.G. involved in the fight? no involved in breaking it up? no

Did F. start the fight? irrel did she know the person/people she was fighting? ditto
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 1:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there any other visible physical evidence that F. had been poisoned? Just the hair loss?
Did the poisoning start before the fight? After?
Did F. cut her hair/wear her hair differently after the fight?

*points to Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:41 pm*
You missed a few.
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:41 pm:

Did D.G. learn something about F. at the time of the fight? yes or shortly after?yesish
Was F. an animal rights activist? irrel
Did F. wear a wig? at the time of the fight? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 01:00 am:

Was there any other visible physical evidence that F. had been poisoned?yope Just the hair loss? ditto
Did the poisoning start before the fight? yesAfter? no
Did F. cut her hair/wear her hair differently after the fight? irrel

*points to Monday, August 22, 2005 - 07:41 pm*
You missed a few. Rectified, with my apologies
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she already losing her hair due to the poisoning at the time of the fight?
Or was it pulled out more easily than might have been expected?
If so, was it at this time that D.G. noticed it? and only made the connection later, when she died?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 7:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she already losing her hair due to the poisoning at the time of the fight?
Or was it pulled out more easily than might have been expected?
If so, was it at this time that D.G. noticed it? and only made the connection later, when she died?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

sorry about that
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 07:17 pm:

Was she already losing her hair due to the poisoning at the time of the fight?
Or was it pulled out more easily than might have been expected?
If so, was it at this time that D.G. noticed it? and only made the connection later, when she died?

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 07:24 pm:

Was she already losing her hair due to the poisoning at the time of the fight? see next answer
Or was it pulled out more easily than might have been expected? yes
If so, was it at this time that D.G. noticed it? yes and only made the connection later, when she died? yes

Well, this was an easy one & I might as well declare a
**SPOILER***********************


When Frederica died of what seemed to be a nysterious illness, Det. Gatewood recalled seeing her in a fight in a bar, where someone pulled at her hair & it came out. Realizing it was not normal for hair to come out so easily, he suspected thallium poisoning. Some of you may recognize this scenario from the Agatha Chrisdie mystery, The Pale Horse.Sorry it was so easy, & please check out my new one at the bottom of the page

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