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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 01:37 am:

But that's a sub-category of anatomy or physiology... oh well. Is it? Then I sit corrected

Is she involved with lasik eye surgery? no

So... the pun involves...(literally)...
eyes? no
seeing? yope
let there be light? no
"I"? no
"I've got my eye on you"? no
"Here's lookin' at you, kid." no
"I can see clearly now..." (the rain is gone) no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 04:29 pm:

relevant when she says it? yes does she say it as she meets a new patient? not right upon meeting him sees a patient for the second or subsequent time? possibly does she say it before treatment? no during treatment? yes after treatment? yes

By Lynne (Lynne) on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 09:46 pm:

"I'll keep an eye out for you" no
"No eye dear" no, although I recall a homonyn for this pun from an old chatroom discussion. In fact, I think you took part
Tony (E20)
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the context in which she uses it, is she commenting on her patient's appearance? visual capability? financial situation?

In the context in which she uses it, is it perceived as being funny?
Would it be perceived as being funny by someone who did not know the original joke?

Does the punchline make reference to:
Glasses?
Spectacles?
Lenses?
Contacts?
Vision?
Sight?
Looking?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 12:54 pm:

In the context in which she uses it, is she commenting on her patient's appearance? no visual capability? yope financial situation? no

In the context in which she uses it, is it perceived as being funny? if & only if the patient knows the joke & recognizes the punch line
Would it be perceived as being funny by someone who did not know the original joke? no

Does the punchline make reference to:
Glasses? no
Spectacles? no
Lenses? no
Contacts? no
Vision? see next answer
Sight? yes
Looking? no
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does what she says refer to the patient's ability to see? inability to see? ability to see colours? ability to read? ability to read a sight chart?

is the patient performing some action as this is said? is she? is it said in response to something the patient says?
is it said to someone other than the patient? to another healthcare professional? to herself?

is it a question? a statement?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the pun come from...
A joke?
A song? "Now I've got you in my sight... with... these... Hungry Eyes."
Something political?
A movie?
A movement?
A play?
A comedian?
Other?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:01 pm:

Does the pun come from...
A joke? yes
A song? no"Now I've got you in my sight... with... these... Hungry Eyes."
Something political? no
A movie? no
A movement? no
A play? no
A comedian? no
Other? no
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the part of the joke/pun leading up to the punchline actually more relevant than the punchline itself?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't forget my questions Felicia Nimue :(
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 09:30 pm:

does what she says refer to the patient's ability to see? yes inability to see? yope ability to see colours? no ability to read? yes ability to read a sight chart? yes

is the patient performing some action as this is said? possibly is she? ditto is it said in response to something the patient says? no
is it said to someone other than the patient? no to another healthcare professional? to herself?

is it a question? yes a statement? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 11:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:16 pm:

Is the part of the joke/pun leading up to the punchline actually more relevant than the punchline itself? no

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:27 pm:

Don't forget my questions Felicia Nimue Rectified, with my apologies :O:O:O:O
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 12:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the joke anything to do with reading the small print? reading between the lines? spelling?
Is the joke a one-liner?
Does the pun involve words that are spelled the same? spelled differently? pronounced the same? pronounced differently? red/read? see/sea?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 8:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 12:37 pm:

Is the joke anything to do with reading the small print? no reading between the lines? no spelling?
Is the joke a one-liner? no
Does the pun involve words that are spelled the same? no spelled differently? yes pronounced the same? no pronounced differently? yesish--but the pronunciations are similar that mistaking one for the other isn't out of the question red/read? no see/sea? no
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 1:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

eyes vs. 'I's?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 2:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something along the lines of Doc, can I read now? Yes. Great! I couldn't read before?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 01:26 am:

eyes vs. 'I's? no

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 02:49 pm:

Something along the lines of Doc, can I read now? Yes. Great! I couldn't read before? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I seem to recall that I was posting the "What do you call a blind deer?" joke series in the chatroom some time back, FWIW.

Would it be something she says when dealing with a specific eye problem? A specific treatment? Or more just during a general exam? Anything about "which is better, this or this?" Dilation relevant? Glaucoma? Cataracts?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 08:33 pm:

I seem to recall that I was posting the "What do you call a blind deer?" joke series in the chatroom some time back, FWIW. What's FWIW??

Would it be something she says when dealing with a specific eye problem? yope A specific treatment? more likely a general exam Or more just during a general exam? yes Anything about "which is better, this or this?" no Dilation relevant? no Glaucoma? no Cataracts? no

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Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For What It's Worth

So during the part of the exam where vision is tested? Near vision? Distance vision? Either?

And this situation could apply to any eye dr.? Or any eye dr. who performs eye exams?

Is there any relevant apparatus involved? Just th usual opthamological/optometrical kind of stuff?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 10:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 07:18 pm:

For What It's Worth

So during the part of the exam where vision is tested? yes Near vision? possiblyDistance vision? possibly Either? yes

And this situation could apply to any eye dr.?some but not all Or any eye dr. who performs eye exams? ditto

Is there any relevant apparatus involved? no Just th usual opthamological/optometrical kind of stuff? yes
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Per the puzzle statement, the thing that causes her to utter the punchline while another optom./optham. wouldn't is her clientele?

Is it due to their age? Gender? Health? Location? Ethnicity? Religion? Primary language? Income/fundage? Country of origin? Citizenship? Education? Occupation? Sexual orientation? Size? Abledness (sorry, couldn't come up with a better word)?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 02:59 pm:

Per the puzzle statement, the thing that causes her to utter the punchline while another optom./optham. wouldn't is her clientele? yes

Is it due to their age? yesishGender? no Health?noish Location? no Ethnicity? yes Religion? noPrimary language? yesIncome/fundage? noCountry of origin? yopeCitizenship? no Education? no Occupation? no Sexual orientation? noSize? Abledness (sorry, couldn't come up with a better word)? no
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

they speak spanish? french? german? italian? english? russian? chinese? japanese? swahili? arabic?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are traditions relevant? Culture? Does she need to phrase something in a particular way to be curteous/avoid insult/affront? Is she speaking english to them?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 9:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 08:17 pm:

they speak spanish? french? german? italian? english? russian? chinese? japanese? swahili? arabic? They speak English & are Americans, but a particular ethnicity is relevant

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 08:27 pm:

Are traditions relevant? yesish Culture? ditto Does she need to phrase something in a particular way to be curteous/avoid insult/affront? no Is she speaking english to them? yes
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 3:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she phrase something differently to this clientele than she would if they had a different cultural background? Is it to avoid confusion?

Are they from an immigrant background? Native Americans?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 03:43 pm:

Does she phrase something differently to this clientele than she would if they had a different cultural background? no Is it to avoid confusion? n/a

Are they from an immigrant background? yes Native Americans? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Are they from Western Europe? Eastern Europe? Asia? Middle East? Africa? Pacific Islands? Australia? South America? Central America? Greenland? Antarctica? West Indies?

Is there a particular relevant historical event or series of events? A particular relevant historical culture?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the colour of the patients' skin relevant? the shape of their eyes? are genetic traits relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 06:52 pm:

Are they from Western Europe? possibly Eastern Europe? no Asia? no Middle East? no Africa? no Pacific Islands? no Australia? no South America? possibly Central America? possibly Greenland? no Antarctica? no West Indies? possibly

Is there a particular relevant historical event or series of events? no A particular relevant historical culture? yesish

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 07:14 pm:

is the colour of the patients' skin relevant? no the shape of their eyes? no are genetic traits relevant? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the pun involve more than one language? eg. see/sí?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they hispanic?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 08:38 pm:

Does the pun involve more than one language? Yes eg. see/sí? That's not it

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 09:23 pm:

are they hispanic? yes
Tony (E20)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 2:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In its original context (in the famous old joke) did the punchline rely on the pun? Or was it funny in its own right?

Does the famous old joke have any direct connection to eye doctors? the medical profession? hispanic people?

Was the original joke told in Spanish? American? English? another language?

For the pun to work, do you need some knowledge of both the English and Spanish languages?

In the context of the eye examination, if she were to say the line to a non-hispanic client (who had no knowledge of hispanic traditions or language), would it be taken as a normal thing for an eye-examiner to say?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Tony (E20) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 02:04 pm:

In its original context (in the famous old joke) did the punchline rely on the pun? yes Or was it funny in its own right? no

Does the famous old joke have any direct connection to eye doctors? no the medical profession? no hispanic people? yes

Was the original joke told in Spanish? no American? as opposed to English?? English? yesanother language? no

For the pun to work, do you need some knowledge of both the English yes and Spanish languages? the knowledge you need of Spanish is so minimal that few people lack it

In the context of the eye examination, if she were to say the line to a non-hispanic client (who had no knowledge of hispanic traditions or language), would it be taken as a normal thing for an eye-examiner to say? possibly
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

need to know: hola? si? no? como estas? buenos dias? buenas tardes? buenas noches? uno? dos? (etc with all numbers?)
Tony (E20)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it involve the a Spanish-sounding name of a person ( eg Jose, Garcia, Fernandez ...)?

Does it involve a place name (Barcelona, Madrid ...)?

Does it involve a Spanish title?
Senor?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 08:35 pm:

need to know: hola? si? no? como estas? buenos dias? buenas tardes? buenas noches? uno? dos? (etc with all numbers? npne of those

By Tony (E20) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 10:43 pm:

Does it involve the a Spanish-sounding name of a person ( eg Jose, Garcia, Fernandez ...)? Yes--& you got the name--Jose

Does it involve a place name (Barcelona, Madrid ...)? no

Does it involve a Spanish title? no
Senor? no
Tony (E20)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jose, can you see? (... by the dawn's early light?)
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Tony (E20) on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 12:28 am:

Jose, can you see? (... by the dawn's early light?) Yes!!

*********** SPOILER ***************
How many of you know the American joke about the boy named Jose, new to the USA, who went to his first major league baseball game.?By the time he got there, all the seats were taken, but the usher gave him a seat on top of the flagpole. Fluent in English but unfamiliar with the American national anthem,let alone with the custom of singing it before a baseball game begins, he thought that everyone had turned to him & asked,"Jose, can you see?"Thanks for sticking with it, everyone & for solving it, Tony, & please check out my new puzzle at the bottom of the page.
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In case it's not obvious, maybe I shoiuld have added that an eye doctor, optometrist or optician whose practice includes many Latinos will have many opportunities to ask, "Jose, can you see?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good puzzle!
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 5:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Lewis. Please check out my others!~!

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