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Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 01:13 am:

computers relevant? Yesish lasers relevant? No

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 02:26 pm:

The initials "CD"? No

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 04:03 pm:

material(s) the disc/ipod are fabricated from relevant? No

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 06:48 pm:

A set of samples included with a popular synthesizer? Nope
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The process of transferring music from cds to computers and vice versa? napster relevant?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 9:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 08:31 pm:

The process of transferring music from cds to computers and vice versa? napster relevant? No to both
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are computers relevant for storing music? for creating music? does it have to do with the format of the songs? mp3?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 08:29 pm:

are computers relevant for storing music? No for creating music? Yes, and... does it have to do with the format of the songs? Yes mp3? Probably this, but the file format isn't particularily relevant
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If it's not a patent, is it copyright? a trademark?
Is it something that only appears in digital music?
Is it something that can only legally be copyrighted/trademarked/whatever when it's in digital form?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 08:40 pm:

If it's not a patent, is it copyright? This a trademark?
Is it something that only appears in digital music? Yes
Is it something that can only legally be copyrighted/trademarked/whatever when it's in digital form? Yope
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A watermark?
Metadata?
DRM?
An artifact of digital-music-done-badly, such as hard clipping or a compression artifact?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 08:48 pm:

A watermark? ?
Metadata? ?
DRM? ? Sorry, but I'm not to up to date on digital music technology.... If I understand what these are however, no to all
An artifact of digital-music-done-badly, such as hard clipping or a compression artifact?No
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, is it anything to do with any particular digital music technology? or digital music technology in general?
Is the thing that he copyrighted:
Part of the music, which you would hear if you listen to it?
Part of the digital representation of the music, eg a sequence of numbers?
Part of the music file/disk that doesn't contain music, but eg. file names, track titles etc?
Something external to the medium, such as part of the ipod/computer/etc?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 2:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 09:24 pm:

Well, is it anything to do with any particular digital music technology? or digital music technology in general? This
Is the thing that he copyrighted:
Part of the music, which you would hear if you listen to it?
Part of the digital representation of the music, eg a sequence of numbers? This
Part of the music file/disk that doesn't contain music, but eg. file names, track titles etc?
Something external to the medium, such as part of the ipod/computer/etc?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 7:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a number?
Is it a sequence of numbers?
Is it specifically a sequence of bytes/bits/etc?
Does it have some special meaning outside the context of the music?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 6:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it some prefix, piece of code, command, etc. that is used to specify that the piece of data to follow is for sound reproduction, rather than for text or pictures? Thus, every note that is produced would be fair game for him to file claims on?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 07:07 am:

Is it a number? Yes
Is it a sequence of numbers?
Is it specifically a sequence of bytes/bits/etc? YES! Beware a small lurking FA...
Does it have some special meaning outside the context of the music? No

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 06:34 pm:

is it some prefix, piece of code, command, etc. that is used to specify that the piece of data to follow is for sound reproduction, rather than for text or pictures? No, but... Thus, every note that is produced would be fair game for him to file claims on? Yes
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 1:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it the number 1? 0? Have to do with binary numbers at all? Or is it number like 440, representing the mHz (I think it's mHz, but it could be something else) of the note "A"
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 01:22 pm:

Is it the number 1? 0? There are two numbers, a one and a zero Have to do with binary numbers at all? Yes Or is it number like 440, representing the mHz (I think it's mHz, but it could be something else) of the note "A" No

I think you've just about solved it. Care to sum up what happened?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 01:22 pm:

Is it the number 1? 0? There are two numbers... 1 and 0 Have to do with binary numbers at all? Or is it number like 440, representing the mHz (I think it's mHz, but it could be something else) of the note "A"

I think you've just about solved it. Care to sum it up?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oops... double posted....
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 9:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so is it the binary digit that represents a particular note? or is it all binary numbers? do we have to figure out why he holds the rights to the binary numbers? or just which ones in particular?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 11:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 09:27 pm:

so is it the binary digit that represents a particular note? or is it all binary numbers? This do we have to figure out why he holds the rights to the binary numbers? Actually, yes, come to think of it... or just which ones in particular?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 1:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does it have to do with his birthday? did he create the binary system? was he the one who realized that music could be encoded in binary code? (or did it first?)
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 1:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

can he claim royalties as a descendant of the "inventor" of the use of binary code in computer software?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 01:25 am:

does it have to do with his birthday? did he create the binary system? was he the one who realized that music could be encoded in binary code? (or did it first?) Good ideas, but no to all

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 01:58 am:

can he claim royalties as a descendant of the "inventor" of the use of binary code in computer software? Nope
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the idea that they are part of something that he owns the rights to? such as another piece of music?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 08:47 pm:

Is the idea that they are part of something that he owns the rights to? such as another piece of music? YES!
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he creates a piece of music and records it digitally. Then he claims to own the rights to all the parts of this recording, right down to the individual binary digits?
Is there any particular reason why he thinks he (rather than anyone else) would be entitled to do this? Was he the first person to record digital music?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 10:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 08:52 pm:

So he creates a piece of music and records it digitally. Then he claims to own the rights to all the parts of this recording, right down to the individual binary digits? Close
Is there any particular reason why he thinks he (rather than anyone else) would be entitled to do this? Not really Was he the first person to record digital music? No
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do we have to figure out which song it was?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 1:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:03 pm:

do we have to figure out which song it was? Yope... Lurking FA still...
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 3:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it actually a song?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Since he claims rights to a portion of code that is in each digital construct that the device reconstructs as a sound, is the reproduction itself what he is claiming rights to? What i'm thinking about is along the same lines as the broadcast of professional sporting events, etc., where you hear the disclaimer that all portions of the program are the property/trademark/etc. of _____, and may not be copied, reproduced, retransmitted, etc... without written permisson...

<deep breath>

whew! Is this a similar situation?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 03:40 am:

is it actually a song? Noish

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 06:56 pm:

Since he claims rights to a portion of code that is in each digital construct that the device reconstructs as a sound, is the reproduction itself what he is claiming rights to? What i'm thinking about is along the same lines as the broadcast of professional sporting events, etc., where you hear the disclaimer that all portions of the program are the property/trademark/etc. of _____, and may not be copied, reproduced, retransmitted, etc... without written permisson...

<deep breath>

whew! Is this a similar situation? Interesting thought, but unfortunately not.
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a program? A document? A video? An image? A recorded poem or other talking?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he claim (legitimately? illegitimately? relevant?) the rights to a digital representation of a song, then to the digital code itself, using that as legal precedent to make any song that has been translated to that format (i.e. contains the same code characters/format, etc.) fair game under his claim? Then, any transmission, reproduction, .... is legally his?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 02:19 pm:

Is it a program? A document? A video? An image? A recorded poem or other talking? All no...

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 09:05 pm:

Does he claim (legitimately? Depends on your point of view, but probably this illegitimately? relevant?Somewhat) the rights to a digital representation of a song, Yesish then to the digital code itself, Yes using that as legal precedent to make any song that has been translated to that format (i.e. contains the same code characters/format, etc.) fair game under his claim? Yesish Then, any transmission, reproduction, .... is legally his? Yesish.
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it more than one song? a whole cd? relevant which?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 09:39 pm:

is it more than one song? Two 'songs,' actually a whole cd? relevant which? It is relevant what the 'songs' are...
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they just single notes? the one created by a "0" and the one created by a "1"?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 09:48 pm:

are they just single notes? the one created by a "0" and the one created by a "1"? Close enough.... it actually takes eight digits to form a note, or some number like that, but....

*****SPOILER*****


It would certainly make prices soar....

This comes from a FoxTrot comic strip published in the book Orlando Bloom has Ruined Everything. I can't post the strip here due to copyright stuff, but it goes something like this:

Andy: "What are you doing?"
Jason: "Composing digital music."

Jason: "This first song I call "Zero." This second one I call "One." Naturally, I'll hold the copyrights to both."

Jason: "Now anytime the record industry releases a CD, It'll constitute several billion instances of music piracy and I can sue them for trillions!"

Andy: "Remind me to keep you out of law school."
Jason: "Ah, to live in America."

Naturally, if Jason succeeded at sueing the record companies for trillions every time they released a CD, the price of each CD would soar...

Good work everyone who helped with this puzzle!

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