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Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 1:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Title is irrelevant

Over the duration of 2005, Norbert has purchased a particular beverage on a regular basis. He notes near the end of the year that he only ever bought two at a time, and only ever on Sundays and Thursdays. What was the beverage, and what was the rationale behind his spending habits?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 1:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Coffee? Pop? Juice? Smoothee? Slushee?

So he bought it at least one every week for every season? Spring, summer, fall, winter?
And for every month?

Did he buy it early in the morning? Later at night? During the afternoon? At another time?

Was it bought hot? cold? luke-warm? Frozen?

A drink common to North America? A drink one of us might have come across? Something exotic?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 6:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Vae (Vaetrus) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 01:54 am:

Coffee? Pop? Juice? Smoothee? Slushee? No to all

So he bought it at least one every week for every season? no Spring, summer, fall, winter? all seasons, but not every week
And for every month? no

Did he buy it early in the morning? Later at night? at night During the afternoon? At another time?

Was it bought hot? cold? cold luke-warm? Frozen?

A drink common to North America? yes A drink one of us might have come across? yes Something exotic? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 6:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it an alcoholic beverage?
Is it a caffeinated beverage?
Does he buy it in order to drink it himself?
Does anyone else drink it? if so, how many? (insert ltpflpi)
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 7:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:40 am:

Is it an alcoholic beverage? no
Is it a caffeinated beverage? yes
Does he buy it in order to drink it himself? yes
Does anyone else drink it? if so, how many? (insert ltpflpi) no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 7:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

tea? cola?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

for medicinal purposes ?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

anybody else involved ?
did he drink it or use it for some other purpose ?
did he give the drink away ?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he consume it himself ?
anybody else involved ?
did somebody else have the drink ?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bought at a local coffee shop? A local corner store? A convience store? A 7-11 or gas station store?

So he bought it every other week? Every three week? Or was it sporadic buying that follows no schedule? Relevant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 2:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he travel on sundays and thursdays? or on mondays and fridays?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 4:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 07:34 am:

tea? cola? Neither

By Kapil Kapur (Dinkie) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:10 pm:

for medicinal purposes ? no

By Kapil Kapur (Dinkie) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:12 pm:

anybody else involved ? no
did he drink it or use it for some other purpose ? he drunk it
did he give the drink away ? no

By Kapil Kapur (Dinkie) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:14 pm:

did he consume it himself ? yes
anybody else involved ? no
did somebody else have the drink ? no

By Vae (Vaetrus) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:56 pm:

Bought at a local coffee shop? A local corner store? A convience store? A 7-11 or gas station store? A gas station store, but this puzzle could work with any of the above

So he bought it every other week? Every three week? Or was it sporadic buying that follows no schedule? sporadic Relevant? yes

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 02:23 pm:

did he travel on sundays and thursdays? or on mondays and fridays? neither
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 5:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he only buy it when he stopped to buy something else anyway?

Was he delivering something to the store on Sundays and Thursdays? picking something up, but not purchasing it ? (was he the garbage man?)
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 7:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he always buy it on Sundays for the same reason?
Did he always buy it on Thursdays for the same reason?
Was his reason for buying it on Sundays the same as his reason for buying it on Thursdays?
Valiko Mizandari (Mimino)
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 10:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he drink the beverages immediately after buying? still in the shop? one of them? both of them?

Did he buy the beverages in an open container (like a cup or a glass)? or in a closed container? (bottle? can?)

Is it a hot beverage? Some variety of coffee: cappuccino? latte macchiato? espresso?
does it contain alcohol?

Did he buy the drink on Sundays only of he bought it on the Thursday before? Did he buy it on Thursdays only if he bought it on the Sunday before?

Is the drink only sold in this particular job?
Would he have a chance to buy this drink on other days as well?

Was he always at work when he bought the drink? on the way to work? on the way back home?

And just to check:
Thursday night means the night from Thursday to Friday?
Sunday night means the night from Sunday to Monday?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 11:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 05:23 am:

Did he only buy it when he stopped to buy something else anyway? no

Was he delivering something to the store on Sundays and Thursdays? picking something up, but not purchasing it ? (was he the garbage man?) no to all

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 07:06 am:

Did he always buy it on Sundays for the same reason?
Did he always buy it on Thursdays for the same reason?
Was his reason for buying it on Sundays the same as his reason for buying it on Thursdays? yes to all questions

By Valiko Mizandari (Mimino) on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 10:15 am:

Did he drink the beverages immediately after buying? yope still in the shop? no one of them? yes both of them? no

Did he buy the beverages in an open container (like a cup or a glass)? or in a closed container? (bottle? can?) closed container

Is it a hot beverage? Some variety of coffee: cappuccino? latte macchiato? espresso?
does it contain alcohol? No to all

Did he buy the drink on Sundays only of he bought it on the Thursday before? Did he buy it on Thursdays only if he bought it on the Sunday before? no to both

Is the drink only sold in this particular job? no
Would he have a chance to buy this drink on other days as well? certainly, yes

Was he always at work when he bought the drink? on the way to work? on the way back home? no to all

And just to check:
Thursday night means the night from Thursday to Friday? correct - e.g. Thursday, 27 Oct, 10:00pm
Sunday night means the night from Sunday to Monday? correct, as above
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he opt for this drink because he likes the taste of it? He likes the fact that it contains caffeine?
According to the puzzle, he buys two of these drinks at a time?
Are his activities prior to buying the drinks relevant? What about his activities after the purchases?
Typically when he buys a drink(s), is his next action to exit the store(s) and get into his vehicle? Or maybe to exit the store and walk somewhere? Or maybe to sit/stand somewhere in the same building in which he buys the drinks?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 03:27 pm:

Does he opt for this drink because he likes the taste of it? no He likes the fact that it contains caffeine? yes
According to the puzzle, he buys two of these drinks at a time? yes
Are his activities prior to buying the drinks relevant? no What about his activities after the purchases? yes
Typically when he buys a drink(s), is his next action to exit the store(s) and get into his vehicle? see below Or maybe to exit the store and walk somewhere? for the purposes of the puzzle, this is correct, although the first option would work also Or maybe to sit/stand somewhere in the same building in which he buys the drinks? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 3:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the drink one of those nasty-tasting "energy drinks"?

Does his work schedule have any relevance to the puzzle?

Does what he does on Mondays and Fridays have any relevance? What he does on Sundays and Thursdays besides buying the drinks?

Does he do something on Sunday and Thursday nights that requires him to be up late? to stay up all night?

He drinks one immediately. Does he drink the other one within half an hour? within one hour? two hours? three hours? four hours? six hours? eight hours? twelve hours? twenty-four hours?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 11:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 03:17 am:

Is the drink one of those nasty-tasting "energy drinks"? YES

Does his work schedule have any relevance to the puzzle? yope

Does what he does on Mondays and Fridays have any relevance? YES What he does on Sundays and Thursdays besides buying the drinks? no

Does he do something on Sunday and Thursday nights that requires him to be up late? YES to stay up all night? YES, if necessary

He drinks one immediately. Does he drink the other one within half an hour? within one hour? two hours? three hours? generally around 3 hours later four hours? six hours? eight hours? twelve hours? twenty-four hours?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah, some progress. Not a lot, but beggars can't be choosers

His work schedule: does he work night shift on Thursday/Friday and Sunday/Monday?

Does he work 10 hour shifts those days? 12-hour shifts?

Is he on-call some Thursday and Sunday nights?

Does he work a second, part-time job on either Thursday & Sunday or Monday & Friday, and a full-time job Monday-Friday? So that his work day is twice as long those two days, and he needs the energy drink to keep going?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 11:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 06:32 pm:

Ah, some progress. Not a lot, but beggars can't be choosers

His work schedule: does he work night shift on Thursday/Friday and Sunday/Monday? Hmm. FA

Does he work 10 hour shifts those days? 12-hour shifts? see above

Is he on-call some Thursday and Sunday nights? no

Does he work a second, part-time job on either Thursday & Sunday or Monday & Friday, and a full-time job Monday-Friday? no So that his work day is twice as long those two days, and he needs the energy drink to keep going? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 4:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His work schedule is yope-ishly relevant. Let's try to resolve that yope...

Is what's relevant to the puzzle the days he works? the hours he works? the shift he works? how long his workweek is? how much overtime he works? when he works overtime?

or is it the days that he doesn't work that are relevant?

Is what he does on Mondays and Fridays related to his work?

Are Monday and Fridays his days off?

Is what his work is relevant? would it be helpful to determine?

He was neither at work, on the way to work or on the way home from work when he bought the drinks. Was he on a break from work? (this is based on the assumption that "at work" meant that he worked at the gas station store where he bought the drinks...)
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 4:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 04:07 am:

His work schedule is yope-ishly relevant. Let's try to resolve that yope... What a splendid idea

Is what's relevant to the puzzle the days he works? yes, so to speak the hours he works? the shift he works? how long his workweek is? how much overtime he works? when he works overtime? no to the rest

or is it the days that he doesn't work that are relevant? no

Is what he does on Mondays and Fridays related to his work? yes... so to speak

Are Monday and Fridays his days off? no

Is what his work is relevant? YES would it be helpful to determine? very

He was neither at work, on the way to work or on the way home from work when he bought the drinks. correct Was he on a break from work? (this is based on the assumption that "at work" meant that he worked at the gas station store where he bought the drinks...) incorrect
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 5:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His work schedule is yope-ishly relevant. Let's try to resolve that yope... What a splendid idea

Your approval means the world to me.


Let's start with what his work is, then...

clerical / office?
manual labor? if yes, skilled trade or unskilled?
professional? (doctor, lawyer, accountant, architect, engineer, that sort of thing?)
medical?
sales?
retail?
wholesale?
food service?
creative (artist? musician? author / writer?)
computer dude? (IT, sysadmin, tech wizard, helpline?)
transportation-related? (bus driver, cabbie, chauffeur, train conductor, pilot?)
financial? (banker, money manager, stockbroker?)

And now I will hope that you aren't being exceedingly devious with your reply that the days he works are "so to speak" relevant, and will apply my sledgehammer...
Does he work Monday?
Tuesday?
Wednesday?
Thursday?
Friday?
Saturday?
Sunday?

Did you know that "day" is one of those words that starts to look rather odd when you type it a number of times in quick succession?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 7:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's start with what his work is, then... An excellent notion

clerical / office?
manual labor? if yes, skilled trade or unskilled?
professional? (doctor, lawyer, accountant, architect, engineer, that sort of thing?)
medical?
sales?
retail?
wholesale?
food service?
creative (artist? musician? author / writer?)
computer dude? (IT, sysadmin, tech wizard, helpline?)
transportation-related? (bus driver, cabbie, chauffeur, train conductor, pilot?)
financial? (banker, money manager, stockbroker?)

You're going to love this. None of the above.

And now I will hope that you aren't being exceedingly devious with your reply that the days he works are "so to speak" relevant, and will apply my sledgehammer...
Does he work Monday?
Tuesday?
Wednesday?
Thursday?
Friday?
Saturday?
Sunday? We-ell... so to speak, he works every day

Did you know that "day" is one of those words that starts to look rather odd when you type it a number of times in quick succession? day day day day day day day... By Jove, you're right. Thank you for saving me from what could've been a most awkward experience. Or something.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 7:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're going to love this. None of the above. Hmm. Can't really say as I'm surprised...
entertainment?
politics?
sports?
service industry?
day trading?
selling stuff on e-Bay?
child-care?
agriculture?
multi-level marketing?
TV critic?

If I still haven't gotten it: is he blue collar? white collar?
Does he work from home? or does he leave his home to go someplace else to work?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Right. This needs a kickstart.

Does he work no
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is he married? does his wife work? is he a stay at home dad some days of the week? and needs energy to watch their newborn child late into the night?
Vesica (Vesica)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 3:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So...he does not work?
At all?
Or rather not in a traditional way?

Is he human? (I would assume, but you know about assumptions...)

Are any family members relevant here?

Is he doing some sort of volunteer position?

Is he "on duty" Sunday and Thursday nights?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he a student?
a die-hard gamer? and the gaming sessions start on Sunday and Thursday evenings, and often run all night?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 12:31 pm:

is he married? no does his wife work? FA :P is he a stay at home dad some days of the week? and needs energy to watch their newborn child late into the night? no

By Vesica (Vesica) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 03:14 pm:

So...he does not work? no
At all? well, we could get philosophical, but he doesn't do any sort of paid labour
Or rather not in a traditional way? no

Is he human? (I would assume, but you know about assumptions...) I miss the days when, regardless of the puzzle statement, someone would post a prefabricated reply within 2 minutes saying 'all he's the same? all he's human?'. He's human

Are any family members relevant here? no

Is he doing some sort of volunteer position? no

Is he "on duty" Sunday and Thursday nights? no

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 06:41 pm:

Is he a student? YES
a die-hard gamer? and the gaming sessions start on Sunday and Thursday evenings, and often run all night? No... but you're verily on the right track.
Vesica (Vesica)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he have class Monday and Friday?
Assignments due?

Does he DJ on the campus station?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He has a girlfriend? She works? Relevant?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He has his killer classes on Mondays and Fridays, so he expects to be up all night studying? Does he put off his assignments and has to pull all-nighters on Sundays and Thursdays to finish?

Study groups relevant?

Is his field of study relevant? if so? theatre? music? (rehearsals?)
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 12:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Rabrab & Vesica:

Does he put off his assignments and has to pull all-nighters on Sundays and Thursdays to finish? YES!

********** SPOILER **********

Norbert is a university student with a penchant for procrastination. He always does his assignments the night before they are due. These dates are invariably either at the beginning or the end of the academic week. He always buys 2 bottles of energy drink, as it requires that amount of caffeine to keep him awake for long enough.


Well done, and thank you for playing. The prize for spoiling will be two bottles of V black, which should arrive via e-mail on either Sunday or Thursday night.
Vesica (Vesica)
Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 12:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice one!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 3:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tricksy Wiz, trying to slip so obvious a solution past us.

Good one! and I anticipate my virtual V black eagerly. Whatever V black is...
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 3:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice puzzle - reminds me of my college experience. I always worked better under pressure, so I'd wait until the last minute to work on big projects and usually end up getting either a high B or an A for a grade (this bugged a lot of people I knew, who started working on projects as soon as they got the assignment).

"Hard work pays off in the future, but laziness pays off now."

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